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1361  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bigger blocks coming in release 0.11 on: May 05, 2015, 03:48:13 AM
one small step for future upscaling one Giant Leap towards complete centralisation  Lips sealed
1362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: May 05, 2015, 01:49:13 AM
wow a record level of FUD on litecoin.....keep it up, I remember what happen last time litecoin was dead  Tongue
1363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Community, please tell the devs what features do you want in an altcoin on: May 03, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
I have noticed that there are new people asking around how to make an altcoin.  Well I think it might be a good idea to tell them what features we would like to have in their altcoin.

Please post what features you would want to see in a new altcoin.

non existence would be the best feature for any new alt.

already 1001 alts doing the same damn things, alts made purely to mine etc etc
1364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: May 01, 2015, 06:06:10 AM
in the past it all used to be about the miners, what the miners supported would win, but thats all changing its getting more and more about the market, even a non mineable coin can survive.

truth be told the future will be even further from the miner, even the core dev will tell you themselves that POW was only ever designed to be a short term solution.



PoW, a short term solution? No, that's not what Satoshi envisioned. Why do you get such an odd idea?

then you wont like 20:59  Shocked in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w

so yeah not my idea.

This citation does not support your claim that POW was only ever designed to be short term.

In the video, Mike Hearn claims (and hopes) that one day, someone will come up with a better system.  He explain what he doesn't like about proof-of-work by observing that it is barely a rough approximation to "one person, one vote".

I find nothing objectionable here.  This is purely a statement about technological progress which promotes neither proof-of-stake nor indeed democracy.

i was replying to "Why do you get such an odd idea?" and gave a quote from just one example of a video i'd watched 10 min earlier to back up that even the core devs will backup that pow is not the future direction of bitcoin, and they have no idea what will replace it.

Here, it appears you are trying to change your claim to match the source rather than admit error.  I maintain that your original claim is not supported by the citation you provided.

With the remainder of your post (omitted), you shred your reputation for doing research.  You openly admit that your statements are routinely shot down and go on to try and shout away the concept of philosophic burden of proof.

Ignored.

sorry no error on my part, tis stating the obvious that POW was only a short term solution, anyone who has even only done half assessed research will know that.

in fact it would help my own arguments in this thread against bitcoin core devs to say "look they want bitcoin to move away from pow wow thats so against satoshi's original plans" now wouldn't it? but its the one point i'm defending the core devs on strangely enough.

i'm not going to find and link every satoshi statement to that effect just to defend my research too you. especially when thats defending the devs i'm not a fan of.

ignore away  Kiss
1365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: May 01, 2015, 02:15:38 AM
in the past it all used to be about the miners, what the miners supported would win, but thats all changing its getting more and more about the market, even a non mineable coin can survive.

truth be told the future will be even further from the miner, even the core dev will tell you themselves that POW was only ever designed to be a short term solution.



PoW, a short term solution? No, that's not what Satoshi envisioned. Why do you get such an odd idea?

then you wont like 20:59  Shocked in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w

so yeah not my idea.

This citation does not support your claim that POW was only ever designed to be short term.

In the video, Mike Hearn claims (and hopes) that one day, someone will come up with a better system.  He explain what he doesn't like about proof-of-work by observing that it is barely a rough approximation to "one person, one vote".

I find nothing objectionable here.  This is purely a statement about technological progress which promotes neither proof-of-stake nor indeed democracy.

i was replying to "Why do you get such an odd idea?" and gave a quote from just one example of a video i'd watched 10 min earlier to back up that even the core devs will backup that pow is not the future direction of bitcoin, and they have no idea what will replace it.

now as for satoshi view it is in all the old crypto newsgroups from before this forum, satoshi was look for a distribution method and went through many until just settling on pow stating on many occasions that that is a shortterm fix, and simple i don't have the time to got through all that too highlight that......so as we say in the daytrading DYOR.


time and time again i make statements from what i heard, read etc from the core team, satoshi, only repeating what i heard and read, and people shoot it down......but i never make this shit up, i just repeat...so i don't need to continually debate it ad nausea......i mean shit people do your own research on what the core team is upto, thinking,doing etc

the lack of research is why these core developers are able to head down such a centralised root for bitcoin.

did you know the core devs don't agree with blockchain voting because they don't want people telling them what to code?

did you know Gavin and its from his own words is increasing the block size even if bitcoin users are against, stating he only has to convince 5 people to do it (thats less people the had to be convinced to go with the banks big bailout. Shocked )...and good ol Mikey wants it too be just ONE!

