ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Maidak]

There could be a situation where a player wants to play cricket for his national team but it is not going to be good enough to play for India, Bangladesh, or Pakistan. So maybe he can see this as an opportunity for himself to play cricket professionally even though he knows that the same is not going to be there. so probably some people might take a chance in this way and the people living in these countries have some good general ideas about how to play cricket so they don't have to struggle too much in there.

If an Indian or Pakistani player is not fortunate enough to get selected for his national team, then he always have the option of playing for some of the franchise T20 teams that are located outside his country. The solution is not to play for another national team. Right now, more than 50% of the "national" teams in cricket are entirely made up of foreigners (especially those in Europe and the GCC region). Obviously the player always has the option of undergoing naturalization and getting the passport from his newly adopted country. But for that he need to wait for a few years. Those who play for GCC right now doesn't even have a valid visa.

That has to be taken care of by the management, right?

But, I think there might be a problem because I am quite sure that ICC gets good enough money from these countries and I don't think they are going to risk not getting that money by making some new rules about it. 

I really don't like the idea of making the whole team with foreigners, because that means if you have the money you are going to be able to do almost anything, and that shouldn't be the case because you should be able to get good enough players in your own country.  having the whole team built up with foreigners just takes away the idea of scouting and building up any young players.

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One reason is that cricket is not liked by majority of the world, this is clear from participation of countries in cricket. Test and ODI take too much time to complete that's why people don't like it. T20 is exciting but it will take some time. Only people migrating from south Asia are introducing cricket to country where they are migrating.

It's not about cricket being liked or not, we know that a lot of countries in the world are still living under the poverty line. And we all know that cricket does cost a fair amount of money and I think that might it cause some problems.

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[laurenB7742]

And the bigger problem is ICC is not going to do anything that takes away the supply of money. I am quite sure that these teams which play with a lot of outsiders have really good enough money to give ICC and it will be a big loss for ICC to make any rules against them.

So, I don't think we are going to get any clear-cut solution for this problem and the smaller teams are surely going to suffer from this.

You are right about ICC and their way of work they have never been helpful for countries with native talent because they feel it needs some good funds which are not available and on other side GCC countries are enough rich, and they are investing funds for this and having players from subcontinent and other developing countries which are helping them for their representation into ICC events.

Sometime back there was a suggestion that fix number of players from other countries and support native players for every country but this all fail because ICC need money, and it's only available for them from GCC which is very important, so this suggestion was also scraped most chances we will never have any solution for this and these countries will take good advantage of this all.

ICC is not the best sports body. at least they haven't done anything for us to believe that they are.
The situation that ICC is in right now also considering the situation of cricket around the whole world, I really don't think that it is going to change. Because obviously for something to change there needs to be some discussion about it by the top cricket playing Nations and I don't think they are going to do something like that because they are heavily favored by the ICC.
Unless people start thinking about actual cricket I don't think anything is going to change.

[jostorres]

One reason is that cricket is not liked by majority of the world, this is clear from participation of countries in cricket. Test and ODI take too much time to complete that's why people don't like it. T20 is exciting but it will take some time. Only people migrating from south Asia are introducing cricket to country where they are migrating.

There is no doubt now with the introduction of T10 and T20 cricket is taking some good intention around the world, and they need to act quickly for his popularity and need to bring some good and solid rules as well, but sadly ICC has never been good place for these things they have their own agenda, and they are doing things just for this. As right now adopted player's problem is going if they have not acted like they need to do this then surely they will miss a bright opportunity once again, and we will have no good results from these franchise and these short formats which must for better and good future of the game of cricket.

Recently workers from subcontinent are doing very good for cricket in the Middle East but still it's not going to be had some good result from local peoples because they have not interest like they are going into soccer.

[Sithara007]

Recently workers from subcontinent are doing very good for cricket in the Middle East but still it's not going to be had some good result from local peoples because they have not interest like they are going into soccer.

There are native players in GCC nations as well, but they get overlooked due to influx of experienced players from South Asia. An example of a GCC nation playing with 100% citizens can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

As you can see, all of their players were native Arabs. So it is not impossible to find native players to represent these countries. But the ICC criteria allows teams to be made of 100% foreigners, and the funding is based on how the team performs at international level. If the performance is weak, then the team will be left with hardly any funds (similar to the case with Nepal or PNG).

[coinism]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

This is scorecard from 2014 match and the whole Kuwait team (mostly native players) got out on just 21 runs. I don't think these players have any interest in cricket may be they were just sent to have fun. If these players have any passion for cricket they should have avoid this humiliation, there is very little interest of cricket in native citizens of GCC.   

