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January 29, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
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I hope I am not yet too late to give out my Opinion on the new merit system. I am really in favor of this system as this will encourage all users to write good quality posts. I have no issues with that, as that is very attainable. What I am worried is this system is prone to gaming and abuse. For example a person who has a lot of merits can give one person an instant 20 or more merits for just one post, might be good or bad post it depends on the one giving the merit how many he can give as long as he has a lot of merits. My suggestion is to limit the merits to 1 merit per instance per person per post. So for example I have a really good post, I can only receive a maximum of 1 merit from one person for that post. So If i gain 100 persons who thinks my post is good then that is the only time I can get 100 merits. I would also suggest if admin can lower the merit requirements to I guess 20 - 30 increments per rank  so it can be much attainable, especially for those people who are still starting out this will really promote them to post good content at the same time still motivated to rank up.

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January 29, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
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I think one of the main problems is that lower ranks have no (or too few) sMerit to send. I got 1 sMerit for the start. So I only can mark 1 post as usefull. Then I am finished.

So all newbies, jr members and members are not able to send sMerit when someone answers their questions for example. When I post helpful answers to beginners (or also to members), I have to hope that a member with high rank also reads my answer and perhaps send Merit. But in most cases I will not get any Merit for my help I think.
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January 29, 2018, 11:07:30 AM
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Senior members have no incentive to donate Merit points.
This will make this new system fail.

I've given out 24 Merit points so far, I'd have given a lot more if I had them. My incentive is to make this system work and reduce the number of times I click on a thread I'm following because it's an interesting topic only to find someone laid a turd in it.

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January 29, 2018, 11:32:17 AM
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Senior members have no incentive to donate Merit points.
This will make this new system fail.

I've given out a few so far, but have yet to receive any -- so i will run out soon..

Am starting to lean towards your proposition.

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January 29, 2018, 11:36:46 AM
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Tbh. I don't like this system too much, because it draws away my attention from the actual discussion. I don't care about ranks, I just don't want to think about it. Now everytime someone posts, you have to think about whether giving merit or not, and also looking if you received any merit.

The other thing that has been said many times I think ... it should not open a new tab. That is actually an incentive to NOT click the button, because it takes away my attention from the content completely. If it would just be a button that updates in place, like a "Like" button ... that would be ok. But I would also like to take back my like in case I accidentally clicked on it, instead of the quote button.
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January 29, 2018, 12:18:02 PM
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After having a few days to think about it I'm on the fence about the whole system. I get why something like this was needed to limit spammers and it is fine for us older members who have a lot of merit by default but I think it will take even quite a decent poster quite some some to achieve the rank with merit points, though at least users are now forced to actually make quality contributions if they want to pass through the ranks other than just post spam week after week until they have been here long enough to level up. On the other hand it does already take a very long time to go though the ranks any way (1.5 years or so for Hero for example) so maybe it wont be that uncommon to achieve so many merit points over that time span if you're not just making spam posts. I think it will all depend on how easily people give points out but I think it's an interesting experiment at least and I will be following it's progress.

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January 29, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
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Tbh. I don't like this system too much, because it draws away my attention from the actual discussion. I don't care about ranks, I just don't want to think about it. Now everytime someone posts, you have to think about whether giving merit or not, and also looking if you received any merit.
Disagreed. It does the exact opposite. If you do not care about ranks, you probably might not care about merit either. You don't have to give anyone anything should you not want to, and since ranks aren't important to you then don't care about whether you're going to receive merit either.

The other thing that has been said many times I think ... it should not open a new tab.
At the start of this thread, it was explicitly asked for and supported by many (Vod asked for it).

On the other hand it does already take a very long time to go though the ranks any way (1.5 years or so for Hero for example) so maybe it wont be that uncommon to achieve so many merit points over that time span if you're not just making spam posts. I think it will all depend on how easily people give points out but I think it's an interesting experiment at least and I will be following it's progress.
It should be pretty easy to reach the required amount of Merit for Hero rank in that time span, given that you are creating quality posts.

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January 29, 2018, 12:39:04 PM
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Tbh. I don't like this system too much, because it draws away my attention from the actual discussion. I don't care about ranks, I just don't want to think about it. Now everytime someone posts, you have to think about whether giving merit or not, and also looking if you received any merit.
Disagreed. It does the exact opposite. If you do not care about ranks, you probably might not care about merit either. You don't have to give anyone anything should you not want to, and since ranks aren't important to you then don't care about whether you're going to receive merit either.

The other thing that has been said many times I think ... it should not open a new tab.
At the start of this thread, it was explicitly asked for and supported by many (Vod asked for it).

On the other hand it does already take a very long time to go though the ranks any way (1.5 years or so for Hero for example) so maybe it wont be that uncommon to achieve so many merit points over that time span if you're not just making spam posts. I think it will all depend on how easily people give points out but I think it's an interesting experiment at least and I will be following it's progress.
It should be pretty easy to reach the required amount of Merit for Hero rank in that time span, given that you are creating quality posts.

I don't know you at all, but i already feel you may be quite biased here. I mean just look how much Merit you (a Legendary Rank) have been awarded in just a few meager days. This is in no way indicative of a typical user or even a power user.

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January 29, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
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I don't know you at all, but i already feel you may be quite biased here. I mean just look how much Merit you (a Legendary Rank) have been awarded in just a few meager days. This is in no way indicative of a typical user or even a power user.
Given that I've reached the top rank quite a long time ago, there is little to no meaning behind receiving any extra Merit points. Why would that makes me biased?

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January 29, 2018, 12:56:02 PM
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Tbh. I don't like this system too much, because it draws away my attention from the actual discussion. I don't care about ranks, I just don't want to think about it. Now everytime someone posts, you have to think about whether giving merit or not, and also looking if you received any merit.

