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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What does NEM, Litecoin and Stellar have in common? on: April 19, 2015, 08:58:07 AM
thread makes no sense at all. for litecoin holders stellar (wtf that even is) nore nem (along with lame ass nxt crap) even come on their radar.
1402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 17, 2015, 08:57:48 AM
i've been around this community a few years and i still don't get why anyone would chose bitcoin.

Drug dealers, cyber hackers, underworld hoodlums, and anonymous fraudsters will always need an efficient way to exchange/ransom money.

Bitcoin does an excellent job at providing that niche medium of exchange.
You are trolling right? I have enough of people claiming that bitcoin is only good for fraudsters, robbers, kidnappers, hackers and other crime oriented professions. Bitcoin is just a tool, just like knife or gun. Do you think that every gun should be banned because some killer can use it for murder? Normal FIATs (paper money) are untraceable and hard to track as well...

as this threads about bitcoin v other p2p options (and not v fiat), microguy has a point. not saying other successful alt wouldn't equally be used similarly, but bitcoin does (whether erroneously or not) have a bad reputation for being associated with crime; which is certainly a barrier to further adoption.
1403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 17, 2015, 08:32:20 AM
i've been around this community a few years and i still don't get why anyone would chose bitcoin.

don't get me wrong i believe in an alternative p2p currency, but to me bitcoin certainly doesn't cut it.

about the only answer people have is first mover advantage. but that's pretty much it.

bitcoin seems to, over time, be drifting more into a centralised system, core dev team where so few as 5 completely control the code, backed by what has come to light time and time again a very questionable central organisation.

have VC with their little startups jumping on board left right and center, and we know their goals  Kiss, bitcoin's heading more and more like being the bank product it was meant to be an alternative to  Shocked

seems the only way to back bitcoin is keep your head it the sand and hope it'll all turn out good in the end........

Have you already found an alternative? Or it's just an concept/forecast by now?

well i think there is atleast one coin better the bitcoin, but this thread is more about the concept of looking elsewhere and not just being stuck in the bitcoin is best nothing could better it, mindset.

also having been behind the scenes in many a crypto, i've considered creating in my mind the ideal p2p currency, just many an issue i have with all current cryptos arent easy to solve.
So you asked us "Why bitcoin"? And I have another question for you. "If not the Bitcoin then what"? Are you telling us that the bitcoin is the dead end of evolution of cryptocurrency? Do you think we should abandon it and create some other coin now? Or do you think FIAT is enough and we don't need to bother ourselves with cryptocurrency at all?

well yes i kinda do get the feeling bitcoin is a dead end road, i like the idea of a decentralised p2p currency, definitely.

i think if you read up about bitcoin and the theories and the hype from the core crypto nerds and the would be new world bankers with vc backing, there's a bit of an initial wow, great concept.

then you try to use it, investigate a little more how it solves some of the problems it tries to address, then the sparkle goes a way.

i think fiat certainly aint the way forward, and the current system is kept alive because of the fear of what would happen (at this point in time) if the system failed.

i think we should certainly investigate better ways to solve many of the flaws in bitcoin.

the alt community should be doing this but the crypto faithful in it are too stuck in how bitcoin does it mindset, and have a tendency to further complicate the solutions, and the not so faithful flood it with get rich quick scamcoins.


So you admit it yourself that bitcoin is indeed the best option we could have for now. I can see that you are trying to say that FIATs are relicts of the past. Altcoins in general are distraction and wasting time for something what will probably fail in the long run or will be very hard to 'put through' (as great number of them failed already are in the process of failing). And our really one and only option is to focus on perfecting bitcoin...

well you're interpreting what i am saying wrong. i'm know there alts that are better then bitcoin even as we speak, certainly they are not perfect but a few are certainly an improvement on bitcoin.

as i've been saying bitcoiners are too blinked in thinking bitcoin is the only way, so in essence, for p2p currencies to move closer to ideal its bitcoin that is the distraction, and the cryptocommunities obsession with this extremely flawed approach is bad for the future of alt currencies.


i'd certainly agree the alts section here is flooded with scams and crapcoins and thats a distraction as well.
1404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 17, 2015, 02:22:55 AM
Also, you didn't answer my question:
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What/who is stopping you from becoming influential/valuable dev?

probably because there are so many questions in this thread (well including people answering a question with a question).
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Not really, I don't think there are that many questions in this thread.
You seem to be very selective in your replies and haven't address most of the things from my last 2 posts.

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anyways whats stoping me becoming an influential/valuable dev, if you mean in bitcoin; lack of faith in bitcoin. not from the first day i used bitcoin  (many years ago) have considered it even remotely likely to ever become a useful alternative to fiat.

as for dev of something i see promising in the future, be happy too.


