2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[LogitechMouse]

On the other hand, Bossing's import Krutwig got his first 20-18-10 triple double in this conference. I don't know for others but for me, this is the first time that I saw an import who focuses also on passing aside from shooting. Most of the time when we see imports in PBA, we often see them shooting, but Krutwig is different since he is also passing. I think with how they are playing; they might reach the playoffs again this conference.

Good import indeed, however, we cannot deny that Blackwater has really improved, they have a roster that plays like a good teammate, and they don't rely on someone that's why they are fun to watch now. In fact, even in the all Filipino cup, they are already fun to watch, it's just that they are not a championship team but they are a competitive team.

We can see that, but improvement is not enough, they should be a title contender if they want to be a champion, but if this team is just a farm team, then there's no chance there will be a consistent improvement as their big boss might just take away their best player as long as they see he is ready to play on their team.

From 2010-present year, only 3 independent teams got a title.
Rain or Shine in 2015-2016 Governor's cup, Alaska in 2012-2013 Commissioner's Cup and Petron in 2010-2011 Governor's Cup. I'm not sure though if Petron is an independent team at that time.

The point is for the past 13 years, the league has been dominated by SMC or MVP and those independent teams will still be a farm team. It's kind of frustrating to see that the league is being focused on these 2 big companies, but I guess there's nothing we can do about it as PBA Fans. As for Blackwater and for the rest of the independent teams, they will never win a title if the current system is still the same. Independent teams will always be farm teams and if this doesn't change, they will not win a title.

[Kelvinid]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

[bisdak40]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

One day, that zero will go away when they face Ginebra or SMB Beermen. I just forgot to check the odds for that Bay Arena Dragons vs Converge but i think they did not cover the spread for today's game so come Sunday when they face the crowd favorite Ginebra, the spread will be close and if bookies will still give a 7.5 spread for Ginebra then I will not hesitate to bet for the Kings.

[Hypnosis00]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

Maybe you got just confused.

PBA can't just change the series of matches. The scheduled match on eliminations is fixed. Only the date schedule is changing for various reasons such as typhoons, pandemic, or any things that can affect a certain game schedule. But when it comes to the replacement of the team, it's rare.

Yeah, maybe I was just confused, it's probably because I want to see a team that could potentially beat the Bay Area Dragons.

But still, I can't move on to my parlay bet last night. The reason is really unacceptable and that was SMB losing to Blackwater. Can't imagine that game will be the reason to crash my parlay bet where in fact that leg should be an easy pick. -sigh-

It looks easy but in gambling no bets are certain.

Just another unlucky night, that's why for me, I don't usually put a parlay bet especially on a team that people think is not gonna lose.

[Sanitough]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

One day, that zero will go away when they face Ginebra or SMB Beermen. I just forgot to check the odds for that Bay Arena Dragons vs Converge but i think they did not cover the spread for today's game so come Sunday when they face the crowd favorite Ginebra, the spread will be close and if bookies will still give a 7.5 spread for Ginebra then I will not hesitate to bet for the Kings.

Same here, not betting on the spread but I will go with the moneyline, I'm pretty sure I'll get +300 the lease. Anyway, this team is really good but they have not face the Ginebra yet, I'm excited to see the import vs import production in this game, I'm still betting on Brownlee as I think he can beat the opponent's import.

[Ziskinberg]

Just another unlucky night, that's why for me, I don't usually put a parlay bet especially on a team that people think is not gonna lose.

Talking about parlay, you need to be lucky to win.

Actually, parlay bet is fun because of the high reward, and I agree that SMB the champ in the past conference should win that game, but Blackwater was the better team and that parlay was destroyed. For me, I'm looking forward on their next game and will bet on SMB because for sure they will not lose twice in a row.

[goaldigger]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

They have a great night, and their plays working for them perfectly that may not be a huge lead but that is a statement that we should not see them as a simple team because they can really have a good run. I also believe good teams can beat them and I’m excited for that matches. There’s nothing especial with the plays of Bay Area though, it’s really beatable.

[Johnyz]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

They have a great night, and their plays working for them perfectly that may not be a huge lead but that is a statement that we should not see them as a simple team because they can really have a good run. I also believe good teams can beat them and I’m excited for that matches. There’s nothing especial with the plays of Bay Area though, it’s really beatable.

There’s no team that is unbeatable they just need to play with their game perfectly and outsmart their opponent, with that game Bay Area did an exceptional job on beating Converge. That’s still a close game but that doesn’t mean Bay Area just got luck here, they work on every point and they really deserve the win. With their remaining games, I believe Bay Area will advance to the next round, it’s really good for a guest team.

