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Question: What team will win the PBA 2021 All Filipino Conference?
Barangay Ginebra - 15 (45.5%)
SMB - 7 (21.2%)
Magnolia Hotshots - 4 (12.1%)
Talk and Text - 6 (18.2%)
Phoenix Fuel Masters - 1 (3%)
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October 13, 2021, 09:58:52 PM
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SMB tried to make a rally in the 4th quarter but it wasn't enough, TNT made sure they will not anymore have another heartbreaking loss and with their dominance in the game, they were able to take the lead in the series, one game away and TNT will advance in the Finals.

Are we gonna see a game 7 here?

With things going on here. I mean the see-saw battle and the pattern of the game, most probably we will see a do or die game 7 in this series. But with the addition of Kelly Williams in the line-up, TNT is stronger a notch and that makes me think that this could be it, TNT will go to the finals.

I just don't know what happen to the gunners of SMB, seems that they can't find their mark in the rainbow area while it was the opposite scenario on the TNT side where they were draining buckets like it's only free throws  Smiley. If TNT continues its high percentage goal in that area then there's no way SMB could bounce back but it's a good thing also as we will see an SMC vs MVP company in the finals.

TNT's defense is clicking, because they are quicker, it's easier for them to double anyone who they think is a threat in the offense. JMF is could not dominate the paint, he made a double-double last game but the impact was not there yet, I mean, if Fajardo would be consistent scoring inside, that would open up more opportunity for the outside shooters to position themselves well as JMF will be doubled.

Anyway, there's still one game for them to even the series, it's hard to criticize what they did when suddenly they will bounce back and dominate again this time in game 6.
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October 14, 2021, 12:15:05 AM
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SMB tried to make a rally in the 4th quarter but it wasn't enough, TNT made sure they will not anymore have another heartbreaking loss and with their dominance in the game, they were able to take the lead in the series, one game away and TNT will advance in the Finals.

Are we gonna see a game 7 here?

With things going on here. I mean the see-saw battle and the pattern of the game, most probably we will see a do or die game 7 in this series. But with the addition of Kelly Williams in the line-up, TNT is stronger a notch and that makes me think that this could be it, TNT will go to the finals.

I just don't know what happen to the gunners of SMB, seems that they can't find their mark in the rainbow area while it was the opposite scenario on the TNT side where they were draining buckets like it's only free throws  Smiley. If TNT continues its high percentage goal in that area then there's no way SMB could bounce back but it's a good thing also as we will see an SMC vs MVP company in the finals.

TNT's defense is clicking, because they are quicker, it's easier for them to double anyone who they think is a threat in the offense. JMF is could not dominate the paint, he made a double-double last game but the impact was not there yet, I mean, if Fajardo would be consistent scoring inside, that would open up more opportunity for the outside shooters to position themselves well as JMF will be doubled.

Anyway, there's still one game for them to even the series, it's hard to criticize what they did when suddenly they will bounce back and dominate again this time in game 6.
Williams played, Erram played and the team played well. A well deserved win for the TNT.
JMF can be stopped inside by using double team and what's good with TNT is that if JMF will pass it, the defenders are always rotating so that SMB will still have a hard time shooting the ball. On the other hand if JMF will try to push it, it will be hard for him to get points. Yes he might get rebounds but it is defensive rebounds or he might get some offensive ones but still, he can be stopped inside.

I think that this will go into a 7 game series but TNT will win the series. I'm an SMB fan still but just see the roster of TNT. Their starters are one of the best in the league right now and their bench is too deep that you can create a decent 5 man team with them. They are also one of the best defensive teams. I think that they will be the ones who will get the championship now too Cheesy.

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October 14, 2021, 02:12:08 AM
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Williams played, Erram played and the team played well. A well deserved win for the TNT.
JMF can be stopped inside by using double team and what's good with TNT is that if JMF will pass it, the defenders are always rotating so that SMB will still have a hard time shooting the ball. On the other hand if JMF will try to push it, it will be hard for him to get points. Yes he might get rebounds but it is defensive rebounds or he might get some offensive ones but still, he can be stopped inside.

