2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[samcrypto]

If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.

Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team.

It takes a good team to win of course, just like in NBA with the golden state, Curry can’t bring the crown for their team alone. SMB probably see a big opportunity with the other player and probably they are trying to make the team more fresh on this up coming conference, let’s just see the final imports of the team they have to contribute since its their job in the first place.

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[Vaculin]

If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.

Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team.

It takes a good team to win of course, just like in NBA with the golden state, Curry can’t bring the crown for their team alone. SMB probably see a big opportunity with the other player and probably they are trying to make the team more fresh on this up coming conference, let’s just see the final imports of the team they have to contribute since its their job in the first place.

The good thing about the imports in the PBA is they can replace them easily even if the conference is still ongoing, I some instances in the past when an import does not meet the expectations of the team management and they can just replace with a new one, maybe they already have some back up in case things like that would happen.

[Finestream]

If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.

Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team.

It takes a good team to win of course, just like in NBA with the golden state, Curry can’t bring the crown for their team alone. SMB probably see a big opportunity with the other player and probably they are trying to make the team more fresh on this up coming conference, let’s just see the final imports of the team they have to contribute since its their job in the first place.

The good thing about the imports in the PBA is they can replace them easily even if the conference is still ongoing, I some instances in the past when an import does not meet the expectations of the team management and they can just replace with a new one, maybe they already have some back up in case things like that would happen.

Same here, I saw that kind of scenario in the past, I think the rules will be the same because not only if the imports did not perform as expected, they can also change the import if an injury happens, and that would be unfair to a team playing without an import, they will never gonna give a competitive basketball will all filipino roster.

[Fredomago]

I think TNT does not need to touch their roster, they have all the players they needed to win another championship.

Wiliams their rookie always play like an import, so they look like they have 2 imports playing which makes their team better compared to the others. I know that Ginebra will be the favorites to win this coming conference due to Brownlee but I have a feeling that TNT will not easily give that to them as they are more confident now, especially for players like Pogoy, Rosario, and others who won their first championship.

Both Rosario and Poguy are playing tough when the team needed them, they just allow Williams to care of the business but when the time that Williams needs help from his big Bro these two are ready to fire up and back Williams to continue dominating, we have seen them playing as a team and not just a Castro centered team.

The improvement of having coach Chot back, his mentorships provide inspiration to the team. We question back then why Williams is getting minutes during the early season of the Bubble.

We saw why he trusts his rookie and deserves that minute. He brings the title for this franchise and he will continue with the help of his teammates.

I hope to see the same explosive Williams that could easily provide points for the team, with the imports added it could affect his production but he will continue to be a threat because they can't double him when as that would open up the shooters of the TNT plus they have imports that are also good.

McKenzie Moore has not played with the NBA as we can see in his resume.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/mckenzie-moore-1.html

However, I know that he is good, otherwise TNT would not get him.

More dangerous, since aside from William's , Poguy also has that same caliber, they just can't double anyone, as giving free shots to anybody inside the court will easily be converted. That super rookie really has that advantage, though I also see the possibilities that his number will be lesser since import mostly take more shots than the regular players.

We can't conclude yet if what are the capabilities of each import and how they will help the teams 🤔

[LogitechMouse]

After trading Arwind Santos to NorthPort for Vic Manuel, here is another bigtime trade coming from SMB.
They traded Alex Cabagnot, one of the "Death 5" to TerraFirma for Simon Enciso.

https://cnnphilippines.com/sports/2021/11/13/Cabagnot-Enciso-trade.html

League powerhouse San Miguel Beermen parted ways with another veteran player as they shipped guard Alex Cabagnot to Terrafirma Dyip in exchange for Simon Enciso.

The Philippine Basketball Association Commissioner’s Office approved the trade on Saturday.

Who is the winner with this trade? Its hard to know at least for me since both of the teams have benefits with this trade. For TerraFirma, we know how good Cabagnot is in terms of leadership. He can share his experience to the young players of Dyip and can be a good leader to them as well like what he is doing when he is still in SMB. While for Enciso, he will be a good bench shooter like Pessumal. He will be a good addition since they have many 3point shooters already.

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

[mirakal]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

[Russlenat]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

Cabagnot is already an accomplished player, he already won a championship several times with the SMB so for sure he will accept the decision of the management to trade him. AFAIK, Cabagnot has a passion for coaching too, so maybe after his time in the PBA as a player, he will retire and be a coach, probably just like Jimmy Alapag.

His arrival with the Terraferma is good, they have some young talents, they just need veteran to help them more confident and I'm sure Cabagnot would do that for them.

