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August 04, 2022, 03:16:12 PM
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Amnesty International: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

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Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.

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Last edit: August 04, 2022, 05:36:56 PM by johhnyUA
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How many cities were recaptured by Ukrainian troops or how many cities saw major uprisings of local residents against the Russian military?

Cheknihiv, Sumi - armed resistanse.

Kherson, - a lot of antirussian demonstarations (1, 2, 3). Through links we can see that demonstration against russian occupation were crowded and there a lot of them in first months. And now, after russians started to kidnap and kill people (typical "liberators") resistanse became more  radical. From demonstrations, to the armed covert ops. Kherson partisans exterminated a lot of russian collaborators, like extermination of Sekhey Tomko or explosion of Dmitry Savluchenko

The same story in Melitopol. Energodar, and many other occupied cities.

Good article about partisans - https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/524164-pust-kollaboranty-boyatsya-kak-partizany-soprotivlyayutsya-rossiyskoy-okkupacii-na-hersonshchine

how Ukrainians meet Russian soldiers: 1, 2

First video - four grannies and one old man. Second video - one woman. 6 people in sum. Yep, looks like true story.
But interesting moment: population of cities under occupation decreased a lot. For example, in Severodonetsk, was around 100k of citizens. And after "denazification" - only 10-20. All other run away (to Ukraine in most, i have few friends from this city) or died.
 
So, even if all who stay in the city would welcome russian, this would be only 10-20 % of city population before the war.

14 thousand people died in total during the 8 years of conflict, most within the first year. That includes those killed by the terrorist ponzi republic sponsored by the KGB. The conflict was essentially frozen (~20-25 deaths per year) before Putin decided to invade and killed many more Donbas residents in the few months than the alleged "bombing" in 8 years.

Exactly. Due to OSCE reports at least 1200 people were tortured from 2014 to 2015 by so-called "popolchentsi". And yeah, in 2021, again due to OSCE only 7 civillian people died in Donbass region, 5 of them due to land mines.

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What are the nicknames "orcs", are you a Nazi or what? And I read your last post here...

......

Maybe your grandfather or great-grandfather fought on the side of the Nazi troops in World War II? That would explain a lot.


Omg, this is excellent. I will add this moment to my thread Deep dive intro culture of russia-Ukraine war

This one is a brilliant example to my update about russian @culture_context

But, maybe it will be better to let me quota myself:


Maybe one of the most widespread russian habbit is to call anyone who oppose them - nazi.

Here is a thread about that fact (if you want to know why is so):
 
Why russians call everyone - "nazi"

If you want to know in short, here is few screenshots:







And guys, here is an example right from this forum:

Oh... so the Ukrainians are right when they call the Orcs "tourists". Putin is still calling this a "special operation", yet he is at war. Nothing of what he says can be trusted (any enemy communication is by definition disinformation). However you can rely on facts [...]

What are the nicknames "orcs", are you a Nazi or what? And I read your last post here...

I wonder how many people in the RF really believe the crap or they are just trying hard to believe it so that they do not feel part of the scum of the Earth.

Maybe your grandfather or great-grandfather fought on the side of the Nazi troops in World War II? That would explain a lot.

Look at this. User Veleor (russian) asking @paxmao if the is a nazi, just because paxmao voices statements which is unpleasant to veleor's ears.

If you against russia or russian - you're 100 % nazi (Again, if you want to know why so - you should read the twitter thread and another thread in the OP post - War of memes: why Z-war won't end with peace: To understand the logic behind Z-invasion you have to keep in mind that Russianness = normality. When you are Russified you just become normal. Z-invasion was planned as a gift or humanitarian operation. That's why Ukrainian resistance is so shocking. They don't want to be normal)

I hope this will be useful to understand russian a little bit more.  Wink

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August 04, 2022, 08:13:53 PM
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In fact, people in the US are only free to yell at the American leadership in Soviet jokes. A case in point was this June in Los Angeles, when a police officer knocked a protesting woman with a megaphone to the ground and then hit her.



This...is such an incredibly stupid and invalid argument.  I can't even...

