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1781  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [27th Feb] on: April 21, 2015, 01:17:31 AM
It seems that 55PH/s antpool doesn't qualify for the FF = operates own large mining farm.

FF was retired about 6 months ago, its too speculative / arbitrary to what is a big farm and what isn't. Even Bitmain's farms look small compared to Bitfury's, ASICMiner has more than Spondoolies etc etc but they're all big farms.

Quote
Changelog 10/20/2014
KNC Miner Ethics, F up from FF (-4 to -2) - removed FF criteria from rating system due to being potentially speculative.


The tons of dust on some batches of miners doesn't qualify for P = evidence of premining on preordered equipment

P stopped being used god knows how long ago, far before even this series of change logs.


Also the unethical behaviour of which you can't speak due to your NDA can't qualify for a O = other generic unethical behaviour.

Now you're just saying things for the sake of it. As I explained in detail in the last post, this has NOTHING to do with any NDA with me. Talk to Guy, its his information to reveal. And as I said last time, even if there wasn't this mess surrounding it it still wasn't particularly useful information for this guide.


5) My NDA with Bitmain allows for disclosures of confidential information, non maliciously. That means I am free to do 99.9% of what the community requires. The NDA is primarily there to stop the selling of trade secrets / information not known to the market.
Well revealing some unethical behaviour would be considered maliciously so you simply can't do it because of your boss restrains. Knew that already.
No, no it wouldn't. But yes of course you "knew that already", you're here to argue rather than do anything constructive.


I think you need to reread what you wrote. You're saying that I purposely delayed a reduction in "a direct competitor of Bitmain". Huh
That's exactly what I am saying. Because in December Bitmain needed more help with the ratings/sales than in September. It's not rocket science.
Not sure if you're purposely not reading what you said or trolling....
1782  Other / Meta / Re: Is there a limit on PM inbox/outbox? on: April 21, 2015, 12:43:12 AM
I have more than 256 pages in my outbox and the sorting seems to work fine for me.
Have a play with my inbox if you can. Go to the final page (now 257), sort by "To", the final name displayed is "superresistant". Somehow its cutting off or mis-sorting all names after su, including PMs sent to you.
1783  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AntMiner S4+ available for global sales on April 20th, shipping within one week on: April 21, 2015, 12:14:43 AM
Even at 5c power and no import taxes, it's 250 days to break even, at 10c it's over a year, not much point adding the figures for the UK Smiley
I have 12.6c with residential UK power, so not that far off for me Tongue Although I appreciate the majority of the country only has access to 14-18c.
1784  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Sfards: SF3301 Specifications Revealed [Updated 14/4/15] on: April 20, 2015, 07:26:42 PM
So how do these power specs translate into watts per chip in both modes? Or is there a mistype and those specs should ready J/s? .19J/GH makes no sense.

maybe at the wall .25watts per gh.  best case number

they are vague  as to exact numbers as I type.  152 gh is mentioned but is that for 1 chip?

or is that for a multi chipped testing board?

152 GH/s for a single chip sounds (at least for now) like a pipe dream.

Spondoolies last chip was 200GH, Minion chip was 100GH, so 150 GH seems fine.

Anyway, we'll soon know with the test boards

Apologies, I left out the 152 GH/s while simultaneously doing 3 MH/s Scrypt - but I realize now that might not have been his point. The problems of posting while in class.

I interpreted those as separate mining modes, sha256 or scrypt like the last chip. Mixed mode specs will be interesting but I think most people will run it in a single mode, again like last chip.
1785  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AntMiner S4+ available for global sales on April 20th, shipping within one week on: April 20, 2015, 07:22:27 PM
If anyone is interested, there is a 360 degree view available here. [14MB warning!]
1786  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller/ACCTSeller abusing trust system (here we go again!) on: April 20, 2015, 05:19:48 PM
"Posts per day online" [PPDO] is a nice indicator of what an account is doing or if its logging in, posting then logging out again. It also highlights how much listening they do alongside their talking, ie if they're just hear to preach about something. Looking at the gif, the PPDO of ACCTSeller is just 12, while the quickseller account is at 35 so that doesn't really make sense to be a shill.

for reference, the really obvious shills can reach 80-110, while generally spammy members can also be found as high as 60-70. Most temperate members will sit around 30-40.