(note i'm not debating whether or not these are the way to go, just that the cores lack of respect for the grass roots users, which makes in centralised).

now the reason why the core gets away with this shit, and the reason why the shit hits the fan after TBF screws up, reason why people lost money on gox....is because i have to continually cite where i got the info......

i shouldn't have to cite because YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW!

its like on the sharemarket often have people asking me about companies they already invested in  Shocked

i always reply hell if i invest in a company i even know what the directors dog had for breakfast.

you know two of the reasons i like ltc;

because warren (who've i've trolled, abuse etc on an occasion or 10), has more respect for users then all the smug pseudo banker types in btc core put together.

the LA is a group by the users for the users completely seperate from the devs, while TBA is a group of self interested would be corporate wanker types trying to control the would be banker wanker types of the btc core.
1366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 30, 2015, 02:57:10 PM
in the past it all used to be about the miners, what the miners supported would win, but thats all changing its getting more and more about the market, even a non mineable coin can survive.

truth be told the future will be even further from the miner, even the core dev will tell you themselves that POW was only ever designed to be a short term solution.



PoW, a short term solution? No, that's not what Satoshi envisioned. Why do you get such an odd idea?

then you wont like 20:59  Shocked in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w

so yeah not my idea.
1367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 30, 2015, 02:31:05 PM
Litecoin became the #2 coin because of how it was developed and the niche that is served in the early days. It was created by the already established Bitcoin community with the idea that eventually Bitcoin would hit huge $ values, and people would be hesitant to send someone 0.00050102 for a cup of coffee, so why not create a tandem currency designed to be lower valued for smaller transactions? Not to mention, BFL's Jalapenos were set to release shortly after Litecoin came onto the scene, so all of the Bitcoin miners that were panicking about their expensive GPU farms becoming obsolete had financial reason to support Litecoin. (Due to BFL being BFL it was another 8 months before anything came out)

There was a point when a very large portion of the Bitcoin forums/Bitcoin users in general supported Litecoin, because of what I stated before. They weren't in competition so no ill will was held. After the Alt Coin shitstorm where every coin in existance jumped in price following the Bitcoin take off, people realized it was profitable to pump, dump, and scam with coins meant to manipulate people and then fall into obscurity after their Bitcoins were parted from them. This yielded more Bitcoin purists and the community we see today.

There was a time when creating a crypto currency was a feat. Now there are generators that produce them for you, the thrill and support for alt coins is now mostly held by the dumpers.


in the past it all used to be about the miners, what the miners supported would win, but thats all changing its getting more and more about the market, even a non mineable coin can survive.

truth be told the future will be even further from the miner, even the core dev will tell you themselves that POW was only ever designed to be a short term solution.



But what do you think will be used instead of PoW? Another algorithm, another type of proof? PoS maybe? Thing is... if we want decentralized cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, we need them to work the way Bitcoin does, the market can't possibly take over the core principles.

i have no idea what they'll move it too, and i think at this point either do they.