The other thing that has been said many times I think ... it should not open a new tab. That is actually an incentive to NOT click the button, because it takes away my attention from the content completely. If it would just be a button that updates in place, like a "Like" button ... that would be ok. But I would also like to take back my like in case I accidentally clicked on it, instead of the quote button.

i actually prefer it opening in a new tab as i can just click back to the original tab and keep reading. otherwise i would have to break my train of thought right then because of needing to put a number in and click the send button. the new tab can just sit until im done reading, then do it.

a new tab also prevents accidentally sending merit with a mis-click of the button (whoopsie meant to click "quote".. yeah im sloppy when clicking). this way you can just cancel out of it.

i suppose a "one click one merit" button that updates in place could be put in with a timer that allows it to be taken back in case of an accidental click.. say 10 seconds to reverse it and then its locked in.
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January 29, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
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Hmm, btw. I wonder why some people with Hero rank got 1000 merit, and others got 500 like me?

Yeah of course opening in a new tab is better than opening it in the current tab. But my point was having a button that updates in-place instead.


If you do not care about ranks, you probably might not care about merit either. You don't have to give anyone anything should you not want to, and since ranks aren't important to you then don't care about whether you're going to receive merit either.

Fair point. But that kinda misses the point of having a merit system to begin with, because other people will be distracted from the content just as much.
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January 29, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
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Hmm, btw. I wonder why some people with Hero rank got 1000 merit, and others got 500 like me?

Because the Legendary range is 775-1030 and you are on 742, only those above 775 got 1000.

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January 29, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
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Hmm, btw. I wonder why some people with Hero rank got 1000 merit, and others got 500 like me?

Because the Legendary range is 775-1030 and you are on 742, only those above 775 got 1000.


I don't want to argue about this, but the OP clearly says:

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For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank.

So for Hero members that would be 500.  Wink  The problem here is that Hero members do not level up automatically when reaching the minimum amount required for Legendary.

So there's a little loophole here that would enable someone who has never made 1 quality post in his life to become a Legendary member, if he wrote many nonsense posts and got an activity count up to 780 until last week, and now has a merit of 1000 that will allow him to become a Legendary, still without making any quality posts.  Grin
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Hmm, btw. I wonder why some people with Hero rank got 1000 merit, and others got 500 like me?

Because the Legendary range is 775-1030 and you are on 742, only those above 775 got 1000.


I don't want to argue about this, but the OP clearly says:

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For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank.

So for Hero members that would be 500.  Wink  The problem here is that Hero members do not level up automatically when reaching the minimum amount required for Legendary.

Theymos made a change a few days ago, any Hero who was in the "range" so above 775 Activity had Merit total increased to 1K


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January 29, 2018, 01:33:57 PM
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I don't want to argue about this, but the OP clearly says:

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For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank.

So for Hero members that would be 500.  Wink  The problem here is that Hero members do not level up automatically when reaching the minimum amount required for Legendary.

You are correct but theymos had a change of heart and corrected it for all Hero members that were eligible for Legendary rank by adding another 500 merit. The quote is buried deep within this thread but good luck finding it.

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January 29, 2018, 01:39:40 PM
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So there's a little loophole here that would enable someone who has never made 1 quality post in his life to become a Legendary member, if he wrote many nonsense posts and got an activity count up to 780 until last week, and now has a merit of 1000 that will allow him to become a Legendary, still without making any quality posts.
There's a big loophole here that did enable many users that never wrote anything constructive to become legendary.
Everyone who got to legendary before the system was introduced go there by time/quantity, not quality.
Where is the difference between a legendary with 966 activity and a hero with 966 activity?
And before you call this unfair, the legendary rank itself is, since the window is as big and the time you hit it is random.


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January 29, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
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I'm a bit torn on this to be honest. It benefits those who are already established members, and makes it more difficult for some newbies to rise through the ranks. It might be off putting. However, on the other side of the coin, it will hopefully cut out some of enormous amount of spam posts and worthless contribution - and that can't be a bad thing really. I'm slightly in favour  Wink

If I have my 100 merit and I give someone merit, does that come out of me total and demote me?

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January 29, 2018, 01:42:39 PM
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I still don't understand the concept behind the 'merit' system that was introduced on this forum. I know there should be some checks and balances in ensuring that forum members give quality posts. I'd rather suggest admin maintains the old system of activity points than introducing a confusing system of 'merit points'. The old system can be enhanced by only awarding activity points to posts that meet a certain threshold. For instance, the activity points can be awarded to a post that is more than 100 characters etc. In this way, it will be easy to know who does quality posts and the one who doesn't.
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January 29, 2018, 01:45:48 PM
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For instance, the activity points can be awarded to a post that is more than 100 characters etc. In this way, it will be easy to know who does quality posts and the one who doesn't.
Wrong. Length is not a measure of quality.
You can say nothing with 1000 characters, and you can say a lot with just a single sentence below 100 characters.

A spammer would just strech their posts to the required length and continue doing the same thing.


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I'm a bit torn on this to be honest. It benefits those who are already established members, and makes it more difficult for some newbies to rise through the ranks. It might be off putting. However, on the other side of the coin, it will hopefully cut out some of enormous amount of spam posts and worthless contribution - and that can't be a bad thing really. I'm slightly in favour  Wink

If I have my 100 merit and I give someone merit, does that come out of me total and demote me?

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Do yourself a favor and read page one of this thread.. helping yourself like that is the first step to enlightenment the second step will be making constructive posts based on the information you have gained.. the 3rd step is merits..

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