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May 31, 2013, 03:12:53 AM
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I hope Namecoin gets implemented into the stratum. It's still profitable to merge-mine NMC, and brings an incentive to gain more users(as well as keep some of the more seasoned miners who can help us nab more blocks.)

It looks like they are finally starting to develop NMC too.  PLEASE add it to stratum!
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May 31, 2013, 07:34:19 AM
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So I guess the last problematic blocks will not be fixed in terms of rewards? Why there's no comment about these?


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May 31, 2013, 07:40:26 AM
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I hope Namecoin gets implemented into the stratum. It's still profitable to merge-mine NMC, and brings an incentive to gain more users(as well as keep some of the more seasoned miners who can help us nab more blocks.)

It looks like they are finally starting to develop NMC too.  PLEASE add it to stratum!

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May 31, 2013, 08:26:15 AM
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So I guess the last problematic blocks will not be fixed in terms of rewards? Why there's no comment about these?



Shares are off. I guess it was an error on your side or stratum error... Only calculation errors are commented since it happens to all of miners. This was probebly just you... Did you double your hashpower or was that another error?
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May 31, 2013, 08:33:48 AM
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Namecoins are not supported here. The ones we get are just a bonus due to the want things are set up. (paraphrased)

Bonus = Supported... (Not sure who told you they were not supported. I earn them here and get them delivered just fine.)

I understand that... But why NOT submit all the valid chances? That is an extra $40 a month I am loosing-out on, with my 4GHs machine here. Instead, I am getting $4, where on other servers I am getting $40. All you do is submit/check the shares from bitcoins that are returned. It doesn't take any extra "work" to submit/forward that to the namecoin wallet.

Just because it isn't setup correctly. BTCguild is the same issue... improper setup, thus, they "think" it isn't worth it... Yes it isn't worth it, if it isn't setup right. (I would submit the shares myself, if I could, but that would just submit MY valids, to the whole wallet... not all of our valids.)
Only getwork is getting NMC. And it is 2% of the pool. And when a block is found all miners with address gets part of that. That is why. If you would like to get altcons I would suggest Bitparking... You can mine 4 coins...

On BitMinter work with stratum too, i'm rewarded with 0.01BTC and 0.13 NMC for the same shares.

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May 31, 2013, 08:39:19 AM
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On BitMinter work with stratum too, i'm rewarded with 0.01BTC and 0.13 NMC for the same shares.

**EDIT 0.103 NMC**
I'm not saying that it can't work. I'm saying that it is not implemented since Slush thinks that NMC is dead.
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May 31, 2013, 09:07:13 AM
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So I guess the last problematic blocks will not be fixed in terms of rewards? Why there's no comment about these?

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Shares are off. I guess it was an error on your side or stratum error... Only calculation errors are commented since it happens to all of miners. This was probebly just you... Did you double your hashpower or was that another error?

Hash is still the same. I had approx 10mins offline due to internet connectivity issues.
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May 31, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
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So I guess the last problematic blocks will not be fixed in terms of rewards? Why there's no comment about these?

...snip....

Shares are off. I guess it was an error on your side or stratum error... Only calculation errors are commented since it happens to all of miners. This was probebly just you... Did you double your hashpower or was that another error?

Hash is still the same. I had approx 10mins offline due to internet connectivity issues.

OK so that is what happens to block 18290. It looks like you were mining only first 3 minutes of that block. So this is normal. But I don't get it why you got double from block 18291 since you didn't increase hashes... Did you change anything? The only thing I can think of that could be is a difficulty error in a score system and you change it from 2 to 1. But I guess someone would report that already... Looks really strange...
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May 31, 2013, 09:25:02 AM
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OK so that is what happens to block 18290. It looks like you were mining only first 3 minutes of that block. So this is normal. But I don't get it why you got double from block 18291 since you didn't increase hashes... Did you change anything? The only thing I can think of that could be is a difficulty error in a score system and you change it from 2 to 1. But I guess someone would report that already... Looks really strange...

I haven't changed anything. so it's kind of confusing. Also, I'm on difficulty 6

Losing most of my reward for a short disconnect seems to be very unfair in my opinion. I would really appreciate if slush would explain what happened.
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May 31, 2013, 10:10:30 AM
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Losing most of my reward for a short disconnect seems to be very unfair in my opinion.

