Can you explain why you think that is the case.

I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.

Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?

The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

Thankfully the merit abuse thread created by deadsea33 is locked.

The person currently controlling the deadsea33 account made that thread with the intention of merit abuse. If you ignore them now you will not be able to read their (probably laughable) replies when they post a defence denying wrongdoing.

That is exactly what it comes down to: money

A large number of members participate in signature campaigns and there is nothing wrong with that. For some it is life-changing to earn more in a month here than in their jobs therefore they mismanage the situation.

If they have farmed accounts which are not used for merit abuse, not used for revenge feedback, not used for revenge trust inclusion/exclusion and not used for DT manipulation and they post enough to meet quota for their campaigns then that is different from using the Reputation board trying to remove a neutral tag and getting noticed. If the signature campaign was of such significance they would have refrained from involving themselves in anything beyond their signature campaign quota.

In many cases at least signature campaign participants have contributed positively in some capacity to this wonderful forum of ours but when the greed (as you put it) takes over they lower the bar with low quality participation via their posts and that too can be seen.

Thankfully some members are trying to use the Reputation board to post about these types of things, there is no other option.

As of right now we cannot be sure if the relationship between the two accounts is one of merit abuse between one account farmer or merit selling between accounts operated by different account farmers.

Of the most compelling cases of the suspected nefarious activity with the deadsea33 account at the centre it is the _Hiloveua_ account. That account simply stands out the most because not only has the _Hiloveua_ account already received merits on 24 different occasions to the total of 50 merits, deadsea33 posted that he owes 28 merits to the _Hiloveua_ account which will be given on 29th July 2023. The post is here.







I think you have said something is a fact. $500 a month is more than the national average in many countries therefore it is driving force for account farming. I have no doubt the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account has several accounts. I cannot be confident enough to say how many but it has to be more than the ones connected to his merit abuse thread.

You have clearly noticed the ITExpert account and have a suspicion. I have to say on many occasions the first impression or gut feeling is usually correct but that is a different matter. When I have time I will take a detailed look in that ITExpert account to see what can be discovered, thank you for mentioning it.

I will be busy over the next few days therefore cannot give the investigation the time it deserves and for that reason prefer to not tag accounts periodically but I will tag ALL the accounts associated with the deadsea33 merit abuse at the same time, after I collate evidence.

I was not surprised about the ulterior motive because he is not the only one who has them.

If a member with hardly any posts worth reading and hardly anything positive to contribute to the forum starts a Get Merits thread, that is highly suspicious. When members with little to no history or contributions or newbies miraculously find themselves on that thread receiving merits then that too is highly suspicious.

When the same members are repeatedly given merits seconds after the next game is posted because again they are miraculously online at the correct time, then that too is highly suspicious. Also, what makes it more fascinating is that almost none of the games were posted at the time deadsea33 announced, they were taking place later yet miraculously certain members were there posting and collecting merits.

That is either too many miracles in one thread or something suspicious is definitely going on.

When I originally came across the thread I noticed your name and cygan in the OP and to some degree I think that provided a cover of legitimacy to deadsea33 to carry out nefarious activities including merit abuse. That was also part of his ulterior motive. When members stumble across those boards and notice names of well known and/or respected members in the OP as reference points then it goes a long way to removing the element of doubt.

There was absolutely an ulterior motive therefore I was not surprised deadsea33 was caught out and as usual it is the arrogance that some members of this forum display that brings them down. Had he simply not reacted to the neutral tag placed by hugeblack and had he not started a thread to complain then he would not have had his account analysed.

This is what it is all about managing a Premier League team. Top managers have excellent man-management skills, they know how to get the best from their players by making them believe in his vision for the club. If he does not get sold pre-season and Pochettino allows Ziyech an opportunity to play he has to take it and impress otherwise he could be sold in the winter transfer window.

When Cristiano Ronaldo joined the Saudi Pro League we did not think it would open the floodgates so quickly for Premier League famous names to go there too. Ziyech for £8 million would have been a bargain as long as his knee was not bad but if they are saying he failed the medical he probably did. Now Mahrez is having a medical and soon could be unveiled as another famous player joining the Saudi Pro League.