[chaser15]

Being down by 22 points by a team like Bay Area Dragons, it's already a lose.

But look at how Converge is able to cut down the lead. They are behind by 22 points in the 4th quarter with 10 minutes left.

Their 3 points FG in the 4th quarter is the key to that rally. This team is really good and a have a good future.

[LogitechMouse]

Bay Arena Dragons is still undefeated, however, they are not that dominant as what we expected, they only won a single digit win, so it's still a close game against the converge. I know they are good, but I think they will not end this conference as undefeated since they haven't face the good teams yet such as Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and Magnolia.

One day, that zero will go away when they face Ginebra or SMB Beermen. I just forgot to check the odds for that Bay Arena Dragons vs Converge but i think they did not cover the spread for today's game so come Sunday when they face the crowd favorite Ginebra, the spread will be close and if bookies will still give a 7.5 spread for Ginebra then I will not hesitate to bet for the Kings.

I also think that way.
Their first 4 games are against the independent teams who we know that are always at the bottom.

Their next games are against SMC and MVP. The top 6 teams in the PBA and this is the true challenge for them. Their performance in their remaining games will dictate how they will perform in the playoffs. Bay Area almost lost to NorthPort and Converge last night already got the momentum, but it's just that they can't make the job done.

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

[Hypnosis00]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

No one can defend him but Ginebra will just make a good strategy to make him useless, a fast pace game will be very much suitable in this kind of game, and we know Brownlee can explode and they have Pringle who is already back, so it will be a good game.

[Johnyz]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

No one can defend him but Ginebra will just make a good strategy to make him useless, a fast pace game will be very much suitable in this kind of game, and we know Brownlee can explode and they have Pringle who is already back, so it will be a good game.

Some of the players with Ginebra already have the experience on defending tall player and I guess they already know how that guy play the game and they already scout it. This will be more exciting if we saw a huge crowd to support Ginebra, it's Sunday so most probably we will see more viewers. Let's see if Ginebra can bring the first loss to Bay Area or they will suffer another defeat, Brownlee should be activated on this game or else they can't stand the chance.

[Hypnosis00]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

No one can defend him but Ginebra will just make a good strategy to make him useless, a fast pace game will be very much suitable in this kind of game, and we know Brownlee can explode and they have Pringle who is already back, so it will be a good game.

Some of the players with Ginebra already have the experience on defending tall player and I guess they already know how that guy play the game and they already scout it. This will be more exciting if we saw a huge crowd to support Ginebra, it's Sunday so most probably we will see more viewers. Let's see if Ginebra can bring the first loss to Bay Area or they will suffer another defeat, Brownlee should be activated on this game or else they can't stand the chance.

Betting odds should be up later since this game will be tomorrow.

Meanwhile, have you see the TNT vs NP? That was crazy, huge bounc back by TNT and they dominated the NP.
Also, Pogoy made 8-9 in the 3 point area, this guy is really unconscious, I think he will be the next best star player in the team, not Williams.

[agustina2]

Also, Pogoy made 8-9 in the 3 point area, this guy is really unconscious, I think he will be the next best star player in the team, not Williams.

That is not new to RR Pogoy. He's been always one of the faces of the team since he was drafted. That's why he is even included in the Gilas pool for a long.

If you remember also last All-Filipino Cup, he's the only consistent player of TNT that always ended up in big production.

Mikey Williams is a choker last Finals. He's just a monster in eliminations.

[Shamm]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

No one can defend him but Ginebra will just make a good strategy to make him useless, a fast pace game will be very much suitable in this kind of game, and we know Brownlee can explode and they have Pringle who is already back, so it will be a good game.

Some of the players with Ginebra already have the experience on defending tall player and I guess they already know how that guy play the game and they already scout it. This will be more exciting if we saw a huge crowd to support Ginebra, it's Sunday so most probably we will see more viewers. Let's see if Ginebra can bring the first loss to Bay Area or they will suffer another defeat, Brownlee should be activated on this game or else they can't stand the chance.

Betting odds should be up later since this game will be tomorrow.

Meanwhile, have you see the TNT vs NP? That was crazy, huge bounc back by TNT and they dominated the NP.
Also, Pogoy made 8-9 in the 3 point area, this guy is really unconscious, I think he will be the next best star player in the team, not Williams.

