2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[Fredomago]

Yeah, that is also what I'm thinking but looking back on their previous games they lost almost on a two digit lead and i have lost betting on them also when the spread was +10 plus.

Anyway, it's just me and it's gambling, you may win or lose but the important thing is we enjoy what we are doing and we know what we are doing also.

Very straight answer, it's gambling. If you win, you enjoy, if you lose, then move on and try another one.

I follow you with the reload that I get from stake, parlaying these two picks of yours. I'm more worried about DYIP as they beat two strong teams and now they will be tested again. They need the win to continue their journey, but same with you, it's gambling. We never know what will happen. We just wait and see the outcome.

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

[Viscore]

Yeah, that is also what I'm thinking but looking back on their previous games they lost almost on a two digit lead and i have lost betting on them also when the spread was +10 plus.

Anyway, it's just me and it's gambling, you may win or lose but the important thing is we enjoy what we are doing and we know what we are doing also.

Very straight answer, it's gambling. If you win, you enjoy, if you lose, then move on and try another one.

I follow you with the reload that I get from stake, parlaying these two picks of yours. I'm more worried about DYIP as they beat two strong teams and now they will be tested again. They need the win to continue their journey, but same with you, it's gambling. We never know what will happen. We just wait and see the outcome.

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

Maybe the roster is not good enough to compete. Looking at the roster, I see some veterans like the names Semerad, Nabong, and Canaleta. and they also have good guards, but I don't understand why they struggle this season. Based on my personal view, I can't judge accurately because I was not watching their games, who would watch a team that is boring to watch.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first season of coach Nash Racela as the head coach of the team, it's not good for him if the team will not have at least 1 win.

[Kasabus]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

[Sanitough]

DYIP lost again today, this time against the Meralco Bolts.

Bolts beat them in the 2nd half, that's really the advantage of a team that has a good lineup as they always play better in the 2nd half.

Still, Tiongson struggles to get back his MVP shape, lol.. he only made 10 points in this game, without him making wonders, I guess DYIP will get back to its place. 3rd losing streak for DYIP, right?

[ultrloa]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

They will always play like this since they don't have any urge to retain their stars since they always let them go and trade to the strong teams. Maybe people who call them a farm team is right since it seems they don't have any passion to win a champ or even a single game. I will continue to avoid them not unless if they rebuild a solid rooster in future but for sure this will take many years since its business and this one is dominated by big companies.

[Vaculin]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

They will always play like this since they don't have any urge to retain their stars since they always let them go and trade to the strong teams. Maybe people who call them a farm team is right since it seems they don't have any passion to win a champ or even a single game. I will continue to avoid them not unless if they rebuild a solid rooster in future but for sure this will take many years since its business and this one is dominated by big companies.

Not like this actually, why? Because they are actually playing very well when Ray Parks played with them and when they have a  good import. Maybe the team has run out of stars or maybe they cannot build chemistry as the moment they get better, big teams will take their star to play with them.

[Maslate]

Maybe the team has run out of stars or maybe they cannot build chemistry as the moment they get better, big teams will take their star to play with them.

If they always play like that, they will never fun out of star because no star will be created in this team. They tanked so hard this conference after they got traded Mac Belo, while the Meralco Bolts enjoyed the service of Belo. I think Blackwater has to be overhauled, they just have to accept their faith this conference and maybe just improve next time.

With the result, I think it's not wise to ever think of betting on them, even if the spread is hard to resist.

[ultrloa]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

They will always play like this since they don't have any urge to retain their stars since they always let them go and trade to the strong teams. Maybe people who call them a farm team is right since it seems they don't have any passion to win a champ or even a single game. I will continue to avoid them not unless if they rebuild a solid rooster in future but for sure this will take many years since its business and this one is dominated by big companies.

Not like this actually, why? Because they are actually playing very well when Ray Parks played with them and when they have a  good import. Maybe the team has run out of stars or maybe they cannot build chemistry as the moment they get better, big teams will take their star to play with them.

They are good at that but imagine what will happen to their stars if other team see that they have strong player on their team the trade will be executed, and what surprising is Blackwater accept those bench warmers and its so unfair that's the reason why we cannot see them grow up to become a contender team since they always throw out their potential franchise players. That's why mostly I don't watch there games since its so boring and the result is predictable.