>110 megashill / megaspammer
80-110 likely shill
60-70 spammer / 'main' shill account
30-40 normal people
<30 sensible people

Where do we find that PPDO stat at? I am curious what category I fit into! I did the math manualy and I average 6.3 posts per day...not a spammer/shill then \o/


Manually calculate. Post count / time online in days (can see at the top of the page) = PPDO.


Thanks for the info about the index. The other thing I can say about this PPDO index is that in the case of ACCTSeller, the account seems to have been used for very little until recently when it was used for about 24 hours to troll me (it has now gone inactive again).  I don't know if this explains the PPDO numbers you point out (I'm a little slow and I haven't yet understood what those numbers mean).

PPDO isn't affected by bursts of activity / posting because its an entire account's worth of trend setting. When someone views a page, they get 10 (or 15?) minutes of "online" status before the site declares them "offline" again. Those using shills account hop such that they log in, post, and go offline after the automated 10 / 15 minute period has passed.

And just to be clear, PPDO is something I created and its not some well known anti-shil/spaml metric. It does however do a pretty good job at spotting them / spammers and If Theymos ran the numbers against all accounts it would demonstrate some quite clear trends. However do kind in mind that there is also quite a lot of variation depending on the user's chosen subforums which PPDO does NOT take into account. Ie those discussing freely in off topic / speculation will likely have higher PPDO's than those discussing hardware. PPDO could be standardised further to subforum and the demographics in each, but its not data I have access to.

We could discuss this in a spinoff thread if people are interested, propose some variants to increase accuracy / usefulness. Sorry for the derail.

Here are some random PPDO's of the people in the thread:

tspacepilot 206
LaudaM 173
TerminatorXL 72
erikalui 71.4
redsn0w 60.7
Blazedout419 44.3
quickseller 34.7
dogie 16.3
ACCTseller 12.5
1787  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller/ACCTSeller abusing trust system (here we go again!) on: April 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
"Posts per day online" [PPDO] is a nice indicator of what an account is doing or if its logging in, posting then logging out again. It also highlights how much listening they do alongside their talking, ie if they're just hear to preach about something. Looking at the gif, the PPDO of ACCTSeller is just 12, while the quickseller account is at 35 so that doesn't really make sense to be a shill.

for reference, the really obvious shills can reach 80-110, while generally spammy members can also be found as high as 60-70. Most temperate members will sit around 30-40.

>110 megashill / megaspammer
80-110 likely shill
60-70 spammer / 'main' shill account
30-40 normal people
<30 sensible people
1788  Other / Meta / Re: Is there a limit on PM inbox/outbox? on: April 20, 2015, 01:47:41 PM
Search on the PMs is terrible and never works properly for me. I think theymos has acknowledged this before somewhere.
Sorry, I was tired Tongue "Ordering", rather than search.
1789  Other / Meta / Re: Is there a limit on PM inbox/outbox? on: April 20, 2015, 10:36:33 AM
There is no limit on inbox/outbox. theymos said this earlier.

I thought so to, but then search might be messing up. If I sort by alphabetical, on page 1 I have the start of the alphabet [weird symbols etc], on page 256 I get the "s"es. s-z is missing or not sorting properly.
1790  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 20, 2015, 09:29:04 AM

Its hard to when only 1/60 posts is actually about the case, which is CK's point. While there may be some useful content in that old thread, there's so much noise that its untenable to actually find that information in the thread.
Dogie of course you have to say that. Is not as though you contributed anything to the thread. Complaining is easier.

Why do I have to say that? Of course I didn't contribute to that thread, it was unusable and a mess. Not a lot of point investing time into thoughtful discussion there when its going to get buried by PG/GG within 20 seconds.

Odd, for it was PG/GG, me, Bruno Kucinskas, that contributed immensely to the investigation against BFL, conducting more research than most, with more discoveries than all the others combined not part of the "most" part. Recall, I'm the one that shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that BFL used BitPay as their own personal exchange to launder tens of millions of dollars worth of bitcoins via BFL's 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address to fiat, directed toward bank accounts currently unknown, albeit BitPay has the records.

"Bruno is making our new thread unusable and a mess. Meanwhile, you're more than welcome to use our Star System Rating Service, derived via our bespoke Much Wow Algorithm. Apologies for the echo."