"decentralized cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin" ....i seriously question peoples definition of decentralised when i read statements like that.
1368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 30, 2015, 07:13:23 AM
Litecoin became the #2 coin because of how it was developed and the niche that is served in the early days. It was created by the already established Bitcoin community with the idea that eventually Bitcoin would hit huge $ values, and people would be hesitant to send someone 0.00050102 for a cup of coffee, so why not create a tandem currency designed to be lower valued for smaller transactions? Not to mention, BFL's Jalapenos were set to release shortly after Litecoin came onto the scene, so all of the Bitcoin miners that were panicking about their expensive GPU farms becoming obsolete had financial reason to support Litecoin. (Due to BFL being BFL it was another 8 months before anything came out)

There was a point when a very large portion of the Bitcoin forums/Bitcoin users in general supported Litecoin, because of what I stated before. They weren't in competition so no ill will was held. After the Alt Coin shitstorm where every coin in existance jumped in price following the Bitcoin take off, people realized it was profitable to pump, dump, and scam with coins meant to manipulate people and then fall into obscurity after their Bitcoins were parted from them. This yielded more Bitcoin purists and the community we see today.

There was a time when creating a crypto currency was a feat. Now there are generators that produce them for you, the thrill and support for alt coins is now mostly held by the dumpers.


in the past it all used to be about the miners, what the miners supported would win, but thats all changing its getting more and more about the market, even a non mineable coin can survive.

truth be told the future will be even further from the miner, even the core dev will tell you themselves that POW was only ever designed to be a short term solution.

1369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Richard Branson to Host Bitcoin Summit on Private Island on: April 29, 2015, 03:52:29 AM
looks like nothing about bitcoin, more about would-be entrepreneurs with business surrounding bitcoin all for the fiat  Undecided


1370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 28, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
"Fuck Litecoin." -Satoshi Nakamoto

"f%&k hornets"; gets bug spray- Coblee  Wink
1371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 28, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
I recommend litecoin more because it's faster and cheaper and also better distributed and with smaller blockchain.
There are lots of coins more fast and cheaper than litcoin, is that means these coin better than litcoin /bitcoin? The answer is absolutely not.

ok then; "I recommend litecoin more because it's faster and cheaper and also better distributed and with smaller blockchain." and not created in the quest for more fiat.........fixed.
1372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
one big one being we know the original dev, btc's got an anon dev with 1 million stash, i'm a crypto enthusiast and that don't sit well with me, hows average joe going to accept that as an alternative to the greedy fiat banker  Huh

Yeah, but the “original dev” of Litecoin based his development on Satoshi's code, so if there was a problem with Bitcoin, it would affect Litecoin as well.

not on this particular point because its a completely fresh ledger.

So what? The code is the same, just with some changed parameters. If Bitcoin code has a bug, Litecoin has it too.
 

its not about the code, its about being anon then doing a runner with ~1million coinage
1373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 12:46:24 PM
one big one being we know the original dev, btc's got an anon dev with 1 million stash, i'm a crypto enthusiast and that don't sit well with me, hows average joe going to accept that as an alternative to the greedy fiat banker  Huh

Yeah, but the “original dev” of Litecoin based his development on Satoshi's code, so if there was a problem with Bitcoin, it would affect Litecoin as well.

not on this particular point because its a completely fresh ledger.
1374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 12:33:47 PM
as i've said before for real world mainstream adoption ltc has huge advantages over bitcoin;

one big one being we know the original dev, btc's got an anon dev with 1 million stash, i'm a crypto enthusiast and that don't sit well with me, hows average joe going to accept that as an alternative to the greedy fiat banker  Huh

bitcoins foundation and core dramas crossed the decentralised line a time or 10 already, lets add gox, silkroad dramas, the fact that a savy lawyer could oneday class action against all bitcoin users for holding a great % of stolen bitcoin (possession of stolen goods is illegal in most places).

come on seriously bitcoin is a regulators nightmare,

lets get too useability, come on seriously any you guys actually use bitcoin?

litecoin i use cross exchange trading so much smoother then bitcoin, in practice, in my real world experience. not yet had a mac client for bitcoin work, not had a problem with litecoin (use both windblows and mac).

god where do i stop.

