ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

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The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

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1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

[mm2543363580]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

[JSRAW]

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

[pakhitheboss]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

ODI series between WI and Netherlands will start from 31st of May which will be after IPL ends. From May 15th we do have a test cricket between Srilanka and Bangladesh. Not many players from these two countries are playing in the IPL that is why they are having this test.

[Theones]

It's not really strange. Cricket fans are not very tech savvy, they go to a field and lay down eating chips. It's not a gentleman's game it's a lazy spectator's sport. A lot has changed with the new formats limitations and the T20 mode, but its still a grill. And the only reason anyone talks about Cricket on Bitcointalk is because of signature campaigns. Not because of the game itself.
PS: Bangladesh's got nothing against a world cup winning team like SriLanka.

I understand your observation simply because your thought process is that SriLanka being a world cup winning team in 1996, Bangladesh have no chance to win against them . Have you seen any performance of Bangladesh and SriLanka recently and came to this conclusion, Yes Srilanka won the first match quite convincingly but Bangladesh was missing Shakib Al Hasan in the team and he is an integral part in the team.

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

[Sithara007]

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

[Smack That Ace]

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

As a fan of Bangladesh cricket, I feel really sad to say that this is true, and with the funding that Bangladesh receives they should have done a lot better than they are doing right now.

The truth is on the Bangladesh cricket board, everyone is just interested in money. I am not only talking about some random stuff, I am talking about every individual from top to bottom. Everyone is corrupted. And that's why the selection of players is also done through a lot of favoritism. these are some big reasons why Bangladesh is almost never doing as well as it should be.


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DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

[coinism]

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

[Sithara007]

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

There is some effort from the ICC to grow cricket in countries such as the United States. They are providing direct entry to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup. But their strategy is mostly focused on expats from South Asia and West Indies. I am not much excited in this strategy, because I always believe that unless you don't include the locals, the game may never grow in these markets. And the ICC has hardly any interest in the other major markets (China, Japan, Germany, France, Brazil, Nigeria, Italy.etc).

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Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

You need to watch the scoreboard of some of the matches that took place in Bangladesh and how they were able to defeat the touring team in the longer version will give you an idea that Bangladesh plays well in Test matches when they are in their home soil. To win while touring they need to have a much stronger team but to claim that they do not deserve Test status is not true.

[eaLiTy]

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

Looks like you are a bit confused here, how come adding more teams who does not meet the standard of Test Cricket increase the revenue of ICC. Adding more teams does not mean anything if those teams are not able to generate revenue and if there is any Cricketing nation that could increase the revenue they would have increased their infrastructure and improved their game .

[Sithara007]

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

Looks like you are a bit confused here, how come adding more teams who does not meet the standard of Test Cricket increase the revenue of ICC. Adding more teams does not mean anything if those teams are not able to generate revenue and if there is any Cricketing nation that could increase the revenue they would have increased their infrastructure and improved their game .

Adding more teams to international cricket can improve the revenue situation for the ICC. If the native players are taking part, then there will be genuine uptick in popularity of cricket and viewership figures will increase. This will in turn result in more TV and sponsorship revenues. But all this takes a few years time, if not decades. The problem with ICC is that they completely ignored the requests to popularize the game for the last two decades, and now if they want to do this, they need to start from the scratch.

[blatchcorn]

There is some effort from the ICC to grow cricket in countries such as the United States. They are providing direct entry to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup. But their strategy is mostly focused on expats from South Asia and West Indies. I am not much excited in this strategy, because I always believe that unless you don't include the locals, the game may never grow in these markets. And the ICC has hardly any interest in the other major markets (China, Japan, Germany, France, Brazil, Nigeria, Italy.etc).

Cricket is liked by South Asian mostly rest of the countries like NZ, Aus have interest in other sports also they are not solely crazy for cricket. There are millions of immigrants in USA from South Asia and now they have 2nd and 3rd generation born and grown up in USA. Team of USA is different then what gulf countries are doing.

[coinism]

Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

You need to watch the scoreboard of some of the matches that took place in Bangladesh and how they were able to defeat the touring team in the longer version will give you an idea that Bangladesh plays well in Test matches when they are in their home soil. To win while touring they need to have a much stronger team but to claim that they do not deserve Test status is not true.

Please show us stats of how many times they won at home. With few test matches win at home in 22 years doesn't mean that Bangladesh is strong team at home. They have proper domestic setup and have there T20 league but still they are most of the time at bottom of icc rankings.

[JSRAW]

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

ICC very much interested in increasing the revenue that's why they lobbied hard for at least one ICC tournament every year. Problem is they only want to milk the Indian market, for example deliberately trying to push ICC media rights auction before IPL's media auction.

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

At start there is a possibility that it won't be profitable because you have to subsidise new participants. Also it could turn into financial disaster (like 2007), plus bit dull tournament at times due to mis-matched fixtures but in a longer run it could solve many problems because cricketing market would mature in those new countries, given ICC playing its cards right (like involving locals, publicity etc) but for this to happen ICC have to bite the bullet.   

[coinism]

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

You cant simply create quality T20 team from no where. Unless you have a domestic setup where test and odi is played only then you can create a T20I team. The problem is new countries are not willing to join in and teams of usa, uae, germany are made up of immigrants from South Asia.

[Maidak]

There is some effort from the ICC to grow cricket in countries such as the United States. They are providing direct entry to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup. But their strategy is mostly focused on expats from South Asia and West Indies. I am not much excited in this strategy, because I always believe that unless you don't include the locals, the game may never grow in these markets. And the ICC has hardly any interest in the other major markets (China, Japan, Germany, France, Brazil, Nigeria, Italy.etc).

Cricket is liked by South Asian mostly rest of the countries like NZ, Aus have interest in other sports also they are not solely crazy for cricket. There are millions of immigrants in USA from South Asia and now they have 2nd and 3rd generation born and grown up in USA. Team of USA is different then what gulf countries are doing.

This is not going to be a popular opinion but I somehow think that the people in southeast Asia are a little bit lifeless because they are absolutely obsessed with cricket and they don't even try to play or watch any other Sports.

A lot of people don't even know in Southeast Asia that the NBA is generating a lot more money than cricket right now. But I honestly think that if cricket can be popularized in the USA it can be a Revolutionary step for cricket in the long run. and obviously, the people in the USA are just not interested in only one sport. so cricket can have a big fan following there.

[JSRAW]

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

You cant simply create quality T20 team from no where. Unless you have a domestic setup where test and odi is played only then you can create a T20I team. The problem is new countries are not willing to join in and teams of usa, uae, germany are made up of immigrants from South Asia.

Fair amount of associate nations have some sort of domestic setup. Not perfect but set up is there, which facilitate different types of Amateur leagues. Test and T-20 format are completely different beasts and requires different types of skillset. Shorter format is easier to adapt in comparison to Test format, that's why random countries regularly play T-10 or T-20 instead of 4day test match.