I think that this will go into a 7 game series but TNT will win the series. I'm an SMB fan still but just see the roster of TNT. Their starters are one of the best in the league right now and their bench is too deep that you can create a decent 5 man team with them. They are also one of the best defensive teams. I think that they will be the ones who will get the championship now too Cheesy.

Same with what SMB did last game 4 where all the stars help to establish their big leads from start to finish off the game,

TNT brings the same dose of medicine where they are been dominated by SMB, this time they showcase there
own versions of "PWersang Mama" Pogoy and Castro coming out from the bench, very effective, giving Montalbo and Reyes good time to play.

A good coach like Chot Reyes, what do we expect after that game 4 loss, he master the strategy and to bring it back to SMB showing that his team
also capable of running and bringing the game to high levels.
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October 14, 2021, 05:42:43 AM
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Williams played, Erram played and the team played well. A well deserved win for the TNT.
JMF can be stopped inside by using double team and what's good with TNT is that if JMF will pass it, the defenders are always rotating so that SMB will still have a hard time shooting the ball. On the other hand if JMF will try to push it, it will be hard for him to get points. Yes he might get rebounds but it is defensive rebounds or he might get some offensive ones but still, he can be stopped inside.

I think that this will go into a 7 game series but TNT will win the series. I'm an SMB fan still but just see the roster of TNT. Their starters are one of the best in the league right now and their bench is too deep that you can create a decent 5 man team with them. They are also one of the best defensive teams. I think that they will be the ones who will get the championship now too Cheesy.

Same with what SMB did last game 4 where all the stars help to establish their big leads from start to finish off the game,

TNT brings the same dose of medicine where they are been dominated by SMB, this time they showcase there
own versions of "PWersang Mama" Pogoy and Castro coming out from the bench, very effective, giving Montalbo and Reyes good time to play.

A good coach like Chot Reyes, what do we expect after that game 4 loss, he master the strategy and to bring it back to SMB showing that his team
also capable of running and bringing the game to high levels.

So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.

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October 14, 2021, 06:44:28 AM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.

Why not, we did not expect that SMB would dominate the TNT in game 4, and after that win, we also did not expect that TNT would do the same to SMB. This series has been very unpredictable, just expect the unexpected because SMB will tie the series tomorrow and we will see a game 7.

Good luck SMB and its believers.  Smiley

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October 14, 2021, 08:10:59 AM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.

Why not, we did not expect that SMB would dominate the TNT in game 4, and after that win, we also did not expect that TNT would do the same to SMB. This series has been very unpredictable, just expect the unexpected because SMB will tie the series tomorrow and we will see a game 7.

Good luck SMB and its believers.  Smiley

The line is available early, looks like the bookies would like to entertain the bets early.

Still a similar line in the previous games, SMB is 1.98 vs TNT 1.80.
I think this tells something, if the line will not move, most likely the bookies believe that TNT would end the series tomorrow, however, if the line moves in favor of SMB, this means huge money is going for SMB and bookies has no choice but to adjust their line.

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October 14, 2021, 11:32:29 AM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.

Why not, we did not expect that SMB would dominate the TNT in game 4, and after that win, we also did not expect that TNT would do the same to SMB. This series has been very unpredictable, just expect the unexpected because SMB will tie the series tomorrow and we will see a game 7.

Good luck SMB and its believers.  Smiley

The line is available early, looks like the bookies would like to entertain the bets early.

Still a similar line in the previous games, SMB is 1.98 vs TNT 1.80.
I think this tells something, if the line will not move, most likely the bookies believe that TNT would end the series tomorrow, however, if the line moves in favor of SMB, this means huge money is going for SMB and bookies has no choice but to adjust their line.

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SMB is now 2.04, and suddenly, after a good performance of the Meralco in game 5, Magnolia now is -5.5. I can't believe on the line, looks like there's gonna be some rigging that is going to happen tomorrow, TNT and Magnolia will both win and they will play in the Finals.



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October 14, 2021, 12:23:24 PM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.
We will see a Game 7 here. More games = more entertainment for us viewers and more games = more revenue for the league Cheesy. JK

I would love to see a Game 7 with this series and as well as Magnolia-Meralco. All of them proved that they can win against their opponents. On SMB-TNT matchup, it will be hard for SMB to win in Game 6 against a complete roster of TNT. Like I said, they have it all. Shooters, defenders outside and inside, pesky and quick guards, three point shooters, a bunch of good bench players. Their shooters just have to be online and shoot threes as many as they can and they will win in Game 6. Right now, TNT has the momentum but still I don't want to eliminate SMB right now.

