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August 20, 2014, 02:25:04 AM
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Someone has suggested DI sold out of his qrk position and has been trying to buy back in as low as possible, hence driving away core members etc.

If DI holds a large amount of QRK then he must be motivated to see qrk succeed.  I have no idea why he would want the core members like qrkfx, coinmama and vic to leave or why he talks to them like he does.

Let's see, i mean it seems impossible to tell if he really believes what he says and does are for the benefit of qrk long term or not?

I suspect DI does want qrk to succeed but wants to do it "his way". Anything not exactly "his way" is firmly met with a wall of less than diplomatic criticism. More of a personally trait than him trying to drive the price of qrk down. Although if this kind of attitude towards other core members really does make them want out then that can lead to the same thing.

DI why not post your qrk address so we can see you're on board with qrk.  Seems like a conspiracy theory that you're anti qrk until you can buy back in but let's see. If you have a 100k qrk wager i guess you have a few more hundred k stashed away somewhere right?

QRKfx was a big loss to the qrk community in my opinion. His ideas and drive were very interesting and i think he had proven without doubt he was a loyal qrk supporter. The fact more people are not concerned about people like this leaving the community is worrying. Vic not being around is again worrying, he was the public driving force on this board for a long time.

The problem with qrks core member seems to be that they are very sensitive and not robust enough to push through their ideas to the community clearly. QRKfx's paper had some VERY interesting ideas but these were just pushed aside by simple negative remarks that really had nothing to back them up.  The core members should have formed a stable leadership and put in place a system where their suggested actions are put forward to the community and then analysed before being actioned.  We can not allow negative (or positive) comments to have weight without analysis it just makes no sense to say you do or don't approve without a valid reason that can be seen as logical to everyone else.

So let's get on with the leadership side of things.

Let's get the core members that have proven beyond doubt they are qrk supporters through hard work together and make all discussion public on the thread. Next step is to get some funds together to attract a new developer and project manager. If you look at 'hyper' they have a public development pot that is held by escrow for development and marketing purposes only.

Don't be shy guys if you have worked on qrk projects and are pro qrk put yourself forward to be part of the foundation. Once formed and we have some clear leadership (people that dare to suggest direct and purpose without feeling they are being bossy) the community can get behind some of these ideas and we can work towards getting some things done.

Anyone should be able to join the foundation so long as we know their motives are clearly pro qrk. The only way to really know this is to see they own a large amount of qrk. I mean sure a whale could buy up a ton of qrk to appear pro qrk when really his motives are anti qrk, but that is less likely and for now i can see no better way of testing qrk loyalty. It seems as soon as someone does not agree with someone else they are called trolls, shills, etc. This really would be less likely if they had a 500k quark in their wallet.

Sitting here waiting to be picked up by some huge multinational company as their chosen currency is not working out too well.  Let's build a few services out ourselves that use qrk and expand their user base then perhaps other companies and services will take note.


Let's also analyse( NOT just say it sounds good or bad) the ideas that have previously been put forward to help solve some of qrks perceived issues.


1. POS -  

Is POS proven to be less secure than POW only. What about the hybrid pos +pow? where are the experts sunnyking, rat4 etc to really get to the bottom of this issue.

we don't want to inflate the minting too much .... better still not at all.  
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There are many options/variations available here.

After reading through qrkfx's paper one part i like was the taxing side of things.  This gives a lot of incentive to help secure the chain.


We could cut off pow altogether and go full POS with the same inflation rate. However that won't be incentive enough. What though if we introduced a small tax on those that do not help secure the chain by having their wallet open for staking. That tax can be either sent to the foundation to fund projects/developers/services or given as random superblock rewards to staking wallets. I was against random superblocks for mining because it made no sense to burn electricity for a possible reward. However, as miner i have some machines running or at least my laptop full time anyway so why not leave my qrk wallet staking to avoid the small tax and to earn some qrk  and possibly a super pos block.

There can be many variations including pos+pow ....whatever we like.

The only issue i see is POS seems touchy about working with the qrk algo.  I know a couple of coins tried it and it was not a huge success.

