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November 16, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
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@orama,knc or any other person able to get me two artic I30 on monday, anyplace between trondheim and stocholm...
I am driving monday to colect my uppgrade modules, but now my local suplier of that fan is unable to ship before 23.10 and shipping takes time here in norway...

I have two other coolermaster cpu chillers hyper 212 evo, but now understand only the I30 models will be able to be mounted.
Noob on both bitcoins, and hardware instalations.
If anybody could help me get fans on my way to or back from stocholm on monday, will be highly apreciated!

Than you all for a supportive comunity .)

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November 16, 2013, 08:53:15 PM
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Cool... I "found" the 52 second block on eligius yesterday!
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November 16, 2013, 09:14:33 PM
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Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?
Considering you have bought a number of miners and upgrade boards from them - free!

Well I share your views that KNC can afford to give me a free case, when I have spent over $27000 with them, but if they don't at least I hope they let me pay for it.
Recently I asked for some free longer cables and got a negative response (albeit unofficial), but maybe it will be different if I ask in person.

Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?



On that topic, will the boards be mounted to aluminum plates?  I know that we get the bar and screws to mount the fans.  I'm just not sure what to lay under them.

I've laid motherboards on cardboard boxes before...I guess that'll work...lol

Boards are mounted on spacer attached to the bottom of the case or any other material.
I was thinking to lay them flat on anti-static bags, but I think the ASIC chip will need some ventilation underneath, so it might be be such a good idea.
If I can't get a case out of KNC (free or paid) I will most probably build one myself or get a computer case and install the boards on standoffs/spacers.
Guys...
I dont think cardboard, or a plastic bag underneath will work.
The case is part of the structure the bar uses to clamp the heatsink & fan into place.
Without it, all the clamping force would be transferred to the board, and you could literally break it in half tightening the bar to it without the proper base, and spacers.
Also, the boards themselves also get toasty, and cardboard & plastic would be dangerous imho...

**edit...  The case actually acts as a partial heatsink as well. If you were to feel underneath your machine, you will notice the bottom is warm, and the screwheads which hold the board into place(not the heatsink) are actually warmest, meaning the heat is transferred from there as well...    just sayin'      Wink


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November 16, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
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Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?
Considering you have bought a number of miners and upgrade boards from them - free!

Well I share your views that KNC can afford to give me a free case, when I have spent over $27000 with them, but if they don't at least I hope they let me pay for it.
Recently I asked for some free longer cables and got a negative response (albeit unofficial), but maybe it will be different if I ask in person.

Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?



On that topic, will the boards be mounted to aluminum plates?  I know that we get the bar and screws to mount the fans.  I'm just not sure what to lay under them.

I've laid motherboards on cardboard boxes before...I guess that'll work...lol

Boards are mounted on spacer attached to the bottom of the case or any other material.
I was thinking to lay them flat on anti-static bags, but I think the ASIC chip will need some ventilation underneath, so it might be be such a good idea.
If I can't get a case out of KNC (free or paid) I will most probably build one myself or get a computer case and install the boards on standoffs/spacers.
Guys...
I dont think cardboard, or a plastic bag underneath will work.
The case is part of the structure the bar uses to clamp the heatsink & fan into place.
Without it, all the clamping force would be transferred to the board, and you could literally break it in half tightening the bar to it without the proper base, and spacers.
Also, the boards themselves also get toasty, and cardboard & plastic would be dangerous imho...

**edit...  The case actually acts as a partial heatsink as well. If you were to feel underneath your machine, you will notice the bottom is warm, and the screwheads which hold the board into place are actually warmest, meaning the heat is transferred from there as well...    just sayin'      Wink

I will probably install it on spacers screwed onto a piece of wood if I can't get a case from KNC and until I get a computer case.

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November 16, 2013, 09:42:12 PM
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What do people do?