I see this trend though, whoever takes the double digit lead at the end of first quarter wins the game. In the last 5 games, whoever took the double digit lead at the end wins the game. That's not the case for Game 2 though because Marcio puts the game-winning shot Cheesy. Correct me though if I'm wrong Smiley.

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October 14, 2021, 12:43:28 PM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.
We will see a Game 7 here. More games = more entertainment for us viewers and more games = more revenue for the league Cheesy. JK

I would love to see a Game 7 with this series and as well as Magnolia-Meralco. All of them proved that they can win against their opponents. On SMB-TNT matchup, it will be hard for SMB to win in Game 6 against a complete roster of TNT. Like I said, they have it all. Shooters, defenders outside and inside, pesky and quick guards, three point shooters, a bunch of good bench players. Their shooters just have to be online and shoot threes as many as they can and they will win in Game 6. Right now, TNT has the momentum but still I don't want to eliminate SMB right now.

I see this trend though, whoever takes the double digit lead at the end of first quarter wins the game. In the last 5 games, whoever took the double digit lead at the end wins the game. That's not the case for Game 2 though because Marcio puts the game-winning shot Cheesy. Correct me though if I'm wrong Smiley.

Game 7 is for SMB, IIRC, SMB has never loste a game 7 under the coaching of Leo Austria, so TNT should finish the game tomorrow if they want to be in the NBA Finals. Mo is very inconsistent, one time he scored big time for his team but in game 5, he did not show up based on our expectation, so I don't know who would deliver for SMB as even Romeo is also struggling.

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October 14, 2021, 01:07:02 PM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.

Why not, we did not expect that SMB would dominate the TNT in game 4, and after that win, we also did not expect that TNT would do the same to SMB. This series has been very unpredictable, just expect the unexpected because SMB will tie the series tomorrow and we will see a game 7.

Good luck SMB and its believers.  Smiley

The line is available early, looks like the bookies would like to entertain the bets early.

Still a similar line in the previous games, SMB is 1.98 vs TNT 1.80.
I think this tells something, if the line will not move, most likely the bookies believe that TNT would end the series tomorrow, however, if the line moves in favor of SMB, this means huge money is going for SMB and bookies has no choice but to adjust their line.

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October 14, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.
We will see a Game 7 here. More games = more entertainment for us viewers and more games = more revenue for the league Cheesy. JK

I would love to see a Game 7 with this series and as well as Magnolia-Meralco. All of them proved that they can win against their opponents. On SMB-TNT matchup, it will be hard for SMB to win in Game 6 against a complete roster of TNT. Like I said, they have it all. Shooters, defenders outside and inside, pesky and quick guards, three point shooters, a bunch of good bench players. Their shooters just have to be online and shoot threes as many as they can and they will win in Game 6. Right now, TNT has the momentum but still I don't want to eliminate SMB right now.

I see this trend though, whoever takes the double digit lead at the end of first quarter wins the game. In the last 5 games, whoever took the double digit lead at the end wins the game. That's not the case for Game 2 though because Marcio puts the game-winning shot Cheesy. Correct me though if I'm wrong Smiley.

Game 7 is for SMB, IIRC, SMB has never loste a game 7 under the coaching of Leo Austria, so TNT should finish the game tomorrow if they want to be in the NBA Finals. Mo is very inconsistent, one time he scored big time for his team but in game 5, he did not show up based on our expectation, so I don't know who would deliver for SMB as even Romeo is also struggling.
TNT will do their best but for sure SMB will try to extend this series,

If SMB will be able to bring this to a do or die game, the chance of winning the series is more likely will favor them,

it will be difficult for TNT beating SMB once momentum gives them another chance to play.