[Juggy777]

Recently workers from subcontinent are doing very good for cricket in the Middle East but still it's not going to be had some good result from local peoples because they have not interest like they are going into soccer.

There are native players in GCC nations as well, but they get overlooked due to influx of experienced players from South Asia. An example of a GCC nation playing with 100% citizens can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

As you can see, all of their players were native Arabs. So it is not impossible to find native players to represent these countries. But the ICC criteria allows teams to be made of 100% foreigners, and the funding is based on how the team performs at international level. If the performance is weak, then the team will be left with hardly any funds (similar to the case with Nepal or PNG).

This is scorecard from 2014 match and the whole Kuwait team (mostly native players) got out on just 21 runs. I don't think these players have any interest in cricket may be they were just sent to have fun. If these players have any passion for cricket they should have avoid this humiliation, there is very little interest of cricket in native citizens of GCC.   

@Sithara007 I wasn’t even aware of this rule, and never heard of this match before which shows how little importance this team got. @coinism you’re right maybe those player’s didn’t really have any interest back then, but in the long run I hope that they’ll make a concrete effort to take part in big tournaments and cause some upsets by beating the big teams.

[minairia3]

Recently workers from subcontinent are doing very good for cricket in the Middle East but still it's not going to be had some good result from local peoples because they have not interest like they are going into soccer.

There are native players in GCC nations as well, but they get overlooked due to influx of experienced players from South Asia. An example of a GCC nation playing with 100% citizens can be found here:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard
As you can see, all of their players were native Arabs. So it is not impossible to find native players to represent these countries. But the ICC criteria allows teams to be made of 100% foreigners, and the funding is based on how the team performs at international level. If the performance is weak, then the team will be left with hardly any funds (similar to the case with Nepal or PNG).

This is scorecard from 2014 match and the whole Kuwait team (mostly native players) got out on just 21 runs. I don't think these players have any interest in cricket may be they were just sent to have fun. If these players have any passion for cricket they should have avoid this humiliation, there is very little interest of cricket in native citizens of GCC.   

@Sithara007 I wasn’t even aware of this rule, and never heard of this match before which shows how little importance this team got. @coinism you’re right maybe those player’s didn’t really have any interest back then, but in the long run I hope that they’ll make a concrete effort to take part in big tournaments and cause some upsets by beating the big teams.

In my opinion, there could be another reason why this is happening. The people in Arab are really fond of ease and they are someone who will try to gain money by making or letting someone else play rather than playing by themselves. And when better players are playing in the field there will be a lot more revenue generated. I really think ICC should make some rules about this situation otherwise a lot of countries that genuinely have some talent might just not make it.

It is more important for ICC to create interest in people about cricket because cricket is certainly losing its popularity day by day and if the countries which have enough money to play foreign players in their country are just going to do the same thing I think the popularity might just be decreasing.

[Sithara007]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

This is scorecard from 2014 match and the whole Kuwait team (mostly native players) got out on just 21 runs. I don't think these players have any interest in cricket may be they were just sent to have fun. If these players have any passion for cricket they should have avoid this humiliation, there is very little interest of cricket in native citizens of GCC.   

Why should anyone play cricket, if they don't have any interest? I don't want to make assumptions. Yes.. they got out for just 21 runs. But for most of the players, it was their first international cricket match. The test nations are not much better either? Remember the match between West Indies and England in 2019, when the former got blown away for just 45 runs? They can improve their game only with more experience and we should not judge them based on just one match. Getting out for 21 runs, with a team that is 100% Arab is more preferable than scoring 210 runs with a team that is comprised entirely of foreigners.

[blatchcorn]

Why should anyone play cricket, if they don't have any interest? I don't want to make assumptions. Yes.. they got out for just 21 runs. But for most of the players, it was their first international cricket match. The test nations are not much better either? Remember the match between West Indies and England in 2019, when the former got blown away for just 45 runs? They can improve their game only with more experience and we should not judge them based on just one match. Getting out for 21 runs, with a team that is 100% Arab is more preferable than scoring 210 runs with a team that is comprised entirely of foreigners.

That's what icc needs to think which they are not. There are teams like Uganda also which have 100% native players, icc must give more funds to such associate teams rather then wasting money on team of expats. Countries with team of expats are rich and influential that's why icc don't bother much about this aspect.

[coinism]

In my opinion, there could be another reason why this is happening. The people in Arab are really fond of ease and they are someone who will try to gain money by making or letting someone else play rather than playing by themselves. And when better players are playing in the field there will be a lot more revenue generated. I really think ICC should make some rules about this situation otherwise a lot of countries that genuinely have some talent might just not make it.

It is more important for ICC to create interest in people about cricket because cricket is certainly losing its popularity day by day and if the countries which have enough money to play foreign players in their country are just going to do the same thing I think the popularity might just be decreasing.