I thought this is the way slush's worked?  If you have a dodgy internet connection, maybe a plain PPS pool would be better for you?
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May 31, 2013, 10:30:41 AM
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OK so that is what happens to block 18290. It looks like you were mining only first 3 minutes of that block. So this is normal. But I don't get it why you got double from block 18291 since you didn't increase hashes... Did you change anything? The only thing I can think of that could be is a difficulty error in a score system and you change it from 2 to 1. But I guess someone would report that already... Looks really strange...

I haven't changed anything. so it's kind of confusing. Also, I'm on difficulty 6

Losing most of my reward for a short disconnect seems to be very unfair in my opinion. I would really appreciate if slush would explain what happened.

This is the way the scoring method works in order to prevent pool hopping. As the round goes on, shares from earlier in the round have less and less value until they are worth absolutely nothing, so if you only work for the beginning of the round and then disconnect, it is possible to get 0 reward even though you have submitted shares.

Read up on the "Slush method" of scoring for more detail
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May 31, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
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OK so that is what happens to block 18290. It looks like you were mining only first 3 minutes of that block. So this is normal. But I don't get it why you got double from block 18291 since you didn't increase hashes... Did you change anything? The only thing I can think of that could be is a difficulty error in a score system and you change it from 2 to 1. But I guess someone would report that already... Looks really strange...

I haven't changed anything. so it's kind of confusing. Also, I'm on difficulty 6

Losing most of my reward for a short disconnect seems to be very unfair in my opinion. I would really appreciate if slush would explain what happened.

This is the way the scoring method works in order to prevent pool hopping. As the round goes on, shares from earlier in the round have less and less value until they are worth absolutely nothing, so if you only work for the beginning of the round and then disconnect, it is possible to get 0 reward even though you have submitted shares.

Read up on the "Slush method" of scoring for more detail
This is not a little unfair?
Why is bad when the worker recvive the reward what they shared has? I mean the block value is 25 BTC and we have total X shares, and when u have Y shared then u become this reward. ((25/X)*Y)
Why is that bad?
Please anyone explain me the score based pay system, i dont understand why is that good for all?!
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May 31, 2013, 11:13:40 AM
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Hi, sure i'am using slush pool.  Wink

I have an Radeon 5870 card using with Phoenix 2.0 client, so this client is not stratum compatible, but no prob, as described on slush internet site, i can use proxy miner.

Proxy Miner ist accepting shares..but in my account settings on http://mining.bitcoin.cz/  there is still the warning message about deprecated protocol and in list of worker -> stratum -> no


What's wrong ?


EDIT: STATS updated for STRATUM... working fine now  Smiley
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May 31, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
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is there a problem with the worker stats?
i am submitting my share over mining_proxy --tor
i submitted last share 15minutes ago
workerstats says >14hours

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May 31, 2013, 11:38:56 AM
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Hi, sure i'am using slush pool.  Wink

I have an Radeon 5870 card using with Phoenix 2.0 client, so this client is not stratum compatible, but no prob, as described on slush internet site, i can use proxy miner.

Proxy Miner ist accepting shares..but in my account settings on http://mining.bitcoin.cz/  there is still the warning message about deprecated protocol and in list of worker -> stratum -> no


What's wrong ?

I'm not sure what's happening with your proxy, but you might want to try cgminer or bfgminer instead (then you don't need to run a proxy).

Here's a quick guide for bfgminer and cgminer: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1cfk7y/beginners_guide_dont_use_guiminer_please_upvote/

If that's too complex, I've heard good things about the bitminter web-based mining software.
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May 31, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
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is there a problem with the worker stats?
i am submitting my share over mining_proxy --tor
i submitted last share 15minutes ago
workerstats says >14hours


Update is a little slow @ the moment... just wait
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May 31, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
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Hi, sure i'am using slush pool.  Wink

I have an Radeon 5870 card using with Phoenix 2.0 client, so this client is not stratum compatible, but no prob, as described on slush internet site, i can use proxy miner.

Proxy Miner ist accepting shares..but in my account settings on http://mining.bitcoin.cz/  there is still the warning message about deprecated protocol and in list of worker -> stratum -> no


What's wrong ?

