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Or this? < ozbot> 50810339.04828 | Next Diff in 200 blocks | Estimated Change: 28.9747% in 0d 23h 33m 12s
Ack! ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) That's gonna leave a mark. Look on the bright side, it's not as bad as the last one. The previous adjustment was +36%.
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Yifu is communicating now as much as he did during the Batch #2 fulfillment period. This cannot be a surprise. These chips are late, but so was Batch #1 and Batch #2. This knowledge was in front of you when you made the purchase. Tell me what answer you will give to the judge when he says "Isn't that curious. Tell me why you thought he would ship on time this time?"
Dude, they pre-mined the crap out of Batch #2. That's why there was no communication as they delayed as much as possible. They mined until the units turned up covered internally with dust and preconfigured to pools. Way beyond that of 'testing'. It was so noticeable, that they had to halt sending the dust coated pre-configured pre-mined silver units and re-start Batch #2 shipping, sending out fresh black ones that were intended for Batch #3 orders. Hence the obscene delay in Batch #3. C'mon man, be fair, this behaviour is inexcusable. I want to believe this wasn't the case, but look at the evidence. At this point ignoring the subject will not help. In the context of pursuing a lawsuit, the important question is "will a judge believe this." Well if one can provide photographic evidence. Check. Reports from legitimate purchasers with photographic evidence at the time pf receipt of goods, as well as courier documents/customs dockets. Check. Evidence that units were preconfigured to specific pools where 900BTC (approx equal to US$1m, of a an approx $1B currency, further directly manipulating it's overall supply) has accumulated to specific wallets within specific dates. Check. I'd find it hard for a judge not to consider such empirical evidence. Especially when further corroborated with the evidence that the manufacture of chips equal to all the community bulk orders in total was in fact in Bitsycom's possession from late June. Posted by one of their own design team, and a total blanket on any communication from those entrusted with the funds and orders for weeks subsequent, followed by continued ignorance of their existence and inconsistent excuses. Not to mention continual promises to refund which never transpire, and an aggressive increase in global hashrate throughout he same period which cannot be solely attributed to another US based manufacturer with an awful track record of delivering anything. EDIT: As I have been quite rightly corrected 900btc is not equal to US1m, yet is substantial. As such the pre-mining may be less significant in the supply of BTC, but holding or reselling the quantity of chips on order is not. That said I want Yifu to retain 'Hero' status, but this is beyond giving the benefit of doubt now.
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August 23, 2013, 05:13:40 PM |
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900BTC ≃ 100K USD.
800K GB chips @ 0.0782 BTC/u. @ 115 USD/BTC = 6.9 million USD. => THIS is where the hurt is coming from.
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August 23, 2013, 05:46:01 PM |
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Yifu is communicating now as much as he did during the Batch #2 fulfillment period. This cannot be a surprise. These chips are late, but so was Batch #1 and Batch #2. This knowledge was in front of you when you made the purchase. Tell me what answer you will give to the judge when he says "Isn't that curious. Tell me why you thought he would ship on time this time?"