The game was rigged and that is clear to see. The thread was designed to give merits to accounts deadsea33 wanted to give merits to. It also facilitated the legitimate manner in which any forum member wanted to send merits to deadsea33 for running the game/thread therefore he was successful in more than one way in his deceit.

Hopefully he does not have dozens of accounts but if he does we all need to work together to try to discover them.

I was going to wait a couple of days before starting this thread by collating more screenshots but after I saw the 2 merits you gave to the _Hiloveua_ account in the In Merits, Count Down To Your Next Rank... thread, I decided to create this thread prematurely.

I am preoccupied right now but as soon as I complete looking at the merits between all accounts connected to the deadsea33 account, I will tag them all if there is enough evidence. I do not blame you for not looking at their post history before giving merits because we all have done the same thing (and still do from time to time) but your generosity should not be taken advantage of.

It seems to point very strongly towards merit abuse but one thing is unclear. Is it one puppeteer controlling all the accounts involved as part of a ranking up process on his accounts or is it a deal between other farm operators to send/receive merits between themselves in order to build up the accounts involved. That will be discovered soon.

You should provide evidence of your claim and you should also answer the questions in the OP:

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

I would like to know which information you have collated, hopefully it will shed some light on what is turning out to be a bizarre series of allegations which at the moment loginsam45 is failing to provide evidence to back-up his claim.

Would you be more inclined to say it was either a clever attempt at misdirection or something far less sinister such as being innocent of the allegation made by loginsam45?

This thread has given loginsam45 the platform to express his views and to provide evidence to substantiate his allegations. He has not even taken advantage of that by making a single coherent post.

I am baffled that all of a sudden, the member (loginsam45) that was posting words and sentences with a high degree of accuracy, is now post incoherent ramblings instead of providing evidence supporting his allegations.

The person controlling the deadsea33 account could well have been getting away with his nefarious (and non-nefarious) activities for a long time to come had he not started a thread questioning a simple matter such as a neutral tag. That thread inadvertently brought the deadsea33 account to the attention of the wider community and it was discovered he was not the person that created the account back in 2013 and for that reason he has (it seems) given up on trying to use that account.

You can view the deadsea33 merit history and decide for yourself if anything looks suspicious.

Personally I do not feel the cover/excuse that will be given for the merits being awarded will be sufficient if it is based on this thread: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits" because clearly that was set up in order to find an excusable way to send and receive merits and to present it as a defence if questions were asked about suspicious merits.

The accounts that have received excessive merits and/or questionable merits from the deadsea33 account are free to post here with anything they would like to say. I have no doubt members would welcome their views and comments.

Having said that, at the time of writing this post I will not say the following accounts have engaged in anything suspicious but I will return to this thread when I have time and I will update the OP more accounts if necessary and I will tag any and all accounts I feel have participated in merit abuse.

I am quite intrigued about the allegations and claims made by loginsam45 because it is maybe the first time I have read a member claiming his alt-accounts were stolen and he is listing the names of the alleged stolen accounts.

It seemed the best way forward to discuss that was to have a dedicated thread in order to keep this thread on-topic. The dedicated thread to the issue of loginsam45 and his alleged stolen accounts is here: loginsam45 and his alleged alt-accounts: ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep

loginsam45 has stated in a different unrelated thread that he has several alt-accounts and as a result some that thread is now being taken off-topic. In order to keep the conversation specific to the subject I have opted for this thread.

What can be stated is loginsam45 has not provided any evidence he was duped out of the accounts he claimed he operated. Before consideration is given to tagging all four mentioned accounts there should be a period to allow them all to reply confirming or refuting what loginsam45 has claimed.

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

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Ziyech denies his knee or hip suffer from issues but Al-Nassr said he failed a medical. They agreed £8 million for the sale but Chelsea paid £33 million to Ajax to buy him therefore it is a huge loss. If he does not get sold he will end up staying at Chelsea, there are two years of his current Chelsea deal remaining. It is best for all parties if he leaves and he is only 24 years old (I think), he should be able to kick-start his career elsewhere.

I cannot understand why Arteta believes that much in Havertz to pay £65 million when he cannot cope with life in the Premier League. He has potential to be a goal scorer if he receives the ball from talented assist makers (which Arsenal have) but I cannot see him staying at Arsenal beyond two seasons as he will probably be sold after being unable to prove himself.