In UAE total population is just 20% rest are all expats. Arabs do nothing by themselves rather outsource all there work to expats. But this is not the case with football as fifa don't allow such funny things. In fifa world cup KSA team is composed to 100% native people. Its only in cricket such fun is going on.

[minairia3]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

This is scorecard from 2014 match and the whole Kuwait team (mostly native players) got out on just 21 runs. I don't think these players have any interest in cricket may be they were just sent to have fun. If these players have any passion for cricket they should have avoid this humiliation, there is very little interest of cricket in native citizens of GCC.   

Why should anyone play cricket, if they don't have any interest? I don't want to make assumptions. Yes.. they got out for just 21 runs. But for most of the players, it was their first international cricket match. The test nations are not much better either? Remember the match between West Indies and England in 2019, when the former got blown away for just 45 runs? They can improve their game only with more experience and we should not judge them based on just one match. Getting out for 21 runs, with a team that is 100% Arab is more preferable than scoring 210 runs with a team that is comprised entirely of foreigners.

Probably the Arabs don't see it that way because certainly, they don't want to risk facing a humiliation like that again in my opinion. That's why they are not making the team with native players.
But, I don't understand the point of making a whole team with all the foreigners because it is not making their country proud in my opinion. I guess they are more interested in money rather than  Pride.

[Sithara007]

In UAE total population is just 20% rest are all expats. Arabs do nothing by themselves rather outsource all there work to expats. But this is not the case with football as fifa don't allow such funny things. In fifa world cup KSA team is composed to 100% native people. Its only in cricket such fun is going on.

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

[minairia3]

In UAE total population is just 20% rest are all expats. Arabs do nothing by themselves rather outsource all there work to expats. But this is not the case with football as fifa don't allow such funny things. In fifa world cup KSA team is composed to 100% native people. Its only in cricket such fun is going on.

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

As far as I know with all the other sports the players have to get the citizenship of a country to actually represent that country in any international stage of any sports.
So, I don't know why I see they have not looked into this matter and made some rules about solving this. I know that they are getting quite a lot of money from those countries and they don't want any trouble in my opinion. But an international team cannot just be made out of all foreigners and not even one native player.

[blatchcorn]

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

[doomloop]

Probably the Arabs don't see it that way because certainly, they don't want to risk facing a humiliation like that again in my opinion. That's why they are not making the team with native players.
But, I don't understand the point of making a whole team with all the foreigners because it is not making their country proud in my opinion. I guess they are more interested in money rather than  Pride.

Here is no matter of humiliation because if they started from grassroots then surely they can be done some better job but here matter is just motivation and better finances for local players which is not available in cricket but having some good in other sports as many leagues are giving some good facilities for them.

Just start from schools and then settle things with domestic levels, and they can do these in very better way with the latest technology and better facilities which help them for better growth.

If players do some good practices then surely they can avoid this humiliation and perform very good on all levels practices makes perfect, it's simple rule in life and sports. In GCC youths are not bad enough just Kuwait was out of practice, and they face result like this otherwise they can perform better than this result.

[Emitdama]

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

I am laughing after reading your this post because you are saying someone from ICC read this thread and act in this way surely it's joke because they all well know about this issue but still can't do anything because money is big power in current corporate world, and they are enjoying some good benefits from these GCC countries, so they will never been act in this case for nearly one decade after this I have no idea which will happen currently ICC is not a sports authority it's just all about money machine for few boards and use case for their political use nothing else positive can happen.

Recently we have some good popularity in cricket due to franchise cricket and T20 but still it's not good enough for ICC to have some fair tactics for all boards they are hijacked in few hands, and they are taking some good advantage with this all situation.

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Recently we have some good popularity in cricket due to franchise cricket and T20 but still it's not good enough for ICC to have some fair tactics for all boards they are hijacked in few hands, and they are taking some good advantage with this all situation.

I am hearing these theories for a long time that the ICC is hijacked and they only favor three countries, So what do you think in your opinion will make a drastic change and improve the overall situation. Do they support the countries that give them the maximum benefit and share or do they need to shut down the revenue system and do something else to raise money ? What is the idle situation?

[Sithara007]

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

[blatchcorn]

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

If they are businessman then they should know how to increase the business i.e. grow business which is the only way cricket can get more money. What's the criteria of selecting ICC top officials, anyone in the world can become part of ICC executive body or there is some criteria for it.

[minairia3]

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

If they are businessman then they should know how to increase the business i.e. grow business which is the only way cricket can get more money. What's the criteria of selecting ICC top officials, anyone in the world can become part of ICC executive body or there is some criteria for it.

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.