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December 27, 2014, 09:40:37 PM
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There was a large-scale exchange of POWs between Kiev and DNR. POWs held by DNR were in top condition (one even refused to go to Kiev), while the people, held buy Kiev were tortured, beaten, and only 50 actively participated in the armed conflict - the rest were civilians, grabbed by Nazional Guard on the streets of border zones.

http://itar-tass.com/en/world/769607

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December 28, 2014, 02:55:13 PM
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Red Cross Official Says Moscow Used ‘Humanitarian’ Convoys to Ship Arms to Militants in Ukraine

Staunton, December 26 – Igor Trunov, the head of the Moscow city office of the Russian Red Cross, says that the Russian government used what it called “humanitarian convoys” to “most likely” ship arms to pro-Moscow fighters in Ukraine, in direct violation of international humanitarian law and practice.

Trunov said December 25 that he doesn’t like to “cast stones” at the Russian government. But “there is international law,” and Moscow has violated it. Using humanitarian convoys to send arms across an international border is “an invasion” and “a violation” of the law.

Given the way in which Russian officials oversaw these convoys, it was possible for them to carry whatever Moscow wanted, including arms and military personnel, the Red Cross official said. Such actions, he said, make it far more difficult to ensure the delivery of real humanitarian assistance of the kind his organization provides to people in Ukraine who need it.

Trunov’s declaration follows confirmation by Russian activists that they sent armed militants into Ukraine via these convoys And his words suggest that Moscow may very well continue to do so even as it talks about its supposed support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

http://www.interpretermag.com/red-cross-official-says-moscow-used-humanitarian-convoys-to-ship-arms-to-militants-in-ukraine/

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December 28, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
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Hmm... Pagan is back from holiday...  Roll Eyes

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December 28, 2014, 10:48:34 PM
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South-East Ukraine Looks to Russia for Protection
http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/13/1723
reprint from (so the standard Western propaganda warning apply)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/opinion/driving-ukrainians-into-putins-arms.html?_r=0

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The fact that families run from a war zone is heartbreaking but hardly unexpected. The disturbing part lies in the details — of the roughly 454,000 people who had fled Ukraine by the end of October, more than 387,000 went to Russia.

Most of those who fled were Russian speakers from the east, but this still raises a sobering question: If this is a conflict between Ukraine and Russia, why did so many Ukrainians choose to cast their lot with the enemy?

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Last month the Ukrainian president, Petro O. Poroshenko, decided to freeze government pensions and cut off funding for schools and hospitals in the eastern provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk. Unfortunately, the separatist thugs fighting there don’t rely on food stamps to buy weapons — they get them from Russia.

All that Mr. Poroshenko accomplished was giving Mr. Putin the “proof” to tell the starving pensioners of the region: “See — the West doesn’t care if you die.” This is a sentiment that is growing stronger and stronger, according to reports coming out of the region.

Equally awful is Kiev’s decision to maintain a relationship with the Azov battalion, an ultranationalist paramilitary group of around 400 men that uses Nazi salutes and insignia.

To anyone familiar with eastern Ukraine’s bloody history during World War II, allowing the Azov battalion to fight in the region is a bit like sponsoring a Timothy McVeigh Appreciation Night in Oklahoma City.

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Eastern Ukrainians today, especially the older generations, respond to swastikas and wolfsangel runes — Nazi symbols now used by Ukrainian ultranationalists — about as well as African-Americans respond to burning crosses.

Oh, and the following, as a light relief after the above sobering article:

Funny and Touching: A Russian Grandma's Advice to Obama (viral video)
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_opinion_christianity_society/2014/11/04/02-09-55pm/funny_and_touching_russian

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This video is wildly popular on the Russian internet.

A Russian babushka (grandma), gives Obama advice, in rhyme!, in the best Russian tradition.  

She calls him Obamashka, an affectionate rendering of his name in Russian.

She offers to pray for him, to cook him blinis (pancakes), to take him to church to meet her priest so that they can all pray for America together, and advises against cozying up to Nazis, explaining that this always ends up badly.

She explains that Crimea is Russian, and always fought on Russia's side.

Finally she urges him to make friends with Volodya (affectionate name for Vladimir), and wishes him well.

We are Russia experts, and we can assure you, there is no force on earth that can withstand the charm and goodness of the Russian babushka.

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December 28, 2014, 10:58:12 PM
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"Usually" well at least "sometimes" when regimes kill their own

people the western mob and its media whores are all up in arms

and indignation but here they don´t seem to give a hoot. I wonder why.


