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February 05, 2018, 07:29:08 AM
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I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know? 

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

Yes and no.

I dont think merit should only be awarded to highly interactive posts.
He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.


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February 05, 2018, 07:38:48 AM
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Well, it passed like 10 days after this new system and at first I thought like "whatever!". But now, after all those days I became a little scared, cause of now being a jr. member without 10 merits is one of the toughest thing, such users will not be able to go higher and to join any campaign while they will not fill this 10 merits.
Meanwhile as I used to notice, constructive posts do not get a merit, but some obvious posts do. Everything depends on users and spreading of merits is not fair usually. And as theymos said there are users who able to create a merit and give it to somebody, but he didn't call a nik to other users do not annoy them with requests to send some merit to posts.
I just can conclude that together with high prices for crypto it came high standards to the forum, and now to loose an account is going to be a serious problem. I hope we will learn to live with that one day. Good luck everybody!
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February 05, 2018, 07:57:34 AM
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Well, it passed like 10 days after this new system and at first I thought like "whatever!". But now, after all those days I became a little scared, cause of now being a jr. member without 10 merits is one of the toughest thing, such users will not be able to go higher and to join any campaign while they will not fill this 10 merits.
Meanwhile as I used to notice, constructive posts do not get a merit, but some obvious posts do. Everything depends on users and spreading of merits is not fair usually. And as theymos said there are users who able to create a merit and give it to somebody, but he didn't call a nik to other users do not annoy them with requests to send some merit to posts.

That's why QA made this thread. If you believe that your post doesn't get much attention, direct QA to your posts then QA will ask you something about your posts.

The thing about Merit abuser is that they'll eventually ran out of sMerit, unless they're Merit sources which is unlikely.

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I just can conclude that together with high prices for crypto it came high standards to the forum, and now to loose an account is going to be a serious problem. I hope we will learn to live with that one day. Good luck everybody!

Because this forum is full of people who think that the way they earn more money is to spam here and there so that they can increase their post count. And how would you lose your account anyway?
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February 05, 2018, 08:43:36 AM
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Am really impress with the new policy, cause it is encouraging high quality post,you actually not see people posting some shit post any longer. People are really making good research and meaningful comments.
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February 05, 2018, 09:26:40 AM
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I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know?  

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

Yes and no.

I dont think merit should only be awarded to highly interactive posts.
He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.

Who fucking gives a shit if you have a life outside of the forum and you have been a lurker on the forum for 8 years?  It does not matter, and no one is going to give you merits because you happen to be a good person in real life if they don't know what that supposed goodness is.  

Further, we don't judge you based on your many accounts and your many speculative and supposed things that were in your good intention head that you meant to say.. We only can only determine based on what is posted, and I summarized mightwalker's posting activities at the time that I read his post as largely two days, so I don't know what purpose you find, B4RF, to speculate that there could be more meritorious things there when it does not fucking matter because none of us would know about such speculative things, and even mightwalker has not even responded to declare any of these kinds of supposedly good things that he might deserve merit for.

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February 05, 2018, 10:03:28 AM
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Instead of posting you 100% agree, you should have given me 100 merit.
You can only give 50 merit to a user in a 30 day window.
Unless they have an alt account, they cannot give you 100 merit (right now).

Press your middle mouse button when trying to open a link to open it in a new window. Problem solved. Now you should have given me 200 merit.
Same problem, 4 alt accounts?

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !
You can get merit if you make a good quality post, but this is not like what you thinking. You just need to catch the eye of the viewers, you need to get their point of views to take their respect to give you merit. If they don't like your post maybe you get red trust but if they love it I'm surely they gives you a lot of merits.
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February 05, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
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Perhaps there is a paradox in the fact that I bought this account, and at the same time I argue that accounts trading should be banned.
I bought this account because it is allowed.

I don't know if that is a paradox, or just a kind of attempt at rationalization of your likely bad situation.. seemingly logical to lose the account.

Why do you think that my situation is bad?

I think that I already said as much as I want to say on the topic.  Ultimately it is up to the administrators what to do with your account, and they would likely have access to information that I don't have and I don't know if you have such information, either.