Dude, they pre-mined the crap out of Batch #2. That's why there was no communication as they delayed as much as possible. They mined until the units turned up covered internally with dust and preconfigured to pools. Way beyond that of 'testing'. It was so noticeable, that they had to halt sending the dust coated pre-configured pre-mined silver units and re-start Batch #2 shipping, sending out fresh black ones that were intended for Batch #3 orders. Hence the obscene delay in Batch #3. C'mon man, be fair, this behaviour is inexcusable. I want to believe this wasn't the case, but look at the evidence. At this point ignoring the subject will not help. In the context of pursuing a lawsuit, the important question is "will a judge believe this." Well if one can provide photographic evidence. Check. Reports from legitimate purchasers with photographic evidence at the time pf receipt of goods, as well as courier documents/customs dockets. Check. Evidence that units were preconfigured to specific pools where 900BTC (approx equal to US$1m, of a an approx $1B currency, further directly manipulating it's overall supply) has accumulated to specific wallets within specific dates. Check. I'd find it hard for a judge not to consider such empirical evidence. Especially when further corroborated with the evidence that the manufacture of chips equal to all the community bulk orders in total was in fact in Bitsycom's possession from late June. Posted by one of their own design team, and a total blanket on any communication from those entrusted with the funds and orders for weeks subsequent, followed by continued ignorance of their existence and inconsistent excuses. Not to mention continual promises to refund which never transpire, and an aggressive increase in global hashrate throughout he same period which cannot be solely attributed to another US based manufacturer with an awful track record of delivering anything. EDIT: As I have been quite rightly corrected 900btc is not equal to US1m, yet is substantial. As such the pre-mining may be less significant in the supply of BTC, but holding or reselling the quantity of chips on order is not. That said I want Yifu to retain 'Hero' status, but this is beyond giving the benefit of doubt now. Unfortunately, he probably did not break any laws. Unfair business practice, maybe. Unethical, of course. Liar, liar pants on fire, you bet. But unfortunately in the US, he probably did not break any laws. Not sure, you might want to check with your lawyer. Disclaimer: I'm biased because I've sent my Icarus boards to this guy. In April.
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August 23, 2013, 05:53:14 PM |
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he says here: http://www.avalon-asics.com/That he is processing refunds. Why are the Group buy people asking for refunds? (sorry if this is a stupid question)
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August 23, 2013, 05:56:51 PM |
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They aren't - these are Avalon Batch 1,2,3 refunds and trade ins.
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August 23, 2013, 05:57:33 PM |
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Starting to wonder if the creator of Bitcoin made a typo. The "i" is right next to the "o". Maybe the second "i" wasn't suppose to be there.
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August 23, 2013, 06:02:18 PM |
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Starting to wonder if the creator of Bitcoin made a typo. The "i" is right next to the "o". Maybe the second "i" wasn't suppose to be there.
You had a good idea for a joke but executed with very poor delivery..lol
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August 23, 2013, 06:07:31 PM |
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You had a good idea for a joke but executed with very poor delivery..lol
I admit I like your joke better.
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August 23, 2013, 06:16:07 PM |
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You had a good idea for a joke but executed with very poor delivery..lol
I admit I like your joke better. Incoming... from a guy who used to do standup comedy in Nashville...
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August 24, 2013, 02:11:45 PM |
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If you are looking to explain this issue to a litigator, then he'll want to see a few things up front:
1) what are the terms of that governed the transaction? 2) what is the timeline of the parties' statements and representations (who did/said what when)? 3) how many orders were placed and who placed them? 4) what was the cost of each order and the total orders? 5) what orders were/were not shipped?
This information isn't always available, of course. Nonetheless, a class action suit needs a few informed, passionate lead plaintiffs to communicate information like this to their lawyer, whomever that may be.
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Marco Santori is a lawyer, but not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice. If you do have specific questions, though, please don't hesitate to PM me. We've learned this forum isn't 100% secure, so you might prefer to email me. Maybe I can help! Depending upon your jurisdiction, this post might be construed as attorney advertising, so: attorney advertising ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 24, 2013, 02:25:23 PM |
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Thank you for your statement Marco. Would you be interested in an employment about this issue? What/how much would you need to get this going?
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August 24, 2013, 02:54:15 PM |
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Yifu is communicating now as much as he did during the Batch #2 fulfillment period. This cannot be a surprise. These chips are late, but so was Batch #1 and Batch #2. This knowledge was in front of you when you made the purchase. Tell me what answer you will give to the judge when he says "Isn't that curious. Tell me why you thought he would ship on time this time?"