Yes you are right about that mate and we can not denied the fact that pugoy now is one of the best players in TNT after he was drafted by PBA a few years ago he now surpasses or let's say in his prime age he gain more strategy and applying it while he is inside the court and also he will made it without a doubt after Mikey Williams got injured that affect a plays pugoy now is the top of the best player in TNT team.

[chaser15]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

Just play the usual defense. They don't have to put pressure on that. Forcing them to stop that tall guy will just ruin the entire defense since they need to put a double team on that in order to slow that 7'5" guy down inside the paint. That was a risky move as Ginebra shouldn't let a free guy from the Dragons with no defense at all.

While Bay Area Dragons is having the height advantage then Ginebra should just do their specialty which is perimeter shooting and doing 3s from the rainbow area. If that didn't work, they will be doomed against the Dragons.

[bisdak40]

Ginebra vs. Bay Area on Sunday. I'm hoping that this will be the time where the arena will be filled with Ginebra Fans like how they are during the playoffs. I'm also thinking on who will defend the 7'5" player of the Dragons .

Just play the usual defense. They don't have to put pressure on that. Forcing them to stop that tall guy will just ruin the entire defense since they need to put a double team on that in order to slow that 7'5" guy down inside the paint. That was a risky move as Ginebra shouldn't let a free guy from the Dragons with no defense at all.

While Bay Area Dragons is having the height advantage then Ginebra should just do their specialty which is perimeter shooting and doing 3s from the rainbow area. If that didn't work, they will be doomed against the Dragons.

With coach Tim Cone's coaching brilliance, i know that there is already a game plan on how to deal with this Bay Area Dragon's giant as always. With Justin Brownlee i think they will play small ball and will try to outrun these visitors because that is the advantage that they have as I see it.

Seeing the odds below, i didn't hesitate to put some money on the ML for Ginebra as seldom this would happen to them, i mean getting an odds like this one is hard to pass because they the crowd behind them that could disturb the plays of their opponent with their chants and shouting.

[harizen]

Seeing the odds below, i didn't hesitate to put some money on the ML for Ginebra as seldom this would happen to them, i mean getting an odds like this one is hard to pass because they the crowd behind them that could disturb the plays of their opponent with their chants and shouting.

Yes, I agree with you that it's unusual and almost close to rare seeing Ginebra Moneyline odds reaching at least @4. As one of the considered top teams in the league, we won't see decent odds like that for Ginebra against every team.

Can't believe though that bookies really looked down at Ginebra against Bay Area Dragons. I know well and understand the capability of this guest team but Ginebra giving a @4 odds is like the game tomorrow between these two is really a considered mismatch.

I hope BGSM will be the first one to defeat this guest team.

[Fredomago]

Seeing the odds below, i didn't hesitate to put some money on the ML for Ginebra as seldom this would happen to them, i mean getting an odds like this one is hard to pass because they the crowd behind them that could disturb the plays of their opponent with their chants and shouting.

Yes, I agree with you that it's unusual and almost close to rare seeing Ginebra Moneyline odds reaching at least @4. As one of the considered top teams in the league, we won't see decent odds like that for Ginebra against every team.

Can't believe though that bookies really looked down at Ginebra against Bay Area Dragons. I know well and understand the capability of this guest team but Ginebra giving a @4 odds is like the game tomorrow between these two is really a considered mismatch.

I hope BGSM will be the first one to defeat this guest team.

Wow @4 odds and we are talking about Ginebra wit Brownlee for sure a lot of gamblers who also fan of Ginebra will take that without any doubt. Though if you are not a heavy gambler or I mean you are not after a huge odd the handicap is also attractive @1.85 +8.5 that's decent just in case Ginebra losses the game but from how we have seen both NP and Converge game results.

Something that gamblers that will surely look at their bookies right now, just like what i thought the odd now is only @3.10, and the handicap is only +6.5 now.

Later today we will be able to see how Ginebra will compete with the visiting team. Fans and viewers are expecting them not to choke but to defend the national league. Good Luck!

[crzy]

Can't believe though that bookies really looked down at Ginebra against Bay Area Dragons. I know well and understand the capability of this guest team but Ginebra giving a @4 odds is like the game tomorrow between these two is really a considered mismatch.

I hope BGSM will be the first one to defeat this guest team.

Because of the good standing of Bay Area, the odds are in favor to them but we should not underestimate Ginebra because we know that they are the good team and having that odds is really hard to pass. The crowd will be there and for sure Ginebra will do it’s best to get another win, Bay Area should be more prepared for this since most of their games are very close which put them at a bigger risk of losing against Ginebra.