Is the qrk algo even important to qrk anymore? i mean look at all the qrk clones they are dead. The algo doesn't mean all that much it would seem, especially when the POW phase is pretty much over. So what is the big deal about switching qrk at this point to another algo? lets discuss not scream that is profanity to suggest such a thing.

Of course this all may seem like a terrible idea to you, so let's hear why exactly it would be so bad. Let's analyse the idea in public. If it turns out to be a bad idea and we can all logically see why then we just forget it.



2 - the superblock (not mining superblocks)  - the one off 10% or whatever block held by escrows and to be released only upon community consultation for projects and services already completed.

Let's think of all the possible positives and negatives and weight them up.


3. The POB or QRK only ipo companion coin - the coin that will allow features and experimentation we do not want coded into qrk itself - that could provide the funding for services and projects that can be jointly shared with qrk if we as a community choose it to be so. It could also be used as a tool to bring back to the community those investors that have bunches of qrk but want no involvement with the qrk project.


again let's weigh the possible positives and negatives of this.


4 ROI projects - what projects , who will manage then? what will be their incentive? i like this idea of building out our own services or uses for qrk but how to get those qrk whales interested in investing?


If none of the above meet your fancy then what do you suggest for qrk - leave it as it is and see what happens? hopefully it will for some reason become more desirable to investors or businesses for some unknown reason in the future?


Before any of that though we need some leadership and public leadership at that. I notice on all communities the coin dies when there is no clearly defined leadership. When new leadership is on the scene the community will rally around this and things get done.













 - Vic is 100% with Quark he took an 80+ hour job i still email him.

- Qrkfx and Coinmama choose to leave explain what they did for Quark?  


- your long list of solutions means Quark is broken right?

take my Bet?  Bitcoin is surely the winner here if Quark is not better than Bitcoin you win easy Quark take the bet?



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here is what we are looking at:

 - C Bloc  (bounty up 50k)
 - Merge mine  (in the works )
-  Mini BLockchain  ( if ever its being tested )
-  continued assessment of the best CPoW algo.


i'm not going to be rude, (as i've bumped the threat enough)

but that list you just posted looks childish next to what is actually happening ; C bloc - Merge etc.

so of course there are unfortunately two choices  (they are both bad)

1. the people that came up with that list are intellectually challenged  (possible)
2. they are meant to be "disruptors" but are very bad at that job and should consider car park attendant employment ?  (saying "i'm reacting" doesn't mean you are good at your job, it means you didn't achieve anything)


If qrk stays at the price it is now for 10 years and bitcoin drops 0.1% is not essentially a huge positive for qrk. Bitcoin for me is way over valued already compared to qrk. ALthough that does not mean that qrk is in an ideal position. Something need not be broken for it to lose against something better. Bitcoin would obviously still be viewed as the better coin if it dropped 50% and qrk stayed the same for the next 10 years. I see the bet as pointless for that exact reason. Yes qrk may be reaching it's bottom for now whilst others have only now started to slip who can say, this is speculation.


The list posted looks childish compared to c - block?  explain how exactly? let's get specific. Tell me exactly how c - block will solve any of qrks issues.

I have said already that the entire concept of c - block to me won't work. Why would anyone donate for hash whales to take it all? it makes no sense.

Let's forget the car park attendant for now. Let's hear specific reasons how the c - block could possibly solve any of qrks issues.

The issues as i see them - issues don't essentially mean qrk is broken it means these are areas for improvement. I mean qrk could become the number 1 coin tomorrow if walmart decided to use it. However let's not assume this kind of thing will happen to qrk.

1. no funding for an active developer, no funding for project managers, building services etc.
2. a lot of the qrk investors sit outside of the crypto community and are not involved or supporting the community in anyway
3. qrk is seen to have died off, there is no leadership and no new blood with their btc coming in to qrk. Well, not that is visible through this thread anyway.
4. pow rewards not sufficient to secure the chain
5. competition with funding, larger communities that are drawn by new hype and features extracting btc and support from qrk
6. a fragmented community with no unity.


merge mining with what coin is in the works?  

I didn't notice any community consultation take place so i doubt this is happening anytime soon.


As i say, let's get specific. Let's analyse the possible positives and negatives of all suggestions that have been made.

No point saying the list was made by retards without explaining the negatives. Once you expose the negatives then we can safely assume the list was made by retards but not until then.

Pick any of the points.

POS, Superblock, POB companion coin/ qrk only ipo,  

Then demonstrate the obvious negative effects  each will have on qrk if implemented and why.




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August 20, 2014, 05:26:35 AM
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What coin do you guys plan to merge mine Quark with?  When do you think that will be implemented?

I think it's a great idea to boost the user base, but most of all, the level of security.

Cheers!

Vlad one that was released with much and has a history is here there was much crying when I started to talk about it : D

the general conspiracy was of course we made it - but as it had a beautifully fair launch and primary mining goes out to 4 years from launch you could mine it now if you like:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657528.0

difficulty should be low (contrary to what the shills say)

i'm keen to help re-brand and merge mine either this or something like this in future.


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What coin do you guys plan to merge mine Quark with?  When do you think that will be implemented?

I think it's a great idea to boost the user base, but most of all, the level of security.

Cheers!

Few coins use the QRK hash. Animecoin is one that does, and it is being revived : it's strong identity enabled it to survive the last 8 months.

can you link me MajorMax ?

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I suspect DI does want qrk to succeed but wants to do it "his way". Anything not exactly "his way" is firmly met with a wall of less than diplomatic criticism.

Bingo and he will spread propaganda against them being 'disruptive' 'trolls' 'shills' 'working for agents' making Threads against them like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=725753.msg8201177#msg8201177

He did this with the previous core members an probably will do with the next as well, this post sums it up. It came to members attention 7 months ago already. Quark a great coin with so much potential with the wrong guy trying to be in charge.



much squealing and squirming  as the monopolies crash because no one is buying that turd lol .

Take my Bet?

if Bitcoin is better you win.  come on its the "Gold"


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I suspect DI does want qrk to succeed but wants to do it "his way". Anything not exactly "his way" is firmly met with a wall of less than diplomatic criticism.

Bingo and he will spread propaganda against them being 'disruptive' 'trolls' 'shills' 'working for agents' making Threads against them like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=725753.msg8201177#msg8201177

He did this with the previous core members an probably will do with the next as well, this post sums it up. It came to members attention 7 months ago already. Quark a great coin with so much potential with the wrong guy trying to be in charge.



much squealing and squirming  as the monopolies crash because no one is buying that turd lol .

Take my Bet?

if Bitcoin is better you win.  come on its the "Gold"


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Quark crashed much more than Bitcoin from their high, quark 96% and Bitcoin 59% so you are a retard. You strategy is bashing other coins "thinking" it's positive for quark, core members strategy was/is working on infrastructure with focus on projects. Also i would have rather monopoly instead, than a incompetent clown involved.  
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What coin do you guys plan to merge mine Quark with?  When do you think that will be implemented?

I think it's a great idea to boost the user base, but most of all, the level of security.

Cheers!

Few coins use the QRK hash. Animecoin is one that does, and it is being revived : it's strong identity enabled it to survive the last 8 months.

can you link me MajorMax ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423339.0

The community has potential for varied artistic talent :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423339.msg6843840#msg6843840
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What coin do you guys plan to merge mine Quark with?  When do you think that will be implemented?

I think it's a great idea to boost the user base, but most of all, the level of security.

Cheers!

Few coins use the QRK hash. Animecoin is one that does, and it is being revived : it's strong identity enabled it to survive the last 8 months.

can you link me MajorMax ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423339.0

The community has potential for varied artistic talent :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423339.msg6843840#msg6843840

thank mate will check it out .

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I suspect DI does want qrk to succeed but wants to do it "his way". Anything not exactly "his way" is firmly met with a wall of less than diplomatic criticism.

Bingo and he will spread propaganda against them being 'disruptive' 'trolls' 'shills' 'working for agents' making Threads against them like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=725753.msg8201177#msg8201177

He did this with the previous core members an probably will do with the next as well, this post sums it up. It came to members attention 7 months ago already. Quark a great coin with so much potential with the wrong guy trying to be in charge.



much squealing and squirming  as the monopolies crash because no one is buying that turd lol .