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August 04, 2022, 08:45:41 PM
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What is that thing Russia is needed to end the war?
What is the main thing Russia is needed to end this war? I am really tired of hearing Russia and Ukrain war. This war has been on for about 7 or 8 months or there about. It is that the war is giving them what they want? Why the war? What is the war all about? Russian President should call off the war because war is bad, it displace persons from their original homes. And makes life unbearable.
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August 04, 2022, 09:04:30 PM
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What is that thing Russia is needed to end the war?
What is the main thing Russia is needed to end this war? I am really tired of hearing Russia and Ukrain war. This war has been on for about 7 or 8 months or there about. It is that the war is giving them what they want? Why the war? What is the war all about? Russian President should call off the war because war is bad, it displace persons from their original homes. And makes life unbearable.
Ukrainische Soldaten nicht kapitulieren. Grin

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August 04, 2022, 09:48:20 PM
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I am really tired of hearing Russia and Ukrain war.

Lol. You tired. But imagine how this is to people who live in Ukraine, especially those in Kharkiv or Mykolayiv, who is shelling bu russian scum day after day. So man, you should stop to write such things, that you're tired. And yeah, gnome putin will not stop. The only way to end this war is to break ridge to russian neoempire.

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August 04, 2022, 10:54:59 PM
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I am really tired of hearing Russia and Ukrain war.

Lol. You tired. But imagine how this is to people who live in Ukraine, especially those in Kharkiv or Mykolayiv, who is shelling bu russian scum day after day. So man, you should stop to write such things, that you're tired. And yeah, gnome putin will not stop. The only way to end this war is to break ridge to russian neoempire.
First world problems - tired to read news about war. At least don't write such bullshit. Now I'm spending my vacations time very well and simply enjoy life, but at the same time thoughts about war comes to my head that people in Ukraine is living in war almost 6 months, many people lost their home, lot of young men dying in front every day and their families won't see them returning from war. And it's unfair. And this guy is tired of hearing about war...




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August 04, 2022, 11:26:41 PM
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In fact, people in the US are only free to yell at the American leadership in Soviet jokes. A case in point was this June in Los Angeles, when a police officer knocked a protesting woman with a megaphone to the ground and then hit her.



This...is such an incredibly stupid and invalid argument.  I can't even...

You see, that would never occur in the RF. Meaning that it would be impossible for anyone to get that close to Adolf Putin's car - not even to Adolf Putin's dog's car. The Tzar has been known to stop and clear traffic from several streets in Moscow when he decides to travel by car.

The argument itself is, as you say stupid. This guy is fighting a lost battle trying to compare the limits to liberty in US or Europe to the despotic limits to expression and the extent of the repression in RF.




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Banning books

Repeating this doesn't make it true. I'm sure great literary works of Russian authors can still be translated and printed in Ukrainian, and perhaps even imported in the original language under one of the exceptions.

Considering shit like this in children's books issued by the "liberators", the restrictions seem about right:

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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes




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The Constitution of Ukraine is no longer respected for you?
...

...

Good point wasn't even aware.



Guess technically Jews could always stop the concentration camps if they had majority in Nazi Germany... Cause you know discrimination and racism is always decided via majority vote

Only if the country is actually democratic and asks people about their opinions.

Are you trying to say Hitler asked the Germans if he should gas Jews in camps or not and acted only after he got the majority of votes?
Putin surely asked the population if he should attack Ukraine and the majority said yes, which is why soldiers were told they'd go to Belarus for training, took a nap in transport trucks and woke up in Ukraine.

That's a nice theory you got there.

No, you completely missing the point. Democracy doesn't prevent discrimination, bigotry, racism... In fact, opinion of the masses should have no baring on questions of ethnic discrimination against minority



de-Russification of Ukraine

I also have a question for people here: Why this is bad? I mean in reality de-russification == de-colonization , so why this is bad? Im' living in Ukraine, and never seen that people were forbidden to speak russian. But yeah, new generations should learn their own language, not some imperialistic and colonial "языГ". So this is like: you are allowed to speak russian, but your children will be ukrainian speaker, if you don't want so you could leave to russia.

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Wow, yeah, that's not racist at all. So nice of you to only discriminate against further generations, and allowing current generation to continue to speak Russian (where majority in capital Kyiv use Russian in their everyday life) i thought there was a higher chance of Ukraine keeping it together, but after your comment, (if you in fact represent majority view) i can see how that will be impossible now.