[LogitechMouse]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

Yeah TBH I already expected this as well and I think that they themselves also expected this too since they are old already and we know how SMB works with regards to trading.
They've made controversial trades back in the years. The likes of Danny Siegle, Danny I, Caidic are some of the players that they traded even though they have great contribution to the team.

I will not be surprised too if Ross and Lassiter will be traded to other teams as well. I'm not expecting Fajardo to be traded as he can still play for at least 2-3 years with the team.

[Yamifoud]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

Yeah TBH I already expected this as well and I think that they themselves also expected this too since they are old already and we know how SMB works with regards to trading.
They've made controversial trades back in the years. The likes of Danny Siegle, Danny I, Caidic are some of the players that they traded even though they have great contribution to the team.

I will not be surprised too if Ross and Lassiter will be traded to other teams as well. I'm not expecting Fajardo to be traded as he can still play for at least 2-3 years with the team.

That was only one bad conference and they decided to trade some players, I think it's not fair as these veterans contributed big time during the times when the SMB won championships. BGSM is different from SMB because they value their veterans, they even keep Mark Caguioa until now and Jayjay Helterbrand were given a chance to retire in Ginebra.

[Fredomago]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

All for the sake of their franchise, SMB needs to break that "Death 5" they are no longer materializing and with the threats of younger opponents, they need to adjust and make sure that they are competitive enough to continue chasing more titles. After that game 7 loss to TNT, management sees the big difference, they are no longer dominating.

The rotation of players inside the court is more on this death 5 squad, putting new face needs a lot of adjustment, though I'm not sure if they will get good benefits in acquiring Enciso, he's also not on his prime, maybe they are just acquiring him for another trade. 

[Hypnosis00]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

All for the sake of their franchise, SMB needs to break that "Death 5" they are no longer materializing and with the threats of younger opponents, they need to adjust and make sure that they are competitive enough to continue chasing more titles. After that game 7 loss to TNT, management sees the big difference, they are no longer dominating.

The rotation of players inside the court is more on this death 5 squad, putting new face needs a lot of adjustment, though I'm not sure if they will get good benefits in acquiring Enciso, he's also not on his prime, maybe they are just acquiring him for another trade. 

Enciso is still 30 years old, he got a good game also as he is a good shooter, so most probably the SMB will keep him even though he might not be in the starting 5. I'm sure the SMB knows what they are doing, they destroy the death 5 because it's already time to give the younger players a chance to play to compete a good team like the TNT.

[bisdak40]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

This is like SMC's indirect way of saying to their players to retire as you are old in this game already  .

Those players involved, I think they already knew that one day this would come. One good thing about this is that they still earn some money before they finally retire. Give chance to the young players to shine, many of them are now playing overseas while a lot of 38's to 40's are still banging bodies in the PBA lol.

Wonder what's the real score of Mark Caguiao in the Gin King's roster, is he retired?

[harizen]

I think I have mentioned it before that some guys from the Terrafirma might end up in one of the SMC teams and it happened now. If you guys remember, when PBA restarts, Terrafirma surprises everyone with their performance beating some of the top teams in the league.

And that's the start of targeting those players. As we know SMC, they are always willing to give up players in exchange of young ones, regardless if that player helps the franchise win championships.

[agustina2]

I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?

Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.

I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.

Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.

All for the sake of their franchise, SMB needs to break that "Death 5" they are no longer materializing and with the threats of younger opponents, they need to adjust and make sure that they are competitive enough to continue chasing more titles. After that game 7 loss to TNT, management sees the big difference, they are no longer dominating.

SMB is spending big on their players that's why it's understandable that for the sake of the franchise they need to build a roster that can catch up with other teams especially since most of their main players are now close to retirement. I don't see any wrong move by the SMB here and the goal of having Enciso is to have an extra space at their team's cap.

They have another big target and they aren't finished yet. I'm sure of that. Stay tuned!

[mirakal]

They have another big target and they aren't finished yet. I'm sure of that. Stay tuned!

If it's from the starting 5, I think Chris Ross and Marcio Lassiter will not be traded as they are consistent and good shooters of the team. Chris Ross alone can minimize the output of Mikey Williams, so this guy will stay for sure. I think they are done already, if they'll continue to trade it must not be coming from the starting 5.

[Russlenat]

They have another big target and they aren't finished yet. I'm sure of that. Stay tuned!

If it's from the starting 5, I think Chris Ross and Marcio Lassiter will not be traded as they are consistent and good shooters of the team. Chris Ross alone can minimize the output of Mikey Williams, so this guy will stay for sure. I think they are done already, if they'll continue to trade it must not be coming from the starting 5.

They are only trading old players, these two players you mentioned are still young.