That's not what I meant.

You call Bitcoin centralised because of "only 5 core devs", while there's absolutely nothing stopping you from being the dev yourself. You don't need anyone's permission. If you have knowledge/skills and can use arguments to convince others to your ideas you could have more influence then those 5.

As for now, you sound like complaining about 'water being too wet'.

of course i'm selective of the questions atm, because i don't have the time to properly fully answer most the questions, and I wrote the initial questions to get other peoples answers, i already know my own.

again i think you miss where i am coming from......i would not be interested in being a dev of bitcoin, because outside of it being a p2p currency, its extremely rare i like any aspect of it, be better devoting my time to a project i'd believe in.

yes you're saying if you don't like aspects of bitcoin, its opensource so fix it, i'm saying its not bitcoin i'm being critical of here, its people's blinked 'bitcoin is the greatest nothing can beat it' mindset i'm being critical of.

in fact i believe its a great possibility the bitcoin is extremely bad for the success of a true p2p currency. its almost more like an experiment to prove those who hate the bankers of the world become them when given the same power.
1405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think quantum computers would break Bitcoin's security? on: April 16, 2015, 12:39:32 PM
when it can bitcoin's security will be the least of your problems  Wink
1406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 16, 2015, 12:30:34 PM
Also, you didn't answer my question:
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What/who is stopping you from becoming influential/valuable dev?

probably because there are so many questions in this thread (well including people answering a question with a question).

anyways whats stoping me becoming an influential/valuable dev, if you mean in bitcoin; lack of faith in bitcoin. not from the first day i used bitcoin  (many years ago) have considered it even remotely likely to ever become a useful alternative to fiat.

as for dev of something i see promising in the future, be happy too.


1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [FTC] Introducing featherPay - Point of Sale Device for Feathercoin on: April 16, 2015, 11:09:00 AM
looks pretty cool.

ftc community is still ticking along it seems, few good things happening so I wouldn't write them off just yet  Wink
1408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin is a ponzi game on: April 15, 2015, 08:11:07 AM
my pet hate is ponzi being about the most miss used terms on this forum, to the OP and replies please learn what a ponzi scheme is before replying/posting.
1409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 14, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
i've been around this community a few years and i still don't get why anyone would chose bitcoin.

don't get me wrong i believe in an alternative p2p currency, but to me bitcoin certainly doesn't cut it.

about the only answer people have is first mover advantage. but that's pretty much it.

It also got biggest network, number of users, adoption rate and nice name. But being first is huge in this case. We're not talking about first grocery store in town, which have a big advantage of being first, but can easily lose it's position to competitors with better prices and better services.

Current bitcoin users cannot switch to other (currently best) coin without turning whole cryptocurrency 'industry' into big joke. If everyone jumped from coin A to better coin B, then no one in the right mind would keep any significant amount of $ (equivalent) in coin B, as there'll be a risk (or even certainty) that someone will launch "new and improved" coin C and everyone will jump on that.

Bitcoin doesn't have to be the best (whatever that means) it has to be "good enough".

And the bottom line is, Bitcoin is not un-changeable. If there's ever new protocol, or improvement invented and everyone (or vast majority) agree is better than the current one, you could switch Bitcoin to that. With the biggest network and user base, that scenario seems more likely to happen than other crypto taking over.

bitcoin seems to, over time, be drifting more into a centralised system, core dev team where so few as 5 completely control the code, backed by what has come to light time and time again a very questionable central organisation.

How do those 5 devs control the code? What do you think will happen if they tried to force the fork that no one else agrees with? They would made themselves irrelevant pretty quickly.

You're not happy with "5"? What's the right number? 7? 20? 1000? No devs at all?

What/who is stopping you from becoming influential/valuable dev?

TBF backing the dev is was probably the most useful thing they ever did.

have VC with their little startups jumping on board left right and center, and we know their goals  Kiss, bitcoin's heading more and more like being the bank product it was meant to be an alternative to  Shocked

And how's that bad? Have they stolen your ability to control your coins? If not, what's the problem? You don't want to use BTC because people/institutions you don't like also have interest in it? Bad news, pick whatever crypto you want, but as soon as it's successful you'll have VC investors and financial institutions all over it.

don't be naive the 5 central devs could pretty much do what they wanted (gavin's even openly says this),

now the argument that majority wouldn't follow a bad play....well that could be valid if 1) the majority aren't apathetic AND 2) the majority understand the change and consequences (they'd believe the devs over and above the vocal few expressing the opposite view) AND 3) the majority had bitcoins best interest at heart rather then their own personal fiat gain.

becomes like fiat majority learn its dodge they'd still try and keep it in play for fear of system collapse.

you really think bitcoin would survive a split between the core devs and the majority of holders?