LTC came pretty close to being listed on Gox.  In a way, you're lucky they were so hopeless at coding, otherwise they might have added support for Litecoin just in time to swallow up a nice big chunk of coins.  So let's not pretend you would have been immune from that fallout had things been different.  Many of the other examples you've listed could also apply to LTC.  How is it any easier to regulate?  If you've traded plenty of Litecoin, how do you know none of yours is stolen?  It's not like other cryptocurrencies are magically immune to theft of fraud.

i've not stated other currencies (including fiat) aren't subject to the same issue, but clearly btc is alot more tainted, and such has been splashed all over the news, rightly or wrongly it doesn't paint a nice picture of bitcoin to the mass market.

well i have been privy to some (irl i run a company that helps other companies list on markets) of the regulation hurdles faced with the upcoming bitcoin etf, the anon dev thing was the biggest hurdle with regulators.




1375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
Why people need Ltc?


why do we need btc? if we have something better  Wink

and define what you mean by need? i mean most the world gets along fine without cryptocurrencies.
You mean LTC is better than BTC? I don't see anything Ltc is better than Btc, Ltc is just a copy of BTC and almost no people use it.


as i've said before for real world mainstream adoption ltc has huge advantages over bitcoin;

one big one being we know the original dev, btc's got an anon dev with 1 million stash, i'm a crypto enthusiast and that don't sit well with me, hows average joe going to accept that as an alternative to the greedy fiat banker  Huh

bitcoins foundation and core dramas crossed the decentralised line a time or 10 already, lets add gox, silkroad dramas, the fact that a savy lawyer could oneday class action against all bitcoin users for holding a great % of stolen bitcoin (possession of stolen goods is illegal in most places).

come on seriously bitcoin is a regulators nightmare,

lets get too useability, come on seriously any you guys actually use bitcoin?

litecoin i use cross exchange trading so much smoother then bitcoin, in practice, in my real world experience. not yet had a mac client for bitcoin work, not had a problem with litecoin (use both windblows and mac).


problem is most people here have such an emotional attachment to having bitcoin work that they excuse the glaringly obvious problems with it.

 






 
1376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin confirmations times are taking over 4 EFFING HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 27, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
fees, not instant transactions unless you go through a middleman, and its an alternative to fiat  Roll Eyes
1377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 08:43:16 AM
I'd rather live in a world where Bitcoin became the dominant currency and Litecoin has died than in a world where Litecoin is still the #2 cryptocurrency but very few people use Bitcoin or Litecoin.

well tbh your diplomacy and not wanting to take on bitcoin headon has helped litecoin succeed relative to previous alts, however litecoin can and should take advantage of its 2nd place to bitcoin.

if litecoin stays a few steps behind bitcoin, it can avoid any trip-ups bitcoin makes and thus have an advantage, admittedly any terminal trip up by bitcoin, at this point in time, would likely spell the end for all existing cryptos.


while i think the idea behind bitcoin was a step in the right direction, i can't see it (or any other current cryptos) succeeding in any meaningful ways as a competitor to fiat.

though soon enough a alternative digital currency will come along that can, the only thing good to come out of the crypto scene todate is the 'idea'.

yes bitcoin will become a flavor of the day trading commodity (well really a pseudo fiat trading token), a few small time wall street players may pump it for a spin in time, so the into making fiat crowd here will have smiles soon enough.


1378  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin v. Bitcoin on: April 27, 2015, 08:21:37 AM
Why people need Ltc?


why do we need btc? if we have something better  Wink

and define what you mean by need? i mean most the world gets along fine without cryptocurrencies.
1379  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin confirmations times are taking over 4 EFFING HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 27, 2015, 08:20:21 AM

and satoshi don't agree with you


but then he also didn't agree with me when I said there was no imaginary killer hornets chasing us  Huh
1380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin confirmations times are taking over 4 EFFING HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 27, 2015, 08:04:17 AM
Litecoin is 4 times faster...so just one hour  Wink

never had litecoin transfer blow out that far, but yeah its why i use litecoin over bitcoin in trading.
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