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December 28, 2014, 11:03:43 PM
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He may Be a Son of A Bitch... But He's Our Son of A Bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcR_4qqvs8

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December 28, 2014, 11:47:29 PM
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Military train exploded near Odessa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kotL50GD4o

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December 29, 2014, 01:59:22 AM
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Woow Poutine make a great move ..... blocking price of vodka.... better to get bunch of alchoolic sleeping .... russia cheapest stuffs are vodka and prostitute lol ..... during this time Proudly Poutine claimed... there is no crisis in russia ...lol deny all day after day everyone will beleive it ...
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December 29, 2014, 05:08:22 AM
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russia cheapest stuffs are vodka and prostitute lol
Ukrainian prostitute, because almost all of them in Moscow are from Ukraine... Just to make things more clear. Cheesy

P.S. Your action is (still) too boring, try harder... Maybe you forgot to append traditional "Glory to Ukraine!" to your message?
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December 29, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
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http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/22/2112
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December 29, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
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And another one:
Egged on by US Kiev Wages War on Donetsk Children
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/12/29/2170

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Due to Ukraine artillery children in rebel-held city are forced to live in cellars. Just like Poroshenko promised

They say that shells never strike in the same place twice. However, it is not true.

Petrovsky district is a suburb of Donetsk of coal miners and their families.

It is one of the districts of the city most damaged by the artillery bombardments of the Ukrainian army during the past months.

I’m looking around, trying to find a house not struck by shells, but I cannot find one.

I see destroyed shops, broken fences, roofs with holes where shells struck, windows boarded up with plywood, and deserted streets.

The local people are living in bomb shelters.

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A Graham Philips report:
DNR POWs: Ukrainians beat us up, threatened to kill us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9AH5Zr74M


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This Era of Low-Cost Oil Is Different

 By Mohamed A. El-Erian

Having seen numerous fluctuations in the energy markets over the years, many analysts and policy makers have a natural tendency to “look through” the latest drop in oil prices -- that is, to treat the impact as transient rather than as signaling long-term changes.

I suspect that view would be a mistake this time around. The world is experiencing much more than a temporary dip in oil prices. Because of a change in the supply model, this is a fundamental shift that will likely have long-lasting effects.

Through the years, markets have been conditioned to expect OPEC members to cut their production in response to a sharp drop in prices. Saudi Arabia played the role of the “swing producer.” As the biggest producer, it was willing and able to absorb a disproportionately large part of the output cut in order to stabilize prices and provide the basis for a rebound.

It did so directly by adhering to its lowered individual output ceiling, and indirectly by turning a blind eye when other OPEC members cheated by exceeding their ceilings to generate higher earnings. In the few periods when Saudi Arabia didn't initially play this role, such as in the late 1990s, oil prices collapsed to levels that threatened the commercial viability of even the lower-cost OPEC producers.

Yet in serving as the swing producer through the years, Saudi Arabia learned an important lesson: It isn’t easy to regain market share. This difficulty is greatly amplified now that significant non-traditional energy supplies, including shale, are hitting the market.

That simple calculation is behind Saudi Arabia’s insistence on not reducing production this time. Without such action by the No. 1 producer, and with no one else either able or willing to be the swing producer, OPEC is no longer in a position to lower its production even though oil prices have collapsed by about 50 percent since June.

This change in the production model means it is up to natural market forces to restore pricing power to the oil markets. Low prices will lead to the gradual shutdown of what are now unprofitable oil fields and alternative energy supplies, and they will discourage investment in new capacity.  At the same time, they will encourage higher demand for oil.

This will all happen, but it will take a while. In the meantime, as oil prices settle at significantly lower levels, economic behavior will change beyond the “one-off” impact.

As costs fall for manufacturing and a wide range of other activities affected by energy costs, and as consumers spend less on gas and more on other things, many oil-importing nations will see a rise in gross domestic product. And this higher economic activity is likely to boost investment in new plants, equipment and labor, financed by corporate cash sitting on the sidelines.

The likelihood of longer-lasting changes is intensified when we include the geopolitical ripple effects. In addition to creating huge domestic problems for some producers such as Russia and Venezuela, the lower prices reduce these nations’ real and perceived influence on other countries. Some believe Cuba, for example, agreed to the recent deal with the U.S. because its leaders worried they would be getting less support from Russia and Venezuela. And for countries such as Iraq and Nigeria, low oil prices can fuel more unrest and fragmentation, and increase the domestic and regional disruptive impact of extremist groups.

Few expected oil prices to fall so far, especially in such a short time. The surprises won’t stop here. A prolonged period of low oil prices is also likely to result in durable economic, political and geopolitical changes that, not so long ago, would have been considered remote, if not unthinkable.  