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...Unesco, the Council of Europe and the OSCE, are concerned with the risk that RMLs [Regional and Minority Languages] face and undertake actions to protect their linguistic rights. Non-respect for regional or minority communities' linguistic rights is qualified as racial discrimination, a breach of human rights.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2016)589794
Ofc not. This is called "decolonization". The same things happens in Africa or in New Zeland with maori. Russian is not the natural language to ukrainians, this is colonial language which was forced to learn by force. So it's normal that country want to leave colonial past behind. If someone want, he can learn russian by himself or in private schools.

And yeah, russian this is not "regional language". Regional language is the language of minority nations which doesn't have their own countries. In Ukraine this is crimean tatar or gagauzi (minority nation near Moldova). And yeah, we need to help them to safe their culture.

Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all.  Roll Eyes. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing



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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area...it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

Sure, let's do that with London as well:



According to your theory, India should be in charge quite a few boroughs of London and Indi made an official language, the rest belong to the Middle East states and many to Ethiopia, so Ethiopian, Urdu, Farsi, Romanian, Polish,... all official.
...

Think you got yourself into a corner there, if not by amount of speakers, how do you think all other countries pick their official languages on national and regional levels?? Should Canada and Finland add Aramaic as their official language instead of French and Swedish?



Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all.  Roll Eyes. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing



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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area...it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing


How not ashamed to lie so STUPIDLY!? Smiley

In Ukraine, there is no ban on the Russian language, in Ukraine, after 2014 years, a sharp drop in interest in a language that turned out not to be a carrier of culture and history, but a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence. The population rejects it en masse. Although the state and even private educational institutions continue to provide such a service. In Kyiv, for example, there are about 20 schools where you can study COMPLETELY in Russian.

Now show me how many schools in Moscow where you can fully study at:
- Ukrainian
- Tatar
- Chechen
- Moldovan
- Tajik
Or is this again a "completely different story", as you usually say when they poke your nose into what you are doing, attributing it to others? Smiley
So there is no need to hysteria and primitive, stupid lies to scatter here. This is not Russia for you - here people think and know the truth Smiley

I'm sorry, but only an imbecile can truly believe that a language can be "a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence." Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, and inadvertently pointed out the root cause of the issue. Asking if a language can be all those things, could be sort of a litmus test. I strongly suggest you reevaluate your position on the language (not asking you to reconsider events or people, but the language itself), and going forward question any sources that made you come to such conclusion.

I would say the same thing if Russia, or any other country for that matter, put in "severe restrictions" on any books based solely on the language the books are written in. Honestly, I'm quite shocked that i even have to explain that censoring books based on the language is bad!

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A strange performance in Kyiv was staged by the relatives of the captured Azov militants who died from the HIMARS strike on Yelenovka. Can anyone explain what this means?

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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

Some better whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments



https://web.archive.org/web/20110626083725/http://www.minjust.ru/ru/activity/nko/fedspisok

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The Constitution of Ukraine is no longer respected for you?
...

...

Good point wasn't even aware.

Why you and other kremlin trolls blind about all other sentences in Aticle 10 of Constitution of Ukraine?

For example: "The official language of Ukraine is ukranian"
That means, that you need to know this language and if you're a government worker you need to operate trough this language. If you're asian, in Britain you will communicate with other people trough english, not chineese or vietnameese.

Or: "The use of languages in Ukraine .... determined by law".
So, while you can't directly ban russian language, you can to determine it spheres of use with easy, through laws. I can't forbid you to communicate in russian, but i can forbid you (and it will be constitutional) to teach students or to listen it on ukrainian radio.

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Well, the Sands are taken. There are significant successes in Avdeevka and Artemovsk (Bakhmut). The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction is again postponed, for the next year or never. The topic of Ukraine becomes boring, especially against the backdrop of another act of the Marlezon Ballet between Israel and the Gaza Strip and the growing tension around Taiwan. And Russia still does not run out of either missiles or combat Buryats.

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.....

 Grin Grin Grin Grin

They tried so hard ... They collected so much information garbage ... But in the end, like the USSR: "The end of capitalism" .... and after a couple of years, the crappiest union in the form of the USSR fell apart Smiley
Tell me - where is Rush Today undergoing such USELESS training for information bots? And you are paid with food or simple paper letters "For the victory in the world, which we envy, but pretend to hate"? Smiley

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Well, the Sands are taken. There are significant successes in Avdeevka and Artemovsk (Bakhmut). The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction is again postponed, for the next year or never. The topic of Ukraine becomes boring, especially against the backdrop of another act of the Marlezon Ballet between Israel and the Gaza Strip and the growing tension around Taiwan. And Russia still does not run out of either missiles or combat Buryats.