That's it.

I argue that account trading should be banned because in my opinion it is the main reason why account farmers earn and do what they do. And account trading mainly distorts the ranking system and merit point system.
I'm surprised that nobody talks about it till now!?

I doubt that account trading, farming or the ability to sell is a new topic.  I have seen older post on the topic, so difficult to argue that it is some kind of new phenomenon.

I recall that I lost access to my account twice.  Once was my own fault to screw up my method of signing in, and my account got frozen for nearly a month; however, another time, my account was taken over by a hacker.  

Having my account taken over by a hacker caused me to recognize the value of my account and its history, so I did jump through several hoops, and fairly promptly to get access to my account back.  Sometimes, it can take several weeks or longer before legitimate owners might have realized that there account had been compromised, or what to do about such compromised situation.  Further, I imagine that it can be a fairly time-consuming and tedious activity for forum administrators to be returning legitimate access (and verifying) actual owners during seemingly ongoing hacking situations.

Hacking accounts is other problem, we can do nothing about it, and in my opinion merit system have not much to do with that.

Hacking accounts has to do with ownership claims rather than being a merit system specific topic.    Yet, if merit is given to an account prior to knowing whether there are hacking and/or ownership disputes, then those kinds of questions have been raised in the context of merit, fair merit distribution, etc.

This is obviously logical, it is more a problem of education about the security of each of us, than merit system. The consequences, of course, are always unpleasant, but it is more important to protect yourself.

If the topic of accounts trading was discussed (I missed it), I think we should keep it up.

I don't know how you would have missed the topic, because it was raised in light of your own account and in the context of your posting in this thread.

Yep, so if I started this topic, it is logic that I can't missed it. Smiley Sorry, I understood that this was previously discussed in this thread.

I'm sure that this is what makes the biggest problem for merit and rank system

Again, it is not a merit/rank specific topic, and it mostly seems to have come up in connection with your account.

For me it is big problem for merit system and it is one from reasons why i write in this thread.

Banning account trading will give moderators power to permanent ban everyone who is involved. If Account farmers will have permission to do what they do, i'm sure that they will find way to bypass merit system. Actually i already wrote that, so you can go back to my previous post, where is example and what i think about that. So, YES, in my opinion we should to discuss that in merit/rank topic.  

, and certainly there also would be less hacked accounts. I think that Theymos one more time should consider to ban this.

You seem to be both repeating a point that you already made and NOT making such point very clearly.  Buying/selling accounts is not banned; however, if the account was stolen or compromised in that kind of way, then that seems to b where there becomes an issue.  Sure Theymos could change the policy regarding having more than one account and regarding selling/trading accounts, but that does not seem to be a change that is the works, currently... and really, given your current status and situation, I doubt that your input or suggestion would carry very much weight with Theymos were he deliberating changes in such policy/practices.

If something is not clear in my point of view, please ask - We are here to discuss that.

As i wrote before, stolen/compromised accounts that is problem of security for each of us and forum administration, have not much to do with merit system.

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February 05, 2018, 11:07:07 AM
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He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

The former can, and the latter are!  I know this for a fact, because some posts which I made at “Newbie” and “Jr. Member” rank have been awarded merit retrospectively, more than a month later.  In some cases, people actually remembered them; in others, fresh readers were linked to them from another post and/or it is an open-source software release thread which gets bumped occasionally.

Following is an incomplete selection of posts I made before the start of the merit system, whilst at the bottom two ranks, which received merit long after the fact.  It is reasonable to expect that had the merit system been active in December, many of my other “Newbie” posts would have been awarded merit when they were fresh.  Note:  I first started actively posting 2017-12-01.  (I created the account 2017-03-29, then avoided this place for eight months due to the spam.)  Note also:  I ranked up to “Member” on 2018-01-30, so I started with zero merit; but on 2018-01-29, I logged in after a few weeks’ absence and found that I already had 17 merits from old posts.