Dude, they pre-mined the crap out of Batch #2. That's why there was no communication as they delayed as much as possible. They mined until the units turned up covered internally with dust and preconfigured to pools. Way beyond that of 'testing'. It was so noticeable, that they had to halt sending the dust coated pre-configured pre-mined silver units and re-start Batch #2 shipping, sending out fresh black ones that were intended for Batch #3 orders. Hence the obscene delay in Batch #3. C'mon man, be fair, this behaviour is inexcusable. I want to believe this wasn't the case, but look at the evidence. At this point ignoring the subject will not help. Couldn't agreed more
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Zefir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.02013-04-30: Batch 7 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-09 ---> - 48 days 2013-04-30: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-09 ---> - 48 days 2013-04-28: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-07 ---> - 50 days 2013-04-24: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-03 ---> - 54 days 2013-04-20: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-29 ---> - 57 days 2013-04-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-27 - delivered - 2013-08-23 - 58 days late 2013-04-16: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-25 - delivered - 2013-07-24 - 29 days late
Big Time Coin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180093.02013-04-17: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-26 ---> - 60 days - received shipping info
ragingazn628 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189220.02013-04-27: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-06 ---> - 50 days
Steamboat - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.02013-07-06: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 22 days 2013-06-05: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-14 ---> - 10 days 2013-05-28: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-06 ---> - 19 days 2013-05-22: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-31 ---> - 25 days 2013-05-11: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 36 days 2013-05-01: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-10 ---> - 46 days
SebastianJu' - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.02013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 23 days 2013-06-13: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-22 ---> - 2 days 2013-05-27: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-05 ---> - 20 days 2013-05-23: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 24 days 2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 28 days 2013-05-11: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 35 days
t13hydra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0 Sample chips unboxing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1FLE59Hzck2013-06-30: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-15 ---> - 10 days 2013-05-23: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 24 days
kslaughter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.msg2370446#msg23704462013-06-01: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-10 ---> - 15 days 2013-05-28: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-06 ---> - 19 days
bizwoo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.02013-07-08: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-16 ---> + 25 days 2013-06-08: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-17 ---> - 7 days
marto74 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.02013-07-06: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 22 days 2013-06-17: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-26 ---> + 3 days
Total 270K of chips 220K are already late 50K still in time frame Courtesy of paul3 Updated daily - See more and help out at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277198.0
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August 24, 2013, 03:48:37 PM |
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So the only news since 8/9/2013 is one more batch of chip has been delivered. Over 2 weeks has passed and only one more delivered.
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August 24, 2013, 04:57:12 PM |
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So the only news since 8/9/2013 is one more batch of chip has been delivered. Over 2 weeks has passed and only one more delivered.
We only have limited info about all the batches in queue (see spreadsheet), so we don't have a way knowing. Since OP two of the customers received shipping info (limited info), and only zefir got his batch #2. There was no reply from Big Time Coin, but I asked on open forum and not by PM. Edit: PM sent to Big Time Coin
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August 26, 2013, 03:08:36 PM |
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Which highlights how dumb the feedback system is, as on my screen it shows the following, which gives no indication that this is someone to avoid, or that lots of negative feedback has been left. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs9.postimg.org%2F8kz9rgbm7%2Fbitsyncom.jpg&t=665&c=vkPYQXQqUAd4rg)
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August 26, 2013, 03:16:35 PM |
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Which highlights how dumb the feedback system is, as on my screen it shows the following, which gives no indication that this is someone to avoid, or that lots of negative feedback has been left. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs9.postimg.org%2F8kz9rgbm7%2Fbitsyncom.jpg&t=665&c=vkPYQXQqUAd4rg) Wow! I never actually pushed the Rating button. What's wrong with that? Why is it still 0?
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August 26, 2013, 03:18:21 PM |
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Which highlights how dumb the feedback system is, as on my screen it shows the following, which gives no indication that this is someone to avoid, or that lots of negative feedback has been left. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs9.postimg.org%2F8kz9rgbm7%2Fbitsyncom.jpg&t=665&c=vkPYQXQqUAd4rg) Wow! I never actually pushed the Rating button. What's wrong with that? Why is it still 0? I think it only shows red when other people in your own 'trust network' have marked negative feedback... there also seems to be a built in default trust list, and I would assume if any of those members posted negative feedback, it would show up for everyone.... not entirely sure though.
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