Fu ... well, you disappointed me! Is it shallow there? And where, for example, "the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been destroyed by 397%", or "The United States is already on its knees"? Smiley))

Now a bit of reality, instead of your systemic propaganda lies ... Although STOP!
I am now giving a map of hostilities, with the designations of the occupied territories, and territories under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Further there will be a link for everyone, where you can watch the development of events in Ukraine in dynamics. I do not hide anything, I submit it in primary sources. And now, after your next "squeal" about the "new victory of the second army of the world," try to explain why the captured cities .. were not captured? Smiley

The real picture of the situation, which, out of habit, misrepresented, be.open:

1. Avdiivka
picture upload

2. Squeaks


3. Bahmut


Can you prove otherwise? Well, try it! Smiley


And most importantly - do not forget to write about the scale of the losses of the "second army of the world" ... More precisely, about the "second army of the third world" Smiley))

And so - the original source with the chronology: https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053

In the lower right corner there is a clock icon, click and change the time, watch the changes on the map.
Clue:
- pink color - territories temporarily occupied by terrorists from Russia.
- pig muzzles in helmets - groups of Russian troops Smiley


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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

Ah whataboutism, there's no hypocrisy or double standard that it cannot justify. Weren't you taught that whataboutism cannot apply when creating laws? And is actually called discrimination in law. But i must agree it's a convenient tool to prevent population from questioning any and all laws.

If your logic leads you to the following conclusion, think it's safe to say that you're on the wrong side of the argument:
Masha and the Bear = brainwashing children, needs to be censored, require exceptions to import
Mein kampf = totally fine for unlimited circulation without age restriction





I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

Some better whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments



https://web.archive.org/web/20110626083725/http://www.minjust.ru/ru/activity/nko/fedspisok

You seem to be confusing censoring 60% of all of the books on UA market based only on the language they're written in and censoring eight specific books.  

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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

Ah whataboutism, there's no hypocrisy or double standard that it cannot justify. Weren't you taught that whataboutism cannot apply when creating laws? And is actually called discrimination in law. But i must agree it's a convenient tool to prevent population from questioning any and all laws.

If your logic leads you to the following conclusion, think it's safe to say that you're on the wrong side of the argument:
Masha and the Bear = brainwashing children, needs to be censored, require exceptions to import
Mein kampf = totally fine for unlimited circulation without age restriction





I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  Roll Eyes

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

Some better whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments



https://web.archive.org/web/20110626083725/http://www.minjust.ru/ru/activity/nko/fedspisok

You seem to be confusing censoring 60% of all of the books on UA market based only on the language they're written in and censoring eight specific books.  

Oh no, I wasn't trying to compare Ukraine's book bans that took place after being invaded by, and while still at war with Russia, and long standing Russian policy.  They aren't the same thing at all.

I thought I was against banning any book for any reason....but I have to admit "that country just invaded us, unprovoked and have been running around calling us nazis, blowing up random buildings and murdering thousands of random civilians in our country for the past 6 months, Putin is doing to us what Stalin did to Ukrainians a couple generations ago"  seems like an acceptable excuse to ban imports of books from Russia/Belarus, and inspecting all Russian books for Russian propaganda.

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August 06, 2022, 02:41:53 AM
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Look at the Ukrainian military hiding behind their civilian population.


Anger From Ukraine's Backers After Damning Amnesty Report Spotlights 'Human Shields'



The Amnesty report said investigators had "found evidence of Ukrainian forces launching strikes from within populated residential areas, as well as basing themselves in civilian buildings in 19 towns and villages" in three war-torn regions of the country from April through July.

he report detailed that schools and hospitals, as well as people's homes, were put in harm's way, suggesting 'human shields' type tactics utilized by the Ukrainian military.

"Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure," Amnesty continued, saying this resulted in Russian attacks on said civilian infrastructure.

The report detailed further that in 22 of 29 schools visited by an Amnesty team between April and July, investigators found evidence of prior military activity. Additionally, five instances of Ukrainian troops using hospitals as bases were documented.

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