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Newbie2017-12-05 20:29:09Will Bitcoin sidechains kill all altcoins?+1
Newbie2017-12-06 04:36:54Re: Bitcoin not so anonymous?+1
Newbie2017-12-06 14:00:36Re: Bitcoin not so anonymous?+2
Jr. Member2017-12-23 09:13:03Re: Pieter and Greg, Bech32, please+5
Jr. Member2017-12-25 22:29:23Bravo Charlie One: Branding Bech32 (cross-posted from bitcoin-dev with a few edits)+3
Jr. Member2017-12-29 21:54:59bech32(1) for encoding/decoding of Bech32 strings & “Bravo Charlie” Addresses+9
Jr. Member2017-12-29 23:06:31easyseed(1) secure, multilanguage tool for BIP 39 mnemonic & seed, BIP 32 xprv+4
Jr. Member2018-01-04 22:14:26Re: Keys and such like - can they be rebuilt from partial?+10

Wherefore, I agree that “newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts”; and per my experience, such newbie posts are indeed found “merit worthy” by others.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.

B4RF, does it genuinely appear to you that the account you and JayJuanGee are discussing fulfills these criteria for somebody with quality posts to contribute as a “Newbie”?  Does that look like a “well informed” person who simply has “a life outside of this forum”?

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February 05, 2018, 11:07:29 AM
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I see many quality post here but didn't have a merit. As I can say the problem will be the members who are not participating the purpose of the merit system.
You are right, a lot of quality posts, which do not get merit
and I think that got merit, only people who know each other, they reply to each other merit
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February 05, 2018, 11:14:46 AM
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I am trying to contribute more in this forum. So far I have never got a reward from anyone, even I always pay attention to every post that I make so someone will give me a merit. I think it is very difficult to get it easily, I am commenting here just to know how to make a constructive and meaningful post so that I will get merit for posts I have made. I'm sure you guys will help me in this regard, given my rank is still a member and just a few months just join the forum.

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February 05, 2018, 11:18:46 AM
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I am trying to contribute more in this forum. So far I have not got any merit from anyone, even I always pay attention to every post that I make so someone will give me a reward. I think it is very difficult to get it easily, I am commenting here just to know how to make a constructive and meaningful post so that I will get reward for posts I have made. I'm sure you guys will help me in this regard, given my rank is still a member and just a few months just join the forum.

Looking at your post history apart bounty applications you only post in off-topic. There's nothing wrong with that if you just want to collect bounties and have no interest in Bitcoin. Just don't expect to get any merit that way.

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February 05, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
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I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

how would you even know? 

You been registered about two months and you have 14 posts (13 out of 14 largely one-liner posts in the past two days).

I recall that I was on the forum for several months and attempting to interact with other members in bitcoin substantive threads, and it takes a considerable amount of time for other members to get to know you and to respond to you and to interact with your posts (more than a couple of days).

 You could hardly even have experimented with the interaction aspect of this forum if you only have 13 posts in a couple of days, right?

Yes and no.

I dont think merit should only be awarded to highly interactive posts.
He could be in the bitcoin scene since several years but just now found this forum and created an account.
Therefore newbie accounts can have a large knowledge on many topics and contribute high quality posts which should be merit worthy.

Many people here are missing that there is a life outside of this forum and the rank here is only one of many indicators how well informed someone might be about cryptos.

Who fucking gives a shit if you have a life outside of the forum and you have been a lurker on the forum for 8 years?  It does not matter, and no one is going to give you merits because you happen to be a good person in real life if they don't know what that supposed goodness is. 

Further, we don't judge you based on your many accounts and your many speculative and supposed things that were in your good intention head that you meant to say.. We only can only determine based on what is posted, and I summarized mightwalker's posting activities at the time that I read his post as largely two days, so I don't know what purpose you find, B4RF, to speculate that there could be more meritorious things there when it does not fucking matter because none of us would know about such speculative things, and even mightwalker has not even responded to declare any of these kinds of supposedly good things that he might deserve merit for.

I guess you misunderstood me.
I never tried to defend mightwalker (I havent even looked into his posts). I was just upset about the fact that you think that someone with 14 posts cant have enough knowledge to make merit worthy posts.