Ok, everything else put aside...this is my first venture into bitcoin mining. I'd like to mine for as long as I can. What does everyone else do out there when their hashing power just isn't enough? I'm sure at one point everyone has to make a decision to buy/invest more or opt out. The thing that I see is the time from purchasing to making that decision is MUCH shorter then it use to be. I'm sure there are GPU miners here going for over a year here. I doubt I'll ever get to mine my Saturn for a year and have a return. What does normally everyone do? Discard their old mining hardware and dump another few thousand into new gear? Just keep adding to what they have already? Because if you look on the horizon you are going to need at least 1Th/s rig to be in the ball game here. And those rigs are priced about $5000 or more right now. Someone that bought a Saturn is never going to break even then be able to make $5k, so what does that miner do? Back out? Dump more money? I'm kind of curious as to what long term miners have done.

I posted this in this forum because it will apply to all our first gen Saturn and Jupiter owners. While some of you are adding hash power to what you already had there are a lot of us being first time mining buyers here. There is no big pay day at the end....and if we are only buying to break end 2-3 months down the road and then no return it kind of throws up red flags to stop and think hard about the next decision on where our money goes. Maybe we can talk about this, rather then no news KNC.

my only thought on this are people really gonna stop mining with their old 1st gen ASIC units ...like the 60gh Avalon or eventually our KNC stuff or are they gonna go "heh" and just mine some other sha256 ASIC COIN instead and hope that if enough do so they will push it out of the nest and make at least elec costs plus?

(heh ASICcoin named their sha256 altcoin with that in mind)

I know gpu guys are still poping out LITECOIN..

anway if you invite enough people to the party will it float the boat $$$ wise to keep this stuff afloat?

just saying no idea myself

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November 16, 2013, 09:45:22 PM
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Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?




actually you could just go down to a local metal shop and they would bend and aluminum case for your dimensions imho for the
price it would take to get a unit from Sweden

not a big deal they make boxes out of aluminum for all sorts of uses..anyway would not be hard to do where I live they'd even tap out the screw holes

also you would not have to do aluminum you could do a pexiglass arrangement like the MARS prototype unit has that in fact would probably be easier to find someone to do

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November 16, 2013, 09:48:21 PM
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Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?




actually you could just go down to a local metal shop and they would bend and aluminum case for your dimensions imho for the
price it would take to get a unit from Sweden

not a big deal they make boxes out of aluminum for all sorts of uses..anyway would not be hard to do where I live they'd even tap out the screw holes

also you would not have to do aluminum you could do a pexiglass arrangement like the MARS prototype unit has that in fact would probably be easier to find someone to do

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November 16, 2013, 09:59:08 PM
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@orama,knc or any other person able to get me two artic I30 on monday, anyplace between trondheim and stocholm...
I am driving monday to colect my uppgrade modules, but now my local suplier of that fan is unable to ship before 23.10 and shipping takes time here in norway...

I have two other coolermaster cpu chillers hyper 212 evo, but now understand only the I30 models will be able to be mounted.
Noob on both bitcoins, and hardware instalations.
If anybody could help me get fans on my way to or back from stocholm on monday, will be highly apreciated!

Than you all for a supportive comunity .)

go for the a30 instead
http://i.imgur.com/0NI2wpV.png (thx to kronut)

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November 16, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
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@orama,knc or any other person able to get me two artic I30 on monday, anyplace between trondheim and stocholm...
I am driving monday to colect my uppgrade modules, but now my local suplier of that fan is unable to ship before 23.10 and shipping takes time here in norway...

I have two other coolermaster cpu chillers hyper 212 evo, but now understand only the I30 models will be able to be mounted.
Noob on both bitcoins, and hardware instalations.
If anybody could help me get fans on my way to or back from stocholm on monday, will be highly apreciated!

Than you all for a supportive comunity .)

go for the a30 instead
http://i.imgur.com/0NI2wpV.png (thx to kronut)

You can use either, i'll see if Sam'll part with any, but either the a30, or the i30 should be fine mate.

We have both here, I just checked. I know i'm still in the office at 11pm on a Saturday, lame.

The only difference is the location of the holes, they changed halfway through due to the fact they ordered they world's available supply of one or the other of those at one point. Anyway you be sent multi-hole blanks, there wont be the protruding metal pieces to secure the plate in place, the screws are more than enough. They were purely there so the heatsinks stayed in place during shipping (yes i'm well aware the fans themselves didn't). Anyway unless you're planning on taking your miners off-road on safari you should be golden. Wink


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November 16, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
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keeping you updated = we change whatever the hell we want. lol

only in the bitcoin community with such a lack of competition can they get away with whatever they want. sigh.
I realize emotions run high...   Myself included. I just think it's unfair to vent so hard on the guy that keeps us informed the most.
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I didn't like the news either btw....

im just angry i bought an "upgradable" miner, and now thats untrue. they have changed designs and im fucked.