[LogitechMouse]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

Lets not forget that the owner of the Blackwater tried to sell the franchise but nobody is interested on it or there are no transaction that happened.
That alone is enough to say at least for me that the owner itself isn't interested anymore and it affects the management and at the same time the players. Just look at their roster. Not a single all-star or a superstar.

At the start of the season, many know already that this team will struggle the whole conference just by seeing at their roster and it is happening right now. Not even a single win and they only have 1 game remaining this elimination. They might end up at 0-11 because their last game will be against the 2nd seeded Bolts. For bettors, they might risk on betting on them .

[Japinat]

Not much to argue with Blackwater, personally I really don't see any desire from the players, they just good at the start, but when the opponent locks them down, they are not willing to take the challenge.

If they play like that all the time, then there's no reason to watch them because they are not inspired and they will not win. The current handicap odds for the Blackwater is +13.5, bookies really know what's happening with Blackwater as they gave us very attractive odds, of course for those who have no idea on the struggle of the team this season.

Lets not forget that the owner of the Blackwater tried to sell the franchise but nobody is interested on it or there are no transaction that happened.
That alone is enough to say at least for me that the owner itself isn't interested anymore and it affects the management and at the same time the players. Just look at their roster. Not a single all-star or a superstar.

At the start of the season, many know already that this team will struggle the whole conference just by seeing at their roster and it is happening right now. Not even a single win and they only have 1 game remaining this elimination. They might end up at 0-11 because their last game will be against the 2nd seeded Bolts. For bettors, they might risk on betting on them .

This is the news pertaining to that.

'Offended' Blackwater owner to sell franchise for ₱150M after PBA warning

However, I guess this was just his reaction as he got offended, in reality, he is not really serious about selling the franchise.
If he sells it for ₱150M, will there be interested on that price? is the price fair or just overvalued for an NBA team?

[carlisle1]

This is the news pertaining to that.

'Offended' Blackwater owner to sell franchise for ₱150M after PBA warning

However, I guess this was just his reaction as he got offended, in reality, he is not really serious about selling the franchise.
If he sells it for ₱150M, will there be interested on that price? is the price fair or just overvalued for an NBA team?

The president's ego might got offended and no reasons to compete anymore.
With the price and all the perks showing your team inside PBA, ₱150M is fair enough if the new owner is looking for long-term business.

This issue with their losing streak only shows that the whole management is not there to compete, but just to use their opportunities to trade
players and earned from the said deal.

I just noticed the adjustment before the game with the handicap, do trapped a lot of gamblers. Good move from the bookies..

[bisdak40]

This is the news pertaining to that.

'Offended' Blackwater owner to sell franchise for ₱150M after PBA warning

However, I guess this was just his reaction as he got offended, in reality, he is not really serious about selling the franchise.
If he sells it for ₱150M, will there be interested on that price? is the price fair or just overvalued for an NBA team?

The president's ego might got offended and no reasons to compete anymore.
With the price and all the perks showing your team inside PBA, ₱150M is fair enough if the new owner is looking for long-term business.

It's just a burst of emotion for the Blackwater owner that's why he has said those things but when everything settled, he realized that his team is not for sale lol. There are many big companies willing to buy if ever he pushes through with his plan.


Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

Do you believe in this?

[Distinctin]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

[Kelvinid]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

[Fredomago]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

Just seen this circulating post around FB and for sure it will affect him and the rest of those names behind. Good thing here are the possibilities of more exposures.

I'm sure that there are many people with the same experienced of this person who lost from the possible rigged game. But expect the denial and knowing the culture of corruptions, it will never to go and dig deeper.

Remember the Allado case? or how about hontiveros? all those are rumors but in the end there's none that being exposed.

Let's wait for the verdict for now we have 3 games tomorrow and what a timing all are SMB corp.

[Russlenat]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

Just seen this circulating post around FB and for sure it will affect him and the rest of those names behind. Good thing here are the possibilities of more exposures.

I'm sure that there are many people with the same experienced of this person who lost from the possible rigged game. But expect the denial and knowing the culture of corruptions, it will never to go and dig deeper.

Remember the Allado case? or how about hontiveros? all those are rumors but in the end there's none that being exposed.

Let's wait for the verdict for now we have 3 games tomorrow and what a timing all are SMB corp.

I don't know if the PBA will open an investigation into this, because if they do, it will still affect the reputation of the league, and knowing that this player is just a rookie, people will speculate that there's more serious thing going on inside that is bigger than what was exposed.