B4RF, does it genuinely appear to you that the account you and JayJuanGee are discussing fulfills these criteria for somebody with quality posts to contribute as a “Newbie”?  Does that look like a “well informed” person who simply has “a life outside of this forum”?

As above. I never checked his account.
But your post perfectly fits my argumentation, you were able to make quality posts as newbie which are now rewarded.
Nobody has to be a high rank member to make quality posts, any newbie account could have more knowledge in cryptos then most legendarys in this forum.
And now newbies can show this by accumulating merits.


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February 05, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
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People need to stop worry, the new Merit system is not the end of the world.
You can still shitposting away (me guilty) or make quality/helpful post.
Tired of folks being to lazy/dumb to not search for info on Merits,
counted over 60 Merits threads on the first 5 pages in Meta section.
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February 05, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
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I don't understand 100% what is merit system but through this thread,  i am able to do so.  Although it affects my ranking flow to go up,  i still think it is for the best. We can atleast minimize spamming and will be encouraged to do quality posts.  It is for the good of all and also for the new members to come,  so that when they enter the forum,  they can extract good and quality information about tge quiries on their minds.
To simplify you need to earned merit depends on your ranks needed. For example: Your currently position is Jr Member, you need to earned 10 merits before you promote into Member position. So even you have 120 activities if you can't collect merits base on your respective position, you can't ranked up. Even your activities is good for Hero Member, you can't ranked up.

It is a big challenges to us, because they need to evolve with our own. We need to shared our fruitful idea to others not shitty, because if we become contented to our position or else we can't grow up.

So take this merits systems as new challenges, cheer up for the growth of our community. I know all of them can do this.
You are correct, but how about us who have red trust, how can we ranked up? because of this negative trust most of the users can't believe and trust us. Yes merit points can given to us but the sad reality is still we can't join in some campaign. So whatever rank ups happen to us, whatever merits we received, we can't grow up because of this negative feedback appears in our accounts.
I see that your red trust are already removed, I'm happy for you, moreover you have a point regarding giving merit. Even how hard you worked if you have a red mark it is nonsense, so just continue posting sense reply or quotes to earned high numbers of merit in the future. If you do that I'm sure you ranked up so fast, also avoid posting shitty to prevent gaining red trust.
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February 05, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
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I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

Link me to few of your valuable topics and I'll +Merit them.

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February 05, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
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But your post perfectly fits my argumentation, you were able to make quality posts as newbie which are now rewarded.
Nobody has to be a high rank member to make quality posts, any newbie account could have more knowledge in cryptos then most legendarys in this forum.
And now newbies can show this by accumulating merits.

Well, then on this point, I’d say we vehemently agree!  Hah.

I’ve spent the past five days trying to tell others what you just said.  I hope that the kinds of “newbies” we want to attract will be encouraged to put the time and effort into making high-quality posts.  I also hope that the whiners will choose to cease giving this forum the gift of their noisome (and noisy) presence, for they contribute nothing else.

Cheers.


I don't know why some normal comments/topics by high rank member get contributing very much merit ? For new members like me , it's very hard to achieve merit by someone even we have valuable topics

Link me to few of your valuable topics and I'll +Merit them.

Protip: You can't.

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February 05, 2018, 01:45:38 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Guys, please help me out, I'm missing a piece of information in connection with the activity and the merit system.
If everything happens well in the near future, in a months time I'll have a chance to rank up to legendary (was working for it long time ago). In 2 activity periods, I'll have the necessary 775 activity points to have a _chance_ to rank up. I know that to become a legendary, it's different to every account, it's also possible, that I have to wait for the 1030 activity points. I guess no one can tell me how much activity points I need to have to rank up.
My question is: The necessary activity points to rank up (between 775 and 1030) are already decided when an account on this forum is created, or it's changing every day, every activity period or for whatever reason?
I'm just curious because it matters if I have to gather the remaining 464 merits in 4 weeks time (more than 100 merits per week) or just later on. Is it possible to check somewhere if I have reached the necessary activity points to rank up and I'm only waiting for the merits?
Thanks for your help!
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February 05, 2018, 01:50:17 PM
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My question is: The necessary activity points to rank up (between 775 and 1030) are already decided when an account on this forum is created, or it's changing every day, every activity period or for whatever reason?
I'm just curious because it matters if I have to gather the remaining 464 merits in 4 weeks time (more than 100 merits per week) or just later on. Is it possible to check somewhere if I have reached the necessary activity points to rank up and I'm only waiting for the merits?
Thanks for your help!