I suspect that there could be a VRM board and a Firmware change and / or a controller board change on the old units etc...

Assuming they felt so compelled...

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November 16, 2013, 10:26:19 PM
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You know, if people would buy a BTC or 2 when they place these orders, by the time their orders arrive they could sell the BTC and make a profit (based on the past few months' performance). Then you've made some money back during the wait, and "all would be well".

I mean, I understand the frustration, but the mining game isn't necessarily one for folks to be in if they're going to bite their nails over a day or 2 delay. Not saying it doesn't suck.. but c'mon. This isn't BFL where you're waiting quarters and half centuries, this is a few days delay.

Ya'll should be happy, I couldn't even buy a module for my mercury.

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Good point!

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]Well, I totally understand.  I also was hoping to "snap up" a few more boards...   as were alot of folks...   but I also understand that we are now into November delivery territory, and they are needing to put October behind them...
I feel pretty lucky to have been able to get a couple Nov's squeezed in.
The demand for KNC products is VERY high now.

I agree..  you getting the new Nov design soon is nice, either way we are all winning.  

I 'needed' the extra two modules so when the next diffs hit I will still be over the 1 BTC a day club...  very psychological for me  Smiley  I should be safe until mid Dec

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@KNC or @Bitcoinorama: Does this delay also apply to the upgrade modules? Will the shipping of the upgrade modules begin with, before or after shipping of regular november orders?

Guy's I'll be honest and say. If you have a November batch and want to take full advantage, I'd be sourcing 1200w PSUs.

I'd still avoid the Cosair HX Series. You'd prob be fine with a solid 1000w+.

We've been testing on the V850s still, but as I alluded to before they've been pushing these around and over 1000w and the PSUs are solid and have been taking the abuse, but if I were you with future firmware revisions and from what I've seen: 1200w Gold rated PSUs for November batch orders FTW please! Wink

Hey, could you please elaborate on your reasoning, and also evaluate this power supply? Is your recommendation based on cost savings? Or is it necessary due to technical limitations?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003J89V0A/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I originally planned on using this, because I have it around. However, after reading some comments here, I'm thinking of purchasing a new kill-a-watt (old one broke) and a gold rated power supply per recommendations.

Firstly to finish addressing the original post. There is no delay on the upgrades they are shipping Monday. Everybody at the same time. That's been deemed the fairest option for all, except Marcus who had suddenly discovered the oversell and freaked out as he had to ensure enough components were available.

The PSU is due to the fact the November batch will be somewhat more hungry. We've improved the PCB layout, and changed a few components, and are pushing the chip harder.

October shipment was always about speed to market. As the units were finalised the day after delivery and the fact KnC had to play devils advocate and assume someone else, may have a greater effect on the hashrate sooner as other products were apparently planned for delivery, it was deemed more crucial that the first shipment was in the hands of customers sooner, rather than later.

That said certain team members have been allocated to improving the design based upon issues that arose and feedback received, also some of the margins could be removed as confidence with the chip has increased.

These machines also run a little hotter, so bare that in mind. Nothing for you to worry about w.r.t. to product cooling, those heatsinks are finally being warmed up a little, and if you live in a cooler climate this winter, say in Scandinavia Wink, i'm sure you'll be grateful, but it's something to consider, these chips are being pushed, so expect heat as a by product and perhaps a little more noise as auxiliary components have to work a little more.

That said we are still using Coolermaster V850s and none have yet died, and they have been pushed past 1000w, they do tend to wake up and provide a more vocal ambient fan noise, but I wouldn't bet on them being a long term solution, so something beefier would be advise. Stick to 80+ Gold. Can't say 1000w is sufficient as i've seen machines goto 1050w, and i cannot predict what else the software engineers have in mind for the hardware. As such I cannot officially say anything other than you need a PSU greater than 1000W, which takes you into 1200W territory. Go for what you know, but again cannot recommend the Corsair HX series, and unfortunately there is no time to check every PSU on the market, unless you don't mind waiting a few more months, which I doubt, as minutes appears to be beyond the realms of reasonable delay here...