 
1410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 14, 2015, 12:46:43 PM
i've been around this community a few years and i still don't get why anyone would chose bitcoin.

don't get me wrong i believe in an alternative p2p currency, but to me bitcoin certainly doesn't cut it.

about the only answer people have is first mover advantage. but that's pretty much it.

bitcoin seems to, over time, be drifting more into a centralised system, core dev team where so few as 5 completely control the code, backed by what has come to light time and time again a very questionable central organisation.

have VC with their little startups jumping on board left right and center, and we know their goals  Kiss, bitcoin's heading more and more like being the bank product it was meant to be an alternative to  Shocked

seems the only way to back bitcoin is keep your head it the sand and hope it'll all turn out good in the end........

Have you already found an alternative? Or it's just an concept/forecast by now?

well i think there is atleast one coin better the bitcoin, but this thread is more about the concept of looking elsewhere and not just being stuck in the bitcoin is best nothing could better it, mindset.

also having been behind the scenes in many a crypto, i've considered creating in my mind the ideal p2p currency, just many an issue i have with all current cryptos arent easy to solve.
So you asked us "Why bitcoin"? And I have another question for you. "If not the Bitcoin then what"? Are you telling us that the bitcoin is the dead end of evolution of cryptocurrency? Do you think we should abandon it and create some other coin now? Or do you think FIAT is enough and we don't need to bother ourselves with cryptocurrency at all?

well yes i kinda do get the feeling bitcoin is a dead end road, i like the idea of a decentralised p2p currency, definitely.

i think if you read up about bitcoin and the theories and the hype from the core crypto nerds and the would be new world bankers with vc backing, there's a bit of an initial wow, great concept.

then you try to use it, investigate a little more how it solves some of the problems it tries to address, then the sparkle goes a way.

i think fiat certainly aint the way forward, and the current system is kept alive because of the fear of what would happen (at this point in time) if the system failed.

i think we should certainly investigate better ways to solve many of the flaws in bitcoin.

the alt community should be doing this but the crypto faithful in it are too stuck in how bitcoin does it mindset, and have a tendency to further complicate the solutions, and the not so faithful flood it with get rich quick scamcoins.

1411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 101: What happens when we decentralize money? on: April 14, 2015, 12:33:52 PM
shame though despite all the talking up bitcoin is very centralised Sad
1412  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 10:49:39 PM
My question to the OP is why is this topic self moderated? Are you planning to influence the discussion by removing the posts you don't like?

If you want to ask people "why Bitcoin?" maybe it would be good to ask yourself "why fiat?". This question was already asked at least a 100 times on the forum.

very blinkered mindset, one thing i'm confident of is another p2p currency will surpass btc (not saying such exists yet).

Isn't this the natural way of things? Something will eventually surpass Bitcoin, just like Bitcoin will eventually make services like Western Union obsolete and will offer an alternative to the current banking system.


My guess? Hes about to pump a shitcoin.... Very typical for all the scamcoins bs...

who is?

i think that above discussion is more about something, that doesn't yet exist, replacing bitcoin eventually.

any shitcoin pumping in this thread will be deleted (hence, as stated earlier, the self moderation).
1413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 10:00:18 PM
i've been around this community a few years and i still don't get why anyone would chose bitcoin.

don't get me wrong i believe in an alternative p2p currency, but to me bitcoin certainly doesn't cut it.

about the only answer people have is first mover advantage. but that's pretty much it.

bitcoin seems to, over time, be drifting more into a centralised system, core dev team where so few as 5 completely control the code, backed by what has come to light time and time again a very questionable central organisation.

have VC with their little startups jumping on board left right and center, and we know their goals  Kiss, bitcoin's heading more and more like being the bank product it was meant to be an alternative to  Shocked

seems the only way to back bitcoin is keep your head it the sand and hope it'll all turn out good in the end........

Have you already found an alternative? Or it's just an concept/forecast by now?

well i think there is atleast one coin better the bitcoin, but this thread is more about the concept of looking elsewhere and not just being stuck in the bitcoin is best nothing could better it, mindset.

also having been behind the scenes in many a crypto, i've considered creating in my mind the ideal p2p currency, just many an issue i have with all current cryptos arent easy to solve.
1414  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 09:55:17 PM
My question to the OP is why is this topic self moderated? Are you planning to influence the discussion by removing the posts you don't like?

If you want to ask people "why Bitcoin?" maybe it would be good to ask yourself "why fiat?". This question was already asked at least a 100 times on the forum.

very blinkered mindset, one thing i'm confident of is another p2p currency will surpass btc (not saying such exists yet).

Isn't this the natural way of things? Something will eventually surpass Bitcoin, just like Bitcoin will eventually make services like Western Union obsolete and will offer an alternative to the current banking system.


i haven't deleted any posts and am happy to keep any on topic whether i agree or disagree, just i'm used to the alt section where people use any thread to promote their shitcoin  Wink

again i didn't say 'why fiat' cause i'm more discussing out of crytpos why bitcoin.

i agree with your last comment, i think something could better bitcoin;

 but there seems to be this attitude amongst some bitcoiners that bitcoin is it, nothing can better it, yet i am asking why, especially seeing bitcoin has many flaws, why bitcoin? other then first mover advantage why is bitcoin so perfect and can't be bettered?

1415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 03:30:39 PM
You could ask the same with facebook, why should someone use it instead of a different social network. The answer is simple facebook is the biggest social network with the most support worldwide. Bitcoin is like this the biggest crypto currency in the world, until a new crypto currency comes wich will have more support and more users than bitcoin we will still prefer bitcoin.
It's not exactly comparable, the analogy of the "first this or that". It will never be the same after Bitcoin, it solved too many unseen things and the protocol can and will adapt anything as needed. No coin will ever surpass BTC, it is what it is.

very blinkered mindset, one thing i'm confident of is another p2p currency will surpass btc (not saying such exists yet).
1416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
It's the most popular alternative currency; currencies get better the more people use them.  I wouldn't use, say, altcoin-X, because if I wanted to make a purchase, I'd likely have to exchange altcoin-X into bitcoin or perhaps dollars, so I may as well cut out a step.

But if you're asking why bitcoin is the most popular and not some competitor, it's likely because bitcoin came first so it's the most established; everyone knows bitcoin, not altcoin-X or some other p2p system like, say, ripple.  This may change in the future, nobody knows for sure.

my questionings coming from the angle of why are so many diehard bitcoiners, when its hard to envisage bitcoin being mass adopted, eg anon dev (cool in the crypto underworld not so to average joes or regulators) especially when anon devs hold a million stash etc, silkroad and illegal rep...list goes........first mover advantage yes, but paving the way hasn't come without cost.

(note i'm not arguing satoshi's stash, or any points about btc reputation ie USD used for more illegal etc....so no arguments on the neg just saying those perceptions exist).
1417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 03:07:28 PM

no because pretty much everyone who can figure out an exploit, wants a bitcoin to suceed.


I'm not so sure. There must be tens or hundreds of thousands with similar amounts of skill who would take enormous pride in killing it off if they could.


Well in all honesty there should be internal efforts to find exploits in order to fix them. I know I've read some papers discussing these. There was one relatively recently IIRC.

Back to "why bitcoin?"

1. I also think its reached the too big to fail status. It will be supported because it can't not be supported. If bitcoin fails it all fails (or takes a long time to recover)
2. It has the most secure network (most alts could be 51% with less than astronomical accumulation of hardware (POW) or currency (POS)).



yes the exploit was a sidetrack as most other cryptos suffer similar.

but yeah I'd agree with the too big to fail angle.

not sure about the security v other alts, as pure hash doesn't ensure security. pos/pow combos could be argued as more secure, though pos well, less secure then most realise (n only takes mini resources/currency to exploit, tested that alot).
1418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 02:53:42 PM

no because pretty much everyone who can figure out an exploit, wants a bitcoin to suceed.


I'm not so sure. There must be tens or hundreds of thousands with similar amounts of skill who would take enormous pride in killing it off if they could.


i'll give an example that doesn't give anything away to anyone with malice intent. pools have nearly 51% bitcoin in the recent past but had no malice intent and averted it.

now one could setup a pool and do so, note not that I think a 51% attack is even a real problem so I am giving such as just an example.

1419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 02:47:26 PM
it seems that it take a certain effort, seeing as no one has exploited it since years

you know being around yourself wouldn't take much to think out a plan, just you, or I  or anyone who could figure it out has no motivation too, but thats not saying someone sometime would.


So out of all the skilled people on the planet who could take it apart to either - enrich themselves, have some lulz, prove themselves superior to every one else in the world or do it on behalf of multiple malevolent entities, not a single one has done it because they can't quite be arsed?

no because pretty much everyone who can figure out an exploit, wants bitcoin to suceed.
1420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin? on: April 13, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
it seems that it take a certain effort, seeing as no one has exploited it since years

you know being around yourself wouldn't take much to think out a plan, just you, or I  or anyone who could figure it out has no motivation too, but thats not saying someone sometime would.

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