I'm not sure what's happening with your proxy, but you might want to try cgminer or bfgminer instead (then you don't need to run a proxy).

Here's a quick guide for bfgminer and cgminer: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1cfk7y/beginners_guide_dont_use_guiminer_please_upvote/

If that's too complex, I've heard good things about the bitminter web-based mining software.
It takes sometime (or next round) for that info to get updated on the webpage, don't worry

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May 31, 2013, 11:43:36 AM
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OK so that is what happens to block 18290. It looks like you were mining only first 3 minutes of that block. So this is normal. But I don't get it why you got double from block 18291 since you didn't increase hashes... Did you change anything? The only thing I can think of that could be is a difficulty error in a score system and you change it from 2 to 1. But I guess someone would report that already... Looks really strange...

I haven't changed anything. so it's kind of confusing. Also, I'm on difficulty 6

Losing most of my reward for a short disconnect seems to be very unfair in my opinion. I would really appreciate if slush would explain what happened.

This is the way the scoring method works in order to prevent pool hopping. As the round goes on, shares from earlier in the round have less and less value until they are worth absolutely nothing, so if you only work for the beginning of the round and then disconnect, it is possible to get 0 reward even though you have submitted shares.

Read up on the "Slush method" of scoring for more detail
This is not a little unfair?
Why is bad when the worker recvive the reward what they shared has? I mean the block value is 25 BTC and we have total X shares, and when u have Y shared then u become this reward. ((25/X)*Y)
Why is that bad?
Please anyone explain me the score based pay system, i dont understand why is that good for all?!

Because it has been mathematically proven that to improve personal gain (in cost of everyone else in the pool), you should hop into another pool when pool's CDF is around 43.5%
This is why theres this score system (also pplns, dgm, etc...)

you can read more from: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/poolcheating.pdf
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It means that with optimal strategy it is possible to
gain on average 28% of ones hashrate by switching from the pool after 43.5%
of the current difficulty number of shares have been contributed.

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May 31, 2013, 11:57:35 AM
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That is completely understandable, but I think it's not balanced or well designed if 10 minutes downtime due to connection problem causes 50+% loss on the actual rewards.  :O
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May 31, 2013, 12:58:05 PM
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Because it has been mathematically proven that to improve personal gain (in cost of everyone else in the pool), you should hop into another pool when pool's CDF is around 43.5%
This is why theres this score system (also pplns, dgm, etc...)

you can read more from: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/poolcheating.pdf
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It means that with optimal strategy it is possible to
gain on average 28% of ones hashrate by switching from the pool after 43.5%
of the current difficulty number of shares have been contributed.

Thank you for the PDF, but this is for me mathematically too high Smiley
For example:
The round duration is 1:00:00 and the CDF is 50%, i have 500 share soon. When i disconnect from the pool, and the pool work continue, then my shares value would every time less.
with 30% CDF (10k total shares) i earn (with simple method) 0,00125BTC. But we dont have now a block. The pool work continue for half hour. Then the CDF is 45% and the total shares is 15k, then my shares value is now only 0.000833. While the duration would more and more, my shares would every time less.
Sorry for my bad English, its possible that i write wrong many thing, i write here with numbers:

#1
Block Duration: 1:00:00
CDF: 30%
Total Shares: 10'000'000
My shares: 500
My estimated reward: 0.00125BTC

#2
I disconnect at this time with 500 shares.

#3
Block Duration: 1:30:00
CDF: 45%
Total Shares: 15'000'000
My shares: 500
My estimated reward: 0.000833BTC

#4
Block Duration: 2:00:00
CDF: 55%
Total Shares: 20'000'000
My shares: 500
My estimated reward: 0.000625BTC

#5
Block found! 25BTC
Block Duration was: 2:30:00
Total Shares was: 25'000'000
My Shares was: 500
My reward is: 0.0005BTC

Why is that method bad? I become the reward what i worked for the block^^

And what its whit these block?
18284    2013-05-30 09:23:24    5:14:27    48529423    764    0.00000027    none    238658    25.41754350    confirmed
I has
         764
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     48529423
split worked for the block, and im quasi not rewarded    though that i have the whole block duration worked?
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