Chelsea have benefitted from selling Havertz for that much therefore that is a success for them to get him off their payroll.

I am glad you stated Pochettino will bring improvements to the team. I think he will bring instant success and they will win a trophy in his first season.

Of that six Ziyech had potential to be a long term Chelsea player. I do not know what went wrong for him but he is clearly not part of a team that Pochettino is building.

stormbounty has regularly distorted messages to suit his agenda. Apparently (according to him) several forum members along with Whirlwind are scammers and all because he lost his private key containing $200.

Do you remember his posts when stated humanity was dead or dying? He also stated he had medical bills to pay and he had taken loans. stormbounty is nothing more than an attention-seeker and thus his words should not be given any form of importance.

He really should take your advice and go out more.

Guardiola is a master of buying and selling players at the right time. The only other manager I can think of that did it consistently in the Premier League was ex-Manchester United manager Ferguson. Like you I think Manchester City will struggle even if he replaces the players he sells and it will be difficult for them to retain the Premier League title.

From my perspective the Premier League is the best and most exciting football league in the world therefore they should have the best players, coaches and managers. With you being an ardent Chelsea fan, what are your views on Pochettino being installed as their new manager? I state without hesitation that Chelsea will finish next season in the top four that is how much Pochettino will elevate them.

The players that did not go on the pre-season tour of the USA were Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Callum Hudson-Odoi, Romelu Lukaku, Hakim Ziyech, Harvey Vale and Omari Hutchinson. It seems Pochettino does not have them in his plans and they will be sold before the season begins.

If he intended to make positive contributions he would have done it. It seems he signed up simply to make as many posts as he could and whether he was banned for flooding or otherwise, I am glad he will not be back.

If you add ulterior motives to the equation then it means they could deliberately be turning away from what is being presented to them therefore that is a different angle as to why they cannot be helped.

I was about to lock it before I noticed your post. Done.

Jurrien Timber is only 22 years old and has the makings of a good long-term defender option but the £34 million price Arsenal paid has to be called in to question because he was playing for Ajax in The Netherlands which is not the most competitive league. Along with the £105 million they paid for 24 year old Rice and the £65 million they paid for 24 year old Havertz, it shows Arteta is banking on youth to deliver him the Premier League title.

He spent over £200 million this pre-season therefore therefore Arsenal have to perform otherwise he his job will be on the line.

I need to have a look through the official transfers at Chelsea on their website, I really have no idea what Pochettino has been doing apart from Kante leaving. What I do know though is he will fill Chelsea with confidence and they will be title contenders.

There were football commentators (some were ex-players) making it clear Rice was not worth a maximum of £60 million. West Ham United are the real main  beneficiaries of the deal as they have received £105 million and now they have to recruit the players that will help them have a comfortable season.

Credit goes to hugeblack for placing the initial neutral tag. After deadsea33 decided to make a thread to try to pressure hugeblack to remove the neutral tag it brought his account to the attention of the wider community. When members started looking at his post history it was clear the current owner/operator of the deadsea33 account was not the one who originally created it in 2013.

The last time I checked the deadsea33 account still has not been removed from the YoMix campaign but let us see what happens in the coming days. The irony here is that deadsea33 created the thread to try to get his neutral tag removed and was accepted in to the YoMix signature campaign on the same day.

In the previous 10 days (since he created the thread to try to have the single neutral tag removed), he achieved nothing except making a total of 2 posts below therefore it goes to show how expendable the deadsea33 account was to the current owner/operator:

Apart from the Beginners and Help board there is nothing to guide newbies when they sign up to become members in the forum. A pop-up message would certainly guide them to the right link but in the case of the Rosemar41 account, there was no attempt by the operator at making the account a useful contributor in any capacity. Those one-liners were a clear indicator of what that account was intending to be.

I am glad the moderators were very fast and took notice of my request to have the account banned.

If we all try to stay vigilant we will spot these types of accounts early after they are created and can report them.

This member has created the Rosemar41 account today. I have reported the user to be banned.

As of yet this member Rosemar41 has already made 21 posts, all made today of-course and you can read between the lines to understand why I reported him: