then that pretty much is full circle and defeats the whole purpose of alt to fiat currencies.

the upside to cryptos is they put you in control of your money.

the downside to cryptos is they put you in control of your money 

simple rule don't put anyone else in control of you cryptos otherwise ur better off sticking to fiat.

now few hours later $1:38 n fallin  

you mean fiat price? for someone who's been around as long as you claim yet don't even understand the difference between price n value

sorry i always assume alt currencies was about fiat doing the walking  

but if u guys continually pump based on the fiat price then ur doing ur coin no favors in claiming its a genuine crypto...but thats lost on you.

can you guys settle down on having 10001 shills push this on the forum, you guys do yourself no favors.

fiat making scam

wow i can see you're going to be a credit to the ethereum push 

yes and we are going to get flooded with a zillion n 1 newbie accounts pushing it to try and convience its not a money make scamcoin for a select group of people 

well idiots will buy into this trash, but anyways let it get its 2.5 minutes of fame.

sorry i missing something here.

name 1 single person spots has actually scammed, amount, and how so?

na think they blew it on lambos n the like  

i think traders quickly replaces miners as the largest holders in most alts.

problem is around here, everyone's carried away with all this innovation nonsense, i guess that comes with the nerdy territory. however there is very very little understanding of even the most basic economic models.

you ask the average tool what gives fiat its value, they prattle on about gov and guns etc...without the slightest understanding.

then you get the tin hat crowd with their fractional reserve leading fiat creation debt money dribble  

ask how bitcoin gets it price and u'll get a commodity tends to be priced towards the cost of production equal absolute bs dribble.

i can absolutely say without reservation that any community that even slightly believes in any of the above has less the ZERO chance of creating a usable currency.

so disconnected from reality despite your self-gratifying erroneous believe that you have some amazing insight (because u watch a few youtube videos) above the average joe's.

then the rest of the crowds is here simply for the fiat; well atleast that makes sense.

but whats missing is the real opportunity to create something of value, like i say often, the only thing good to ever come out of crypto todate is the; idea.

the best innovation, won't be all the bs bells and whistle everyones trying to sell here, but something that makes it all simple.

not at all, i dont have any direct knowledge of Mr Garza's actions, only hearsay, and around here i take that with a grain of salt, and i can assure you there are way worse going ons around these parts.

yet to meet a person in the crypto community that could be considered genius level, and yet to see a name dropped in this thread that could be considered smart, let alone genius, let alone super genius  

in fact the average level of intelligence in this community is alarming (guess it comes with the territory; greed, internets, tin hats etc).

but to the OP intended question;

"too many cooks spoil the broth"

the question now should be with p2p alts of various flavors is their any need for bitcoin?

seems a bit animal farmish the whole bitcoin thing now 

oh the irony of crypto development needing fiat   

hmm ur own number 2) is a good analysis of ur own point 1) 

yes, i don't think people get it the Aus gov classifies things more to their benefit not to that of the likes of bitcoin.

anyways the whole point of p2p currency is to be indifferent to gov.......just sayin 

yes (i didn't say as i don't want this thread to turn into another plug ur alt coin thread)