I'd be inclined to go with;

http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/powersupply/silent-pro-gold/silent-pro-gold-1200w.html

KnC I believe will be using 2 x v850s for the hosting guys, for sure because the boards are modular you have that option of powering the machine with 2 PSUs.

Hope that helps.

Thanks. Gave me some food for thought. Looks like I will go get a new power supply. Perhaps KNC should change their PS recommendations? Also, I thought the power usage was going to be 1W per GH/s. I haven't been keeping up with the news.
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Thanks. Gave me some food for thought. Looks like I will go get a new power supply. Perhaps KNC should change their PS recommendations? Also, I thought the power usage was going to be 1W per GH/s. I haven't been keeping up with the news.

The current miners can hash at 1W/Gh/s, less even dependant on the firmware, but the tuning suite will allow you to decide that far more specifically.  Each die appears to have an operational sweet spot.

Physical changes in the November unit's boards make them tolerant to far more abuse and they have this turbo feature that basically eats current and shits coins. They'll also be able to hash at something more economical of you so wish, to make them more future proof.

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November 16, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
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Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?



Bring 50Eur cash and drop on the counter. Should get near wholesale, since it's a hassle free transfer?

Or....  ask for a scratch and dent -- for free,  or 25.
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November 16, 2013, 10:43:10 PM
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Thanks. Gave me some food for thought. Looks like I will go get a new power supply. Perhaps KNC should change their PS recommendations? Also, I thought the power usage was going to be 1W per GH/s. I haven't been keeping up with the news.

The current miners can hash at 1W/Gh/s, less even dependant on the firmware, but the tuning suite will allow you to decide that far more specifically.  Each die appears to have an operational sweet spot.

I'm yet to see 1W/Gh/s at the wall, which btw is dependant on PSU used, so technically it is a wrong claim to make Wink


Place your bets if KNC would agree to sell me an empty aluminium case so I can provide a good home for my Upgrade modules.
What do you think is a fair price?



Bring 50Eur cash and drop on the counter. Should get near wholesale, since it's a hassle free transfer?

Or....  ask for a scratch and dent -- for free,  or 25.

50 eur is too much, but 25 eur will pay Smiley

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November 16, 2013, 10:47:36 PM
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you can do it yourself - but not for 50€ I guess
http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/alum2.phtml?page=sheet

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Thanks. Gave me some food for thought. Looks like I will go get a new power supply. Perhaps KNC should change their PS recommendations? Also, I thought the power usage was going to be 1W per GH/s. I haven't been keeping up with the news.

The current miners can hash at 1W/Gh/s, less even dependant on the firmware, but the tuning suite will allow you to decide that far more specifically.  Each die appears to have an operational sweet spot.

Physical changes in the November unit's boards make them tolerant to far more abuse and they have this turbo feature that basically eats current and shits coins. They'll also be able to hash at something more economical of you so wish, to make them more future proof.
Do you know if Hosted Octobers will be getting any of this "tuning"?
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November 16, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
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Thanks. Gave me some food for thought. Looks like I will go get a new power supply. Perhaps KNC should change their PS recommendations? Also, I thought the power usage was going to be 1W per GH/s. I haven't been keeping up with the news.

The current miners can hash at 1W/Gh/s, less even dependant on the firmware, but the tuning suite will allow you to decide that far more specifically.  Each die appears to have an operational sweet spot.

Physical changes in the November unit's boards make them tolerant to far more abuse and they have this turbo feature that basically eats current and shits coins. They'll also be able to hash at something more economical of you so wish, to make them more future proof.
Do you know if Hosted Octobers will be getting any of this "tuning"?

No idea. All the hosting guys should be hashing healthily currently.

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November 16, 2013, 10:58:11 PM
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umm yes there is a delay, you said they would ship this week, then changed that to monday.... thats a delay.

Sam specifically said this week, " The Boards will ship out this week directly from our offices in Stockholm". Come on KNC, you are getting shabbier and shabbier looking like a place run by a bunch of kids.



Could misinformation trigger action by a competitor that might make their gear faulty?



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