Take my Bet?

if Bitcoin is better you win.  come on its the "Gold"


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Quark crashed much more than Bitcoin from their high, quark 96% and Bitcoin 59% so you are a retard. You strategy is bashing other coins "thinking" it's positive for quark, core members strategy was/is working on infrastructure with focus on projects. Also i would have rather monopoly instead, than a incompetent clown involved.  

not taking the bet then?  ; D

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... bashing other coins "thinking" it's positive for quark, core members strategy was/is working on infrastructure with focus on projects. Also i would have rather monopoly instead....  

In fact, I have seen the beginning of a new movement for collaboration between different coins: I can also envisage that being the way currencies survive and move forward.

Joining communities and strengthening resources & 'brand', mark the next steps forward, because it is the solution to the increasing, and potentially infinite, competition which has been diluting price and communities.. The coins that don't want to do that will mostly fade away.
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... bashing other coins "thinking" it's positive for quark, core members strategy was/is working on infrastructure with focus on projects. Also i would have rather monopoly instead....  

In fact, I have seen the beginning of a new movement for collaboration between different coins: I can also envisage that being the way currencies survive and move forward.

Joining communities and strengthening resources & 'brand', mark the next steps forward, because it is the solution to the increasing, and potentially infinite, competition which has been diluting price and communities.. The coins that don't want to do that will mostly fade away.

I agree 100%, but kolin the conspiracy clown doesn't. Imo quark needs a new guy in charge, a person with professional attitude, someone who represents quark at conventions. This will be a positive step towards quarks success.
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August 20, 2014, 03:57:13 PM
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Oh sanity, the last pages look like a car accident.

Just wanted to let you know that I will talk to one of the MC2 developers with regard to Proof of Burn tomorrow around this time. I won´t necessarily focus on Quark as the volume is so low that for people who are buying in it would be an issue but will still discuss it with him.
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QuarkFX,
 Have you officially left Quark? If so, that's quite unfortunate.

YC

Oh sanity, the last pages look like a car accident.

Just wanted to let you know that I will talk to one of the MC2 developers with regard to Proof of Burn tomorrow around this time. I won´t necessarily focus on Quark as the volume is so low that for people who are buying in it would be an issue but will still discuss it with him.
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... bashing other coins "thinking" it's positive for quark, core members strategy was/is working on infrastructure with focus on projects. Also i would have rather monopoly instead....  

In fact, I have seen the beginning of a new movement for collaboration between different coins: I can also envisage that being the way currencies survive and move forward.

Joining communities and strengthening resources & 'brand', mark the next steps forward, because it is the solution to the increasing, and potentially infinite, competition which has been diluting price and communities.. The coins that don't want to do that will mostly fade away.

100% agree - this is probably the next phase of crypto currency -

Quarkfx  and the "core community" team of believers are going to be grouped in group "fade away".

Cryptocurrency (of course) has no core community that is the way it was designed - want to know the "leader" of any crypto, look at the GIT source and the exchange price.

people that say "Max is controlling the code" are the same old failures from "project salt" that wanted to fork Quark all that time ago, they were WOW playing failures then and they are; "double down chips staked up"; "come into my office we need to talk" failures now.

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Oh sanity, the last pages look like a car accident.

Just wanted to let you know that I will talk to one of the MC2 developers with regard to Proof of Burn tomorrow around this time. I won´t necessarily focus on Quark as the volume is so low that for people who are buying in it would be an issue but will still discuss it with him.

poor guy - your trying hard mate.  , keep your chin up

: |

you will need some Doge bots. i just personally don't think "project salt" has the budget for this IPO scam, look at Ether and NXT these guys are going to eat your lunch.

you will need:

- Your own exchange to fake volume.
- Reddit and "social media" bots not just log ins, but real believable fakes.
- Probably about 50 or so sock puppet accounts here. (just to make the case like the NXT guys) ( these will need to be real people, you will have to outsource )

that's just for starters - then you are going to have to try to pay off shills in the "corporate media"  like fronts similar to the "tech mags" etc.

but hey,  good luck.

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QuarkFX,
 Have you officially left Quark? If so, that's quite unfortunate.

YC

Oh sanity, the last pages look like a car accident.

