ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

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[minairia3]

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

These types of things are pretty common in not only India but also in the whole subcontinent. The senior players seem to think of themselves as the best player on the whole team and sometimes they think everything will happen as they want it to happen. This is absolutely wrong and bad and also dumb behavior by the senior players of any team. The senior players are supposed to show the younger players the way of how to get better and not stand against them.

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.
And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

Well, if they are not the citizens of the country I think it's not right and probably ICC should make a rule about at least keeping the number down to at least three or four. But that will largely affect a lot of teams. I mean if we look at England I think the players that are playing for the England cricket team are officially the citizens of England so they should not have any problems.

[sovie]

Alyssa Healy is now the No.1 batter for the ODIs after winning the Cricket World Cup 2022 Player of the Tournament award. The Australian team, even its individual members, are unstoppable since they have devoted decades to women's cricket. Their success shouldn't come as a surprise, but it's inevitable. Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand continue to lead the bowlers' and allrounders' charts, respectively, throughout the Women's World Cup tournament. As the nation that used to lead in women's cricket, other countries should pay as same attention.

Alyssa Healy deserve to be player of the tournament "The 32-year-old Healy smashed 509 runs - including two hundreds and two half-centuries - across her nine matches at the World Cup, and at an intimidating strike rate of 103.66." Source
While in bowling department its England Sophie Ecclestone who stand at no 1 with 21 wickets in 9 matches, followed by Shabnim Ismail of SA with 14 wickets in 8 matches.

Alyssa Healy made her name and her nation proud. She is an inspiration for other women as well. What a spirit and courage she has shown in the tournament and Aussie team remain unbeatable is itself a wonderful thing to look at. I am thoroughly impressed by her.

[Cryptock]

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

A part form nationality, I think coming on field and playing for your country and representing your country, having a flag on you chest and singing the national anthem gives goose bumps which a person from other country might not experience. National is a national!

[sovie]

Stupid institute with their dumb rules, not to mention level of greediness.

Qualification process for ICC tournament is more like fixed campaign. Full members face virtually no hurdles at all, 80-90% teams get direct entry due to ranking and ICC make qualification process very hard for associate members. Also they don't want to increase the number of teams in the tourney (because of bad experience on revenue), which doesn't help the associate member's cause.

Subcontinent Women's teams have one thing in common, fitness standards.

The problem is ICC is not concentrating on how to make cricket great, they are concentrating on how to get more money out of this game.

Yes, we know that money might help the game become a lot of white spread and popular eventually but there are a lot of other factors which ICC is absolutely avoiding. Once I had high hopes for cricket to be a well-known sport worldwide but now I have kind of lost my hope.
I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

With advent of leagues the future of international cricket greatly revolve around these leagues now. For instance, the whole cricket take a break for complete 2 months so that IPL can be played, this means team have only ten months to complete there calendar year.
Women cricket is ignored not only by south Asian countries but rest of the world also less England, New Zealand and Australia.

[savetheFORUM]

A part form nationality – I think coming on field and playing for your country and representing your country, having a flag on you chest and singing the national anthem gives goose bumps which a person from other country might not experience. National is a national!

This was good few years back now money is big power and players never think about country they just think about money which is coming, so they can easily adopt new country and new flag on chest as right now happening in many Gulf countries and few others like Canada and Germany. But, no one can stop this even we are losing badly from Nepal and PNG which mostly have native players those are looking for better future, but it needs time to adopt this all because of less experience and poor infrastructure.

Due to marketing issues ICC never talk about this topic even they will never adopt any policy which hut these rich Gulf countries because they have some good money from here.

[mm2543363580]

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

I am 100% with you- that sas baho problem and that gossipe culture is in the blood of the sub continents people. They have so much time and energy to concentrate on all that. Looking at the people of west who are more focused on the work they are doing at the time. There is a lack of professionalism in sub continents teams . Which is one of the reasons of their failure. 

[Cryptock]

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

The point of hard work and consistency is missing too. I agree that subcontinent mindset is rather more inclining towards gossip and leg pulling. Have they concentrate on their work rather than as mentioned above sas baho daram, they can do wonder

[Theones]

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

Gulf is mostly full of workers from subcontinents. People struggle and spend their entire life struggling  and giving their best but hardly get the national rights.
People of gulf are very different people. A kind a professional and very stick in their country rules. I think it would be a better choice to keep the national spirit alive through national players and not through imported players.

[Sithara007]

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

[blatchcorn]

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

See result of this policy in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2. Oman and UAE are leading the points table while Nepal which is a good team is sitting at second last position. With this policy GCC will continue to dominate the associate teams tournaments. Don't know why Gulf countries are so fond of cricket despite the fact there is zero interest of cricket in local population.

 https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/world-cup-league-2-2019-2023-1196667/oman-vs-papua-new-guinea-75th-match-1308246/points-table-standings

[pakhitheboss]

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

[minairia3]

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

To be honest both arguments are right because obviously the system is not absolutely perfect and also the teams that did not want to play with foreign players did not make the right decision in my opinion. But anyway, we don't see what really should have been there for us to see and that is the expansion of cricket.

[JSRAW]

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

[coinism]

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

[Theones]

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

I think it is the interest of the whole nation and also the viewership which attracts the companies. Are Napali or Arabs even interested in Cricket?
As far arabs are concerned - they are in footballs. That looks very glamorous there. But in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh people are very concerned about cricket.

[JohnBitCo]

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

I think it is the interest of the whole nation and also the viewership which attracts the companies. Are Napali or Arabs even interested in Cricket?
As far arabs are concerned - they are in footballs. That looks very glamorous there. But in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh people are very concerned about cricket.

Yes, i believe that if one country is famous for some sports, it does not mean that the neighboring countries should play and take interest in the same sports. You have mentioned a good example of Saudi Arab here who often qualify for the Fifa Men's world cup but we haven't seen neighboring countries line india, pakistan or bangladesh ever qualified for the fifa WC.

[Sithara007]

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

[blatchcorn]

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

This point is very valid but discussion is useless as ICC wont listen to this. I am sure if we are aware of this fact that cricket is popular in Nepal or kenya then ICC must also be well aware of that. BCCI can help Nepal in bringing it to mainstream cricket as BCCI has big role in controlling affairs of the ICC. So far nothing positive for Nepal from any side.

[laurenB7742]

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

This point is very valid but discussion is useless as ICC wont listen to this. I am sure if we are aware of this fact that cricket is popular in Nepal or kenya then ICC must also be well aware of that. BCCI can help Nepal in bringing it to mainstream cricket as BCCI has big role in controlling affairs of the ICC. So far nothing positive for Nepal from any side.

Actually, I think that the BCCI is busy with the IPL and the ICC is busy with the bigger teams. Ultimately both of them are busy with money. And that's why I don't think ICC is serious about expanding the game at all. Otherwise, we would have seen better steps taken by the ICC. We have seen a lot of countries interested in cricket in the past which has almost disappeared from the scene. And if cricket does not have a setup like football in club competitions I don't think cricket is ever going to be that popular worldwide.