I never said you made it unusable, but there was certainly a monopoly on "posting inches" that would have made it difficult for others to contribute. If you slow the thread down and allow a discussion to form, you don't need to repost the same proofs because they've slipped off the page. Stop, slow down, create an 'OP' somewhere which has a summary of the claims and links to evidence.
1791  Other / Meta / Is there a limit on PM inbox/outbox? on: April 20, 2015, 05:28:32 AM
Just went into my sent PMs to find some old links and it appears I can't go past page 256. Without a useful way to search sent PMs, I'll have to go through page by page to find the exact time it, as sorting by user puts it past 256.

Can we get an inbox increase or is there another solution?
1792  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: April 20, 2015, 05:22:12 AM
AFAIK there is no working solution to running S5 off SD card. There are instructions for recovery via SD but its not a full restore and will only work in some cases.
The recovery image has a reflash script in it that should fully re-image the emmc. It should work in all cases where the beaglebone hardware is undamaged.
It would appear it first zeros out the emmc then copies the firmware files from itself. You can look at /etc/init.d/initc_emmc_flash.sh to see the rest of how this seems to be done. Last I remember you could keep running it off of the SD card after this process but I haven't checked in a while. It would actually be fairly easy to remove part of this script so it just keeps running off of the SD card and doesn't flash the emmc in case you didn't want to touch the internal memory.

Hmm. When I tried it it didn't appear to do anything. Maybe my board was more than just a software brick.
1793  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: April 20, 2015, 03:03:22 AM
On C1's and S4's using SD cards it does not bother me as much.  But with S5 i think a guarantee is worth something.
S5 can also run off an external SD card in addition it can use that SD card to re-flash the internal memory.

AFAIK there is no working solution to running S5 off SD card. There are instructions for recovery via SD but its not a full restore and will only work in some cases.
1794  Other / Archival / Re: quickseller on: April 20, 2015, 12:20:56 AM
Font size 3 text (sigh) quoted for those that want to read it

I hope I didn't ruin it for you, doubt I did tho. The demographic you cater to only posts & scams, doubt those kids actually bother reading the forum - no money in it.
1795  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain Antminer S5 Setup [HD] on: April 19, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
Could I use two PSU to feed one S5?

I have one thermaltake of 750W and a Corsair of 750W both bronce certified.

My understanding is that this would be fine so long as you use one psu per card.

That's correct, as long as each PSU is appropriately powerful enough to power one blade, you can use a pair of PSUs to power a blade each.

Hello, How much amps do each blade needs?

I have a CX750 (750w, single rail 62A @ +12V)Corsair PSU. It has two PCIe connector.
I wonder if I could run a S5 with this PSU.
tia

Yes you can, about 300W per blade.

Hello Mr Dogie, where can I check the relation btw frec and amp/w consumed?

I know I can change the frecuency of each blade but I am trying to use a 750W PSU to feed both blades.

I wonder what's the optimal configuration to be used with that PSU

tia

I can't seem to find it there is a nice chart with S4, S5, and C1 frequency and watts used.

But no matter what 750 watts is more then any frequency you will be using on a S5.

the problem is that my 750w PSU has 3 PCIe 12v @ 20 a.

I can only connect two PCIe to the S5. I am looking for the optimal S5 UC

Its not far off linear, you can stick with that. You can assume 600W @ the wall @ stock frequency and work from there.
1796  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [27th Feb] on: April 19, 2015, 04:04:33 PM
Bitmain dropped 10 points when I became involved with them.
Canaan Creative dropped 3 points when I became involved with them.
Spondoolies' rating has risen over the same period, even during the problems of under performing SP30 preorders.

Please don't bring the minuscule dropping of points into discussion because I already showed the real reasoning for this small drop(this was just a small step out of many steps for getting Bitmain to the top). If you want I can always refresh your memory.

Uses own chips?
Delivered miners?
Uses preorders?
On time?
Quality Issues?
Refund Issues?
Communication
Ethics
Size

Which of these rating categories do you disagree with, on what company? What evidence can you provide to substantiate a rating change?

For start Ethics and your boss Bitmain. What evidence can you provide to back up this rating? Show me evidence of the size of Bitmain's own mining farm.