Just wanted to let you know that I will talk to one of the MC2 developers with regard to Proof of Burn tomorrow around this time. I won´t necessarily focus on Quark as the volume is so low that for people who are buying in it would be an issue but will still discuss it with him.

Yes, I sold off and withdraw my ressources.

From the last pages it is probably obvious why, but the main reason was the fact that Kolin and Vic silently released Mimiccoin as Quarks future merge mining coin (intentionally low profile with basically anything but a client), set up a sockpuppet dev account and pretended later they "found" it coincidentally (fun fact: immediately after Julie pointed everyone to the obvious fact that this was a setup). And then the stuff around that issue. There is hard proof because the email of the initial plan was forwarded.

Anyway, I now read all the youngest announcements Kolin made and think you should mark his words - because given his rich account of fake announcements or announcements that turned out to be outright lies it is likely that none if them will take place.

Respect goes to Maok who obviously tries the best for the community, even though I don't see the prospect he sees. I don't go in grief or anger as I still have contact to people who are still in and will check in every now and then.

All the best to you Smiley

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Quark solo miners: earn 100 QRK for each block that you find and post on www.quarktalk.cc ; more details: http://www.quarktalk.cc/threads/quark-forum-new-quarkers-giveaways.104/

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Quark solo miners: earn 100 QRK for each block that you find and post on www.quarktalk.cc ; more details: http://www.quarktalk.cc/threads/quark-forum-new-quarkers-giveaways.104/

Nice one to summarise better

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Quark solo miners: earn 100 QRK for each block that you find and post on www.quarktalk.cc ; more details: http://www.quarktalk.cc/threads/quark-forum-new-quarkers-giveaways.104/

Although i totally support this ,

But is that the big play?

You are going to pay people to go to your forum?

That's just not going to work for a host of sociological reasons, humans want to learn, its a fundamental of our DNA structure, why do you think people that actually use twitter do?

Humans want answers and news.

That's why this whole industry is peer driven.

But you guys amusingly don't seem to understand?

Look at all the rants all the abuse? All the "offensiveness" from me.

Yet your failure is all that will be remembered, and look at Quarks Cap?

What happens now when the holographic "confidence" dries up on the monopoly derivatives?

Interesting no?

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Quark solo miners: earn 100 QRK for each block that you find and post on www.quarktalk.cc ; more details: http://www.quarktalk.cc/threads/quark-forum-new-quarkers-giveaways.104/

Nice one to summarise better

Thanks. Its also in the works to organize a jackpot at the end of year with all those that took part in the solo miners giveaway. The winner will receive 50K quarks and be decided using random.org for proof of fairness. Of course, enough participants would have to take part in the giveaway in order to hold such jackpot.

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QuarkFX,
 Have you officially left Quark? If so, that's quite unfortunate.

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Oh sanity, the last pages look like a car accident.

Just wanted to let you know that I will talk to one of the MC2 developers with regard to Proof of Burn tomorrow around this time. I won´t necessarily focus on Quark as the volume is so low that for people who are buying in it would be an issue but will still discuss it with him.

Yes, I sold off and withdraw my ressources.

From the last pages it is probably obvious why, but the main reason was the fact that Kolin and Vic silently released Mimiccoin as Quarks future merge mining coin (intentionally low profile with basically anything but a client), set up a sockpuppet dev account and pretended later they "found" it coincidentally (fun fact: immediately after Julie pointed everyone to the obvious fact that this was a setup). And then the stuff around that issue. There is hard proof because the email of the initial plan was forwarded.

Anyway, I now read all the youngest announcements Kolin made and think you should mark his words - because given his rich account of fake announcements or announcements that turned out to be outright lies it is likely that none if them will take place.

Respect goes to Maok who obviously tries the best for the community, even though I don't see the prospect he sees. I don't go in grief as I still have contact to people who are still in and will check in every now and then.

All the best to you Smiley



I appreciate all the things you have done for Quark, and the efforts you have taken to keep the Quark community united by putting the interest of the community at the first place.
Personally I will remember the long nights searching together for a relevant background music for the iceland video, what was fun to do.
Everytime when I hear this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5VgLOs0LwQ
I associate that song with Quark Tongue

Take good care. You are added value for each coin you will work for!
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