TNT should bring everything and try to take this one and end the series to assure their place into the finals.
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October 14, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
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So what do we expect in game 6? Are we going to see another big win by SMB to tie the series, I guess this is getting so predictable and I don't want to go with the flow as this could be a trap, I'm thinking that TNT will finish the series and they'll win in 6 just like what Magnolia would do.
We will see a Game 7 here. More games = more entertainment for us viewers and more games = more revenue for the league Cheesy. JK

I would love to see a Game 7 with this series and as well as Magnolia-Meralco. All of them proved that they can win against their opponents. On SMB-TNT matchup, it will be hard for SMB to win in Game 6 against a complete roster of TNT. Like I said, they have it all. Shooters, defenders outside and inside, pesky and quick guards, three point shooters, a bunch of good bench players. Their shooters just have to be online and shoot threes as many as they can and they will win in Game 6. Right now, TNT has the momentum but still I don't want to eliminate SMB right now.

I see this trend though, whoever takes the double digit lead at the end of first quarter wins the game. In the last 5 games, whoever took the double digit lead at the end wins the game. That's not the case for Game 2 though because Marcio puts the game-winning shot Cheesy. Correct me though if I'm wrong Smiley.

Game 7 is for SMB, IIRC, SMB has never loste a game 7 under the coaching of Leo Austria, so TNT should finish the game tomorrow if they want to be in the NBA Finals. Mo is very inconsistent, one time he scored big time for his team but in game 5, he did not show up based on our expectation, so I don't know who would deliver for SMB as even Romeo is also struggling.
I didn't know that so that is a new knowledge for me coming from my team SMB Smiley.

If that's the case then TNT really "must" win tomorrow in Game 6 or else, they will have a higher chance of being eliminated. I agree with what you said though that Mo is very inconsistent. Maybe his performance is also affected because him and JMF are having a hard time getting some good inside looks. For me, I'd rather see only one of them on the court than them going in at the same time. If JMF is at the bench, Mo can have more touches inside therefore he can score more points. If JMF and Mo both are inside, they mostly give the ball to JMF rather than Mo and that is the reason why his performance is like a seesaw. The shooters of SMB too are kinda struggling and we've seen it too and its because of the good defenders of TNT.

I like to see a Game 7 between them though Smiley. That trivia that you said might or might not happen this time so... yeah I'm hoping for a Game 7.

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I like to see a Game 7 between them though Smiley. That trivia that you said might or might not happen this time so... yeah I'm hoping for a Game 7.


We can't say if the same thing will happen in case SMB manage to win tomorrow, SMB stars are already aging compared with the new breed of coach Chot, if Williams and Pogoy will continue the damage game 7 might be used for them, this two Players have a big influenced in terms of their offense, with good night, they can finished SMB as early as game 6.

Though the pressure might not between these two teams but from the PBA itself Grin we never know if there's some involvement behind to extend this series and to have game 7.

Game fixing Roll Eyes hahaha, but kidding aside, I also want to see one more game to complete this series, I still want to see Terrence Romeo dance and create a good space for his own self.

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October 14, 2021, 09:59:54 PM
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I like to see a Game 7 between them though Smiley. That trivia that you said might or might not happen this time so... yeah I'm hoping for a Game 7.


We can't say if the same thing will happen in case SMB manage to win tomorrow, SMB stars are already aging compared with the new breed of coach Chot, if Williams and Pogoy will continue the damage game 7 might be used for them, this two Players have a big influenced in terms of their offense, with good night, they can finished SMB as early as game 6.

Though the pressure might not between these two teams but from the PBA itself Grin we never know if there's some involvement behind to extend this series and to have game 7.

Game fixing Roll Eyes hahaha, but kidding aside, I also want to see one more game to complete this series, I still want to see Terrence Romeo dance and create a good space for his own self.

You guys should not believe in these game-fixing rumors, just concentrate on analyzing the games and the strength of some team over the other. Even if games are rigged. we can't do anything about it so better to stop thinking that it happened  Grin.

If you looked at the pattern of the SMB-TNT series, it's a see-saw so tonight's ballgame is in favor of SMB if you follow the pattern, that's where i get my analysis from hehe. So for toda's games, it's all SMC teams for me.
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You guys should not believe in these game-fixing rumors, just concentrate on analyzing the games and the strength of some team over the other. Even if games are rigged. we can't do anything about it so better to stop thinking that it happened  Grin.

If you looked at the pattern of the SMB-TNT series, it's a see-saw so tonight's ballgame is in favor of SMB if you follow the pattern, that's where i get my analysis from hehe. So for toda's games, it's all SMC teams for me.