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Ukraine's top intelligence agency deeply infiltrated by Russian spies

By Christopher Miller

KIEV, Ukraine – On a morning earlier this year, Ukraine’s top intelligence officials woke up to discover that the country's spy agency had been ransacked and torched by intruders who seemed to know what they were looking for.

The previous night, it turned out, the country’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, had ordered his operatives to steal a trove of state secrets from Ukraine's Security Service, known as the SBU, before fleeing to Moscow on Feb. 22.

During their raid on the spy agency, the thieves also stole data on more than 22,000 officers and informants as well as anything documenting decades of cooperation between the SBU and its Russian counterpart, the Federal Security Service, or FSB.
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What the burglars weren't able to carry, they burned or destroyed. In the ruins of the offices, scorched files and empty folders lay strewn on the floors.

“Every hard drive and flash drive was destroyed — smashed with hammers,” said one current Ukrainian intelligence official recently. By the time he and his colleagues got there, "it was all ash and dust."

For a country in the shadow of Russia and embarking on an uncertain path toward democracy, the break-in was devastating.

As the current SBU director Valentyn Nalyvaichenko put it, the thieves took “everything that forms a basis for a professional intelligence service."

Just days after the break-in, the director of the intelligence service, Oleksandr Yakymenko, surfaced in Russia, having defected with four other top spies and a dozen or so subordinates loyal to Moscow.

In the following weeks and months, the security service was thrown into turmoil as the agents' new allegiances played out. After the Russian invasion of Crimea, thousands of Ukrainian spies switched sides and began reporting to Moscow. Similarly, as the Kremlin-backed insurgency took off in eastern Ukraine, dozens of Ukrainian agents in there became agents of the Kremlin.

“We have no idea who we can trust right now,” said a top SBU spy, still loyal to the government in Kiev. 
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"Everybody is suspicious of everybody." "Everybody is suspicious of everybody."

When Nalyvaichenko became the SBU’s new chief on Feb. 24, he inherited a spy agency already riddled with spies. According to him, as many as one in five SBU agents had either worked for the Soviet KGB or studied at its training academy.

Even as Ukraine was in the midst of pro-democracy protests, a team of 30 Russian agents from the FSB came to Ukraine to meet with Yakymenko, allegedly to discuss assisting his officers in quashing the civil uprising.

Since then, the SBU has sought to root out pro-Russian spooks among its ra

So far, 235 agents, including the former counterintelligence chief and his cousin, and hundreds of other operatives believed to be working for Moscow, have been arrested and 25 high treason probes against Yanukovych-era SBU officials have been launched. All regional directors for the agency have changed, as well as half of their deputies.
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After the arrests, Nalyvaichenko boldly stated that “all traitors” have been purged from the SBU — a declaration that even the agency's own officials say they find hard to believe.

Indeed, three senior sources from within Ukraine’s security services, who agreed to be interviewed on condition of anonymity, said the thefts and mass defections had compromised SBU more severely than previously acknowledged.

Many agents with ties to the Russians are “still in the business,” as one of the SBU officials said. He added, however, that these mostly dormant agents are "closely watched" by Ukraine's own security services.

Olexiy Melnyk, co-director for Foreign Relations and International Security Programs at the Kiev-based Razumkov Center, said that Nalyvaichenko's assessment is "too optimistic."

"It’s very unlikely that they got rid of all collaborators and spies," he said.

In April, as fighting raged between government forces and Kremlin-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the SBU started planning a secret operation for its elite tactical unit, called Alpha. An enigmatic Russian known as Igor "Strelkov" Girkin, himself a confessed former FSB agent, was commanding rebel fighters on the front lines and the Ukrainians were keen to get him.

According to two senior Ukrainian security officials, agents had figured out that Girkin was spending time at a checkpoint on the edge of Sloviansk with several of his fighters. But no sooner had the operation gotten underway before Girkin was tipped off by a mole inside the Ukrainian security service and he slipped away.

He has since surfaced in Russia, where he has become quite the star after boasting that he "was the one who pulled the trigger of war" in Ukraine.

But sabotage and defectors are not the only challenges — the country’s security service is also hobbled by inexperience and a lack of funds, officials said.

To overhaul the agency, the SBU has brought in scores of fresh recruits. But while the young agents come from more Kiev-friendly western regions of Ukraine, many of the recruits — who are mostly in their early twenties — have little experience. Still, the intelligence service has little choice.

“What is better, to have professional former KGB guys who probably still have more friends in [Russia] or have loyal young guys who can learn and who we can be confident he will not leak secrets to Russia?” said Melnyk.

And it may not be very hard to turn the new recruits as pay is meager — about $200 per month — and moonlighting as a Russian informant may pay "three, maybe four times more," according to one SBU officer.