[Fredomago]

I don't know if the PBA will open an investigation into this, because if they do, it will still affect the reputation of the league, and knowing that this player is just a rookie, people will speculate that there's more serious thing going on inside that is bigger than what was exposed.

Not unless fans will make a big noise since it's been shared all over FB and for sure that there are names that being tagged. PBA will take this one up and see the effects of this issue, Just like what I've said, they will check it but to dig deeper is a big risk for them.

Those names that mentioned from that conversations aside from the player itself will need to explain their side of involvement if investigation happens. I don't have personal knowledge of how game rigged being executed.

But for just a rookie and being involved, what else those stars? How much they are worth to rigged the game?

[LogitechMouse]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

As I'm seeing the Facebook post, I'm also thinking if PBA will make moves after this or they will just simply ignore it like what they did in the past.
After all, SMC is a one of the big partners of the PBA. Well, I just hope that they will not ignore this and will give punishments to those who involved if proven true.

Regarding the one being accused, we know already that he will deny it. He will not say that he did it because it will affect not only the SMC company but the whole league itself. Either this is a true or not anyway, this is another problem of the league that needs to be solved.... or will it be solved . I don't think so.

[chaser15]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

As I'm seeing the Facebook post, I'm also thinking if PBA will make moves after this or they will just simply ignore it like what they did in the past.
After all, SMC is a one of the big partners of the PBA. Well, I just hope that they will not ignore this and will give punishments to those who involved if proven true.

Regarding the one being accused, we know already that he will deny it. He will not say that he did it because it will affect not only the SMC company but the whole league itself. Either this is a true or not anyway, this is another problem of the league that needs to be solved.... or will it be solved . I don't think so.

That issue will come and go and won't affect the reputation of the San Miguel Company.

It's been years already where people know there is something behind PBA games especially involving sister teams. The term "bigayan" is already a word that anyone is used to hear in PBA games.

Just give it at least 2-3 weeks then the issue will be forgotten.

[LogitechMouse]

Have you guys seen the rumors on social media about this Daniel De Guzman who is giving tips for PBA games?

Allegedly, the SMB-Ginebra game was rigged. The accuser even posted some text exchanges between him and De Guzman.

How was that rigged? what was the exact message? I didn't see anything in social media regarding that but I'm interested to know as rigged games in the PBA is a very interesting topic especially if you are betting on games.

Do you believe in this?

Yes, but it would be more believable if it's backed by some evidence, I want to see what are the information in the text messages.

Read the news, looks like it's a hot topic now because it's a big accusation but Daniel de Guzman denies the accusation. \
here's the link of the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/smb-player-daniel-de-guzman-denies-game-fixing-accusation-a791-20210915?ref=home_featured_4

Here you can see the whole Facebook messages and posts.
https://web.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2937153259931757&id=100009113342237

It already has 7.5k shared. this will go viral for sure.

As I'm seeing the Facebook post, I'm also thinking if PBA will make moves after this or they will just simply ignore it like what they did in the past.
After all, SMC is a one of the big partners of the PBA. Well, I just hope that they will not ignore this and will give punishments to those who involved if proven true.

Regarding the one being accused, we know already that he will deny it. He will not say that he did it because it will affect not only the SMC company but the whole league itself. Either this is a true or not anyway, this is another problem of the league that needs to be solved.... or will it be solved . I don't think so.

That issue will come and go and won't affect the reputation of the San Miguel Company.

It's been years already where people know there is something behind PBA games especially involving sister teams. The term "bigayan" is already a word that anyone is used to hear in PBA games.

Just give it at least 2-3 weeks then the issue will be forgotten.

Yeah I remember that.
There are times where these sister teams are just giving away teams with each other. Although there are no evidences of it, its pretty obvious that the term "bigayan" that you said is happening.

And TBH, this is also the reason why the competitiveness of the team is slowly withering. I can still remember the time where there are many audiences in the stadium cheering for their favorite team. Take note that its on a elimination game or regular season and not in the playoffs. Nowadays, audiences prefer watching on their homes than cheering on the stadium because they find it boring because of these "bigayan" games. I'm not blaming the management but they are also the reason why people find PBA boring and players opted to play outside the country than playing in their home country.

I still remember the MPBL rig game that caused the players to be suspended and banned. As long as the management will not speak regarding it, this issue will be forgotten by the people in 2-3 weeks like you said.