I agree. Try to watch the game guys. It's quite difficult to think how game-fixing will be inserted into that. The series is fair and square and even in the PBA community in social media, no one mentioned that there's a "sagip" moment. TNT's last game was just played great and SMB has no answer to it. We should give them credit for that win.

And besides, no advantage to the PBA if they will extend the series. There's no audience. The virtual audience is FREE. Commercials? That was already common.

If the pattern will be again to roll since Game 1, SMB should take Game 6 lol. Unless TNT will repeat that monster performance last game.

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We can't say if the same thing will happen in case SMB manage to win tomorrow, SMB stars are already aging compared with the new breed of coach Chot, if Williams and Pogoy will continue the damage game 7 might be used for them, this two Players have a big influenced in terms of their offense, with good night, they can finished SMB as early as game 6.

Set aside aging. That reason is not mentioned when SMB is winning. If TNT will win, no reason to looked at SMB. TNT last game was played with some handicap but was able to adjust. They were able to do what should be done on their Game 2 loss.

Like everyone here, I think SMB will take Game 6 but TNT will win the series.

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We can't say if the same thing will happen in case SMB manage to win tomorrow, SMB stars are already aging compared with the new breed of coach Chot, if Williams and Pogoy will continue the damage game 7 might be used for them, this two Players have a big influenced in terms of their offense, with good night, they can finished SMB as early as game 6.

Set aside aging. That reason is not mentioned when SMB is winning. If TNT will win, no reason to looked at SMB. TNT last game was played with some handicap but was able to adjust. They were able to do what should be done on their Game 2 loss.

Like everyone here, I think SMB will take Game 6 but TNT will win the series.

We can make our own prediction but we never know what would be the result in game 6. For me, if you bet on the SMB to win the series, the best timing to bet on them is today because they need to win game 6 to make it to another do or die in game 7. Everyone wants to see game 7 but it would rely on the performance of the SMB today, let's hope their outside shooting will improve.

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Set aside aging. That reason is not mentioned when SMB is winning. If TNT will win, no reason to looked at SMB. TNT last game was played with some handicap but was able to adjust. They were able to do what should be done on their Game 2 loss.

Like everyone here, I think SMB will take Game 6 but TNT will win the series.


I understand your point and there's a good weight on it in terms of SMB overall performance.

The only thing that I bring is the trivia that SMB didn't lose in game 7, that's why I said about the current lineup, they are the same
stars from the beginning of coach Leo's journey. I Don't have any argument with SMB's capability as I'm also a fan of this team Roll Eyes

We can make our own prediction but we never know what would be the result in game 6. For me, if you bet on the SMB to win the series, the best timing to bet on them is today because they need to win game 6 to make it to another do or die in game 7. Everyone wants to see game 7 but it would rely on the performance of the SMB today, let's hope their outside shooting will improve.

Good point, if it happens that you already bet for SMB to win this series, betting now is the best timing for you. If they win and force this one to do or die , the chance of winning will increase. So far TNT have that edge, they can end this series now if they will play with the same intensity like what they performed in last game 5.

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October 15, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
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Congrats to the SMB Beermen for winning game 6, now we  will see a game 7 in the semi Finals and I hope it will be a close game like in game 1. SMB really showed their heart, they don't want to quit as they want to win a championship again. IMO, if SMB wins the series, I think they will become the champion in this bubble.
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October 15, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
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Congrats to the SMB Beermen for winning game 6, now we  will see a game 7 in the semi Finals and I hope it will be a close game like in game 1. SMB really showed their heart, they don't want to quit as they want to win a championship again. IMO, if SMB wins the series, I think they will become the champion in this bubble.
Good win for them, this time, Marcio Lassiter became the best player of the game who scored 19 points in the game and made 5-8 shooting beyond the arc. When he is hot, he is unstoppable so things were easier for SMB this year in this win. Tautuaa also contributed with 24 points in this game, so the points were fairly spread and that's why I like with SMB as you cannot tell who will become the main contributor.

Meanwhile, Magnolia seems trying their best to end the series tonight, they were in good lead by Meralco come back to a close 2 points deficit only, but now, it's back to 8 points but still plenty of time though.

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