Nobody knows for sure as it has been kept secret. But the theory I have heard most is that it is based on your user ID number, so that would make it predetermined. There's not any way of checking now if you're a Legendary awaiting merit or a Legendary awaiting a random number.

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February 05, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
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I guess no one can tell me how much activity points I need to have to rank up.
I don't think that anyone can tell this, since is on a random basis.

My question is: The necessary activity points to rank up (between 775 and 1030) are already decided when an account on this forum is created, or it's changing every day, every activity period or for whatever reason?
This will be interesting also for me, but I don't think this will matter.

I'm just curious because it matters if I have to gather the remaining 464 merits in 4 weeks time (more than 100 merits per week) or just later on. Is it possible to check somewhere if I have reached the necessary activity points to rank up and I'm only waiting for the merits?

I doubt that such tool will be available to can check if you are already reached the necessary activity points. If you need 4 weeks to enter to the activity level of legendary and you want to be sure that you gonna rank-up then it's gonna be almost a merit farming. Take it slow, collect you points as you contribute to the community, at the end when you reach your 1000 Merit you will find out if you have reached the necessary activity points or not. I know it can be tempting to wait so long for it and now things have changed but hey, its like the HODL process the longer you wait the better are the results.

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February 05, 2018, 03:28:06 PM
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Hi all,

In connection with the introduction of the new antispam filter - Merits - I would like to summarize what antispam filters I have found on the Bitcointalk forum. And at the end of this post, I'll also list some other antispam filtering methods that are commonly used on forums.

So, what I've found to be currently used on Bitcointalk forum :
  • Flood control forces users to wait for an interval between making posts to the forum, thus preventing spambots from overwhelming the forum with repeated spam messages. The intervals decrease with increased rank of user.
  • CAPTCHA (visual confirmation) on forum registration page - it can help prevent spambots from carrying out automated registrations. For Bitcointalk forum, advanced CAPTCHA system is used called "Recaptcha" (images recognition), as simple captcha systems which display alphanumeric characters have proven vulnerable to optical character recognition software but those that scramble the characters appear to be far more effective.
  • Confirmation e-mails to users who registered, with activation code/link.
  • Searching engine has got an interval, after which you can search again. This interval decreases with increasing user rank.
  • Trust system - spammers can be marked with negative trust.
  • And the new Merit system

And what are some other techniques for avoiding, removing, and mitigating forum spam, used in other forums?
Some of them might be used on Bitcointalk forum as well, but they are not visible to users, so hard to say..

  • Blacklisting services such as fspamlist, StopForumSpam and BotScout keep databases of IP addresses, usernames and e-mail addresses used to post spam or register forum accounts. Forum software can query these lists and either deny posts or registration, or submit the request for human moderation.
  • Textual confirmation as an alternative to CAPTCHA in which the user answers one or more random questions to prove that he/she is not a spambot.
  • Manual registration approval by administrators for each account.
  • Denial of registration from certain domains that are a major source of spambots, or even domain extensions
  • Manual examination of new registrants for several indicators. Spammers often delay email confirmation of several hours, while humans will confirm promptly. Spambots tend to create relatively noisy user names in order to ensure uniqueness.
  • Using a search engine to investigate usernames for hits as recognized spambots on other forums.
  • Changing technical details of the forum software to confuse bots
  • Blocking posts or registrations that contain certain blacklisted words.
  • Monitoring IPs used by untrusted posters, like anonymous posts or newly registered users. A useful technique for proactive detection of well-known spammer proxies is to query a search engine for this IP. It will - show up on pages that specialize in the listing of proxies.

I wonder if you know about any other antispam filtering method used on Bitcointalk? Or any other good filtering method used on other forums, that is not mentioned above?

Have a good day !
Boris

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