Within the ethics category, all companies start at 10/10 and receive penalties removing points, hence they've lost 2 points for having a farm. It appears you're suggesting that they've been given points for having a farm? Not sure why you want to know the size of their farm or why its relevant, but antpool.com. A large chunk of that is self mine / contracted mining.

Which penalty do you think should be applied / not be applied? What evidence can you provide to substantiate a rating change?


However, Spondoolies-Tech, you are better served not posting such things. There is no evidence either way that your statements are valid, but they certainly generate responses such as the above, and many companies fire their employees for such public commentary. It brings what may ultimately be unfounded attention, and fosters mistrust as Abracadabra noted.

The fact that dogie didn't deny it makes it good enough evidence Smiley
I can't confirm or deny a withdrawn, unevidenced allegation. Guy will repost in the future if it becomes appropriate.


Am currently with Bitmain (weak terms, only designed to punish maliciousness/selling secrets etc)

So legally you can't use the information that you know to lower some of their ratings? Is this what you are saying?
That's not how an NDA works.

1) An NDA only protects against confidential information
2) Confidential information provided from a non discloser (in this case Guy), removes the confidentiality of that information. Unless Guy was covered by an NDA with Bitmain also.
3) I don't need to release the information in order to use it here, its just not useful for others. Like the feedback on Guy's original comment has drawn.
4) Any confidentiality agreements / ethics / promises in this case are on Guy's side, not my side.
5) My NDA with Bitmain allows for disclosures of confidential information, non maliciously. That means I am free to do 99.9% of what the community requires. The NDA is primarily there to stop the selling of trade secrets / information not known to the market.
6) The information wasn't particularly useful or applicable to the guide anyway.


Speaking more generally, I can understand some people's feelings but there isn't anything there. Some people take it too far and because they fell they'd be influenced, then they feel that I MUST be influenced. They project their own inability to remain neutral, aggressively, onto me and that's not right. I truly do not care what company is 1st, 2nd, 300th, what company goes out of business, what company makes $3 trillion. Companies will come and go, companies will do well and do badly and that's okay. What I do care about is that people don't get trampled on in the interim, and so I consider myself to work for the community primarily. Because of that, it doesn't matter who I am affiliated with because they still have to play with the same criteria everyone else does. I'm probably more critical on companies I do work with, if you want to refer to that as being biased.

They don't need to feel that you are influenced. When you apply a rating to punish one direct competitor of Bitmain 3 months later than you should right when Bitmain needed it the most it is more then obvious about your intentions.
I think you need to reread what you wrote. You're saying that I purposely delayed a reduction in "a direct competitor of Bitmain". Huh
1797  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
To prevent this sort of thing happening in future why doesn't theymos cede control of the forum to someone he trusts who lives in Russia or Belize or wherever, and who is willing to ignore such subpoenas?

Because the last entity you want to piss off is the US Government. If you stick your fingers up at them they'll find a way to insert them into you. While we all agree that bitcointalk.org shouldn't have been subject to such sweeping requests for information, there is little reason to start a war over it.
1798  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 01:29:45 AM

Its hard to when only 1/60 posts is actually about the case, which is CK's point. While there may be some useful content in that old thread, there's so much noise that its untenable to actually find that information in the thread.
Dogie of course you have to say that. Is not as though you contributed anything to the thread. Complaining is easier.

Why do I have to say that? Of course I didn't contribute to that thread, it was unusable and a mess. Not a lot of point investing time into thoughtful discussion there when its going to get buried by PG/GG within 20 seconds.
1799  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive RockMiner R-Box Setup [HD] on: April 19, 2015, 12:39:14 AM
I have run into a bit of a problem this morning...
My windows update popped up an update for my silicon labs CP210x USB to UART bridge which I let it install without thinking about it.
This obviously replaced the drivers but when I run Zadig and replace them again, cgminer does not see the miners.

Any suggestions?

Manually uninstall any installed drivers via device manager, unplug, restart, replug (different USB port if you can), start again.
1800  Other / Meta / Re: BFL subpoena on: April 19, 2015, 12:38:06 AM

Its hard to when only 1/60 posts is actually about the case, which is CK's point. While there may be some useful content in that old thread, there's so much noise that its untenable to actually find that information in the thread.
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