To test their loyalty, new and old agents are subjected to recurrent interrogations and lie detector tests. But, as one security officer put it: “the rifle is the best lie detector.”

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Ukraine drops its nonaligned status

KIEV, Ukraine (AP)
— Ukraine's president signed a bill Monday dropping his nation's nonaligned status but signaled that he will hold a referendum before seeking NATO membership.

Using a news conference to sign the legislation, which parliament had adopted last week, Petro Poroshenko vowed to reform Ukraine's economy and military forces to meet European Union and NATO standards.

But he also said he will leave it up to Ukrainian citizens to decide in a popular vote whether to join NATO or not.

"When we are able to conform to these criteria, the people of Ukraine will make up their mind about the membership," Poroshenko said, adding that this will likely happen in the next five to six years.

While public support for joining the alliance has swelled after Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March and a pro-Russia insurgency in eastern Ukraine, prospects for NATO membership in the near term appear dim.

With its long-underfunded military suffering from the war with the separatists and the country's economy in peril, Ukraine has much to overcome to achieve the stability that the alliance seeks in its members.

Poroshenko said he is planning to meet with leaders of Russia, Germany and France in Kazakhstan's capital, Astana, on Jan. 15 to discuss a peace settlement for eastern Ukraine. The four leaders previously met in France in June.

Ukraine and the West have accused Russia of fueling the rebellion in eastern Ukraine with troops and weapons, which Moscow has denied. Fighting in the east has claimed more than 4,700 people since April.

Representatives of Ukraine and the rebels agreed on a cease-fire in September, but it has been frequently violated as the parties have failed to reach a deal on a line of division to create a buffer zone.

Poroshenko said he still believes there is "no military solution" to the conflict in the east, adding that he will press Russia to withdraw its soldiers from Ukraine and seal the border.

NATO Does Not Want Ukraine to Apply for Membership

by Ira Louis Straus

Now that Ukraine has voted to drop its non-aligned status, we are hearing an official story from Russia that "NATO has pushed Ukraine to do this." Endlessly repeated, it is exactly opposite to the truth. Russia's agression has changed popular opinion in Ukraine. Until recently every poll indicated that a plurality of Ukrainians was opposed to joining NATO -- the only qualification that Ukraine was lacking. NATO, however, still does not want Ukraine to apply.

No actor in NATO or the West has pushed Ukraine to drop its non-aligned status. The NATO countries and agencies for the last five years have been against the idea of Ukraine joining. No one in NATO wants Ukraine to apply for membership at this time because they all know they would reject it, making it an embarrassment for both themselves and Ukraine.

It is Russia, and Russia alone, that has pushed Ukraine into dropping its non-aligned status and trying to get into NATO.

And it is Russia alone that has transformed the views of Ukrainians about joining NATO. There was a large, quite secure plurality of Ukrainians against joining NATO in every poll from 1991 to 2013. There is a plurality of Ukrainians today in favor of joining NATO.

Public support was the only qualification for joining NATO that Ukraine was lacking all these years. It was the ground on which Ukraine was rejected by NATO in 2008, when the Bush Administration really did want Ukraine to join. No amount of "education" from Kiev or Brussels ever made a dent in the popular opposition to joining. Russia, and Russia alone, has done that. It has thereby made Ukraine qualified to join NATO.

That is what made it politically feasible for the Ukrainian government to rescind the law on non-alignment.

This is the first time ever that Ukraine has been qualified to join NATO. Russia needs to face the fact that it is the cause of this change.

One could joke about how Russia has scored an "own goal" with this, but it is a very bitter fact for Russia. It needs to take ownership of the fact and stop projecting blame. No one "did it" to Russia. Russia did it to itself.

Why doesn't the West want Ukraine in NATO, even now that it is qualified to join? It would seem easy to believe the Russian line that NATO is trying to get Ukraine in; this perhaps facilitates things for Russia as it talks itself and its believers into its alternative reality. But NATO in fact doesn't want Ukraine, for four reasons: legitimate diplomatic concerns, inaccurate ingrained beliefs about the rules on NATO membership, domestic politics, and inertia. Reality is the exact reverse of the Russian narrative about the West pressuring Ukraine to join.

Nevertheless, if Russia keeps pushing on Ukraine and its other Western neighbors, it will someday inevitably succeed in demolishing the resistance in NATO to taking in Ukraine. And then Russia, stuck in a mental universe of false histories of its own creation, will talk with endless repetition about how the West did this to it.

Historians of the real world will record that, if Ukraine in the future becomes a member of NATO without and against Russia, it will have been due to Russia's pressures against Ukraine and the West.

Ira Straus is the US Coordinator of the Committee on Eastern Europe and Russia in NATO.

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• Low 1% house edge. • Provably Fair.  
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