Marcio Lassiter - 34 years old
Chris Ross - 36 years

while JMF is still 31 years old.

Without Cabagnot, the younger players will now have a chance to play more minutes.
As far as I can see, SMB is trusting Romeo to carry the team and I also like to see CJ Perez be more productive this new season.

[mirakal]

They have another big target and they aren't finished yet. I'm sure of that. Stay tuned!

If it's from the starting 5, I think Chris Ross and Marcio Lassiter will not be traded as they are consistent and good shooters of the team. Chris Ross alone can minimize the output of Mikey Williams, so this guy will stay for sure. I think they are done already, if they'll continue to trade it must not be coming from the starting 5.

They are only trading old players, these two players you mentioned are still young.

Marcio Lassiter - 34 years old
Chris Ross - 36 years

while JMF is still 31 years old.

Without Cabagnot, the younger players will now have a chance to play more minutes.
As far as I can see, SMB is trusting Romeo to carry the team and I also like to see CJ Perez be more productive this new season.

My guess would be the starting five SMB are as follows.

June Mar Fajardo - Center
Vic Manuel - Forward
Marcio Lassiter - Guard
Terrence Romeo- Guard
Chris Ross - Guard.

JMF, VIC, and Lassiter are all good rebounders so they can still dominate the rebounding department.

As we can see in the last conference, the opposing team loves to double JMF, that's where Manuel will be more effective.

[bisdak40]

My guess would be the starting five SMB are as follows.

June Mar Fajardo - Center
Vic Manuel - Forward
Marcio Lassiter - Guard
Terrence Romeo- Guard
Chris Ross - Guard.

JMF, VIC, and Lassiter are all good rebounders so they can still dominate the rebounding department.

As we can see in the last conference, the opposing team loves to double JMF, that's where Manuel will be more effective.

With Vic Manuel playing alongside Fajardo, the painted lane will be too crowded as Manuel loves to muscle his way to the basket, unlike Arwind Santos who just roamed around the rainbow whenever there is a double on the Kraken so I guess it's a double-edged sword on having Manuel on the roster of SMB.

On the other hand, as we can see last conference where coach Leo Austria experimented on Mo and Junemar playing in the middle where Mo was the recipient on most of the assist from Junemar whenever there is a double on him so let us see what combination would work best for them.

[Fredomago]

My guess would be the starting five SMB are as follows.

June Mar Fajardo - Center
Vic Manuel - Forward
Marcio Lassiter - Guard
Terrence Romeo- Guard
Chris Ross - Guard.

JMF, VIC, and Lassiter are all good rebounders so they can still dominate the rebounding department.

As we can see in the last conference, the opposing team loves to double JMF, that's where Manuel will be more effective.

With Vic Manuel playing alongside Fajardo, the painted lane will be too crowded as Manuel loves to muscle his way to the basket, unlike Arwind Santos who just roamed around the rainbow whenever there is a double on the Kraken so I guess it's a double-edged sword on having Manuel on the roster of SMB.

On the other hand, as we can see last conference where coach Leo Austria experimented on Mo and Junemar playing in the middle where Mo was the recipient on most of the assist from Junemar whenever there is a double on him so let us see what combination would work best for them.

I see that combo was effective enough for them, Mo' making good numbers when being paired with Fajardo. Now, adding another good player down inside means more threat. Starting 5 might Fajardo,Manuel,Perez,Romeo and Ross, this 5 are complete package if they will find the rhythm together. Marcio and Mo' can come out from the bench and bring more energy.

Interesting to see if how Manuel will suit himself inside SMB, now that he's playing with a new coach and teammates

Did the type of talent he have will give SMB a good lift, or the team will still design their play with Fajardo?

[agustina2]

They have another big target and they aren't finished yet. I'm sure of that. Stay tuned!

If it's from the starting 5, I think Chris Ross and Marcio Lassiter will not be traded as they are consistent and good shooters of the team. Chris Ross alone can minimize the output of Mikey Williams, so this guy will stay for sure. I think they are done already, if they'll continue to trade it must not be coming from the starting 5.

SMB is trading a player with age as the main reason. They did it too on their other owned teams.

Chris Ross and Marcio Lassiter are safe. Aside from showing they still have that skills, they are not yet on the retirement age.

They will trade another player but not from the main.

My guess would be the starting five SMB are as follows.

June Mar Fajardo - Center
Vic Manuel - Forward
Marcio Lassiter - Guard
Terrence Romeo- Guard
Chris Ross - Guard.

That will be the starting lineup if All-Filipino Conference.

But if Governors Cup will be the next conference, Vic Manuel will be bench support for June Mar Fajardo.