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November 13, 2013, 04:24:43 AM
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Did any of the 200 ship out the door today?
What?
It's still 5am in Sweden Bud.....  lol

Some should've gone out the moment orders switched to paid today.  8am EST was around 1pm for them, right?
no, 2pm CET, and UPS picks up at 130
Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Hope so.  Somebody called the office earlier this morning and the guy said they might not ship till next week.  That would suck.

Hahaha, no way...  



We are talking about under 200 tiny boxes...


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Yeah seriously! If you look at the quote I'm (civilly) responding too, he's basically saying that if KNC doesn't offer a shipping refund then it will damage their reputation. He's not asking if there was a mistake and many other people are acting like they were cheated by the shipping price that they agreed to pay. The shipping fee often includes "handling" and considering they are going to "double the team involved in packing" to get these to everybody ASAP it's not THAT bad. I doubt people would rather pay only $30 in shipping that takes a few days longer to arrive and costs them ~$80 in lost mining per module...

true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them


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November 13, 2013, 04:27:38 AM
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Also, can a Jupiter handle only 1 extra module or 2?  I have yet to see 6 working all at once.  Someone here proved 5.

I might have 3 to sell if only 1 extra can work.

I hope you can get any of them working because you can't "officially" upgrade a Jupiter at all. The only report I've seen of 5-6 running were on a board that already had 6 factory pin headers which are extremely rare from what I can tell. I didn't want to take the chance since I mine only has 4 pin headers and was worried about their statement that the controller does not support more than 4 modules since it's likely the boards with only 4 pin headers are not the same as the ones with 6. Good luck, I hope your gamble pays off!
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November 13, 2013, 04:27:50 AM
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Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Atleast the ones they have on hand should be moving out...  they did slip and say they have to make a production run to cover the extras that the webpage staying up too long allowed..  

and not too many caught on to that fact and demand EVERYONE get upgrades since they are making more...  shhh I know but I like smacking bees nests from time to time

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November 13, 2013, 04:29:22 AM
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Relax, I'll bet they all go out today...within the next 10 hrs

Atleast the ones they have on hand should be moving out...  they did slip and say they have to make a production run to cover the extras that the webpage staying up too long allowed..  

and not too many caught on to that fact and demand EVERYONE get upgrades since they are making more...  shhh I know but I like smacking bees nests from time to time

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No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?


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November 13, 2013, 04:37:44 AM
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true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them

No I don't think it's unbecoming. I personally don't think their intent was to trick people into paying more but that they where rushed in their planning and took the simple route of estimating the total labor + packaging + UPS shipping fee and divided by 200 to make it easy. They wouldn't be able to accurately predict if they would have 200 or 50 separate orders and even if they did it would take some extra work to tweak the shopping cart to reduce shipping cost on multiple modules. Even Amazon often does not discount non-Prime shipping when they ship multiple items in the same box...
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November 13, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
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lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?
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November 13, 2013, 04:40:02 AM
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The 24/7 model has grey-colored fan blades, where the other one has white.

I believe the coolers that came in my Saturn have the white-style fans.

Oh no, color clash!  What will I do?   Cry

Lol.

Oh no, the ones used by knc are not designed for 24/7 use!

What will we do?  Apart from have significant facts obscured by retards shills fools god knows who, for god knows what reasons?

Could this explain the never-ending fluctuations on these rigs that defy logic regarding cooling(or heating)



Not lol, at all!

It makes it a little risky to reply when you set up that likely one of those "bad" types is going to respond.

I'm going to take a shot at it though. I work in a closely related branch of Math -- NP style problems. We sometimes see this behavior in the activity of a "solver" (algorithm) which is tackling a large problem -- i.e. trillions of operations to do an approximation...

If I were going to guess -- without doing much analysis -- the answer would be fairly simple...

Every attempt to "solve" the problem which is centered about a given difficulty has roughly equal probability.
However there is a certain amount of variation in the problems we are sent to solve.

If you watch CGminer you will see that most of the problems center around a given difficulty... Say you set Bitminter to use a minimum difficulty of 256 -- what do you see? Try 512 then 1024 -- what do you see as you watch the solution line roll by? (I actually did this testing because I too was curious.)

At difficulty 256, all of the problem will be centered around some value of say 500 -- just because... (it could be 450 or 750 or whatever -- I have not done more than a casual observation that it appears to be so.)

Then if the pool assigns a difficult of 128 say -- then you will see most difficulties come in close to say 384.

Assume difficulty 512:  In all cases there is variance up and down from the new average -- which must be greater than 512 but is almost certainly less than 1024 -- since most of the "problems" are less than 1024 in difficulty.... sometimes it's like a random walk where for a while the difficulties tend to cluster around 1000 say -- but then the average drifts back down -- often slowly -- sometimes quickly.

What you see is a drifting up and down of the hash rate -- but -- it has more to do with the pool sending you a variance in the difficulty.

I suspect the chips are behaving in a way that the hash rate is constant -- but the presented problem difficulty is varying in the way I described... so you get a varying throughput based on the difficulty.

One of the specialists that hang out in this group and works or dabbles in probability theory could explain this better -- but might insist on using the dreaded squiggles that you see in this type of math.

To summarize -- the difficulty presented to your miner will be varying about a central value in a somewhat random fashion. The variance may present itself in such a way as to mimic a pattern that you believe is meaningful -- and it could well be. Proving it might be tough -- the meaningful bit I mean.

As for the random walk part -- go back to the old standby of flipping coins... Heads == +1 tails == -1 ...

Once you drift above or below the zero line you can stay positive for quite a while sometimes (or negative).

Combine the random walks, and the natural variation and what you are looking at could be described quite easily in some mathematical notations.

CGMiner: The 5 Second response wanders up and down slowly. The long term response on CGMiner stays rock steady after a day or two with only long term drift... The fast response display just above the scrolling part varies fairly rapidly.

It seems to me to be related to the difficulty being presented -- not to a varying response of the Miner Chips.


That's is pretty much my best effort in plain English...

If you are having trouble seeing this -- try the tests I mentioned above of setting new minimum difficulties in your worker setup if you are on Bitminter. You may lose a few shares while you play -- but it should not be significant.


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November 13, 2013, 04:42:16 AM
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No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?





They haven't

They opened orders, at 2pm the site was flooded.

Within 5 minutes the orders were fulfilled.

They tried to close orders, net couldn't handle the load and Andreas was locked out.

At 7 min he managed to pull the trigger, as a consequence quite a few more than 200 have to be fulfilled, so some more boards will be made for those.

Bitpay crashed from load, error #404.

Newegg sell out of stock of Arctic i30s within minutes.

Blockchain is still processing some orders, well at least it was about an hour ago, as Bitpay doesn't pay transaction fees.


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November 13, 2013, 04:46:53 AM
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lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?

Maybe you should call KNC in the morning and get some of these questions answered.

I know people here would appreciate some answers -- sooo.... can you do it?

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November 13, 2013, 04:52:23 AM
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true some are a bit flustered by it all..  but if KNC does just ship multiple in one box and it is obvious they cashed the fees that is a bit unbecoming don't you think?  Extra people just means they pay more people but less time paying them

No I don't think it's unbecoming. I personally don't think their intent was to trick people into paying more but that they where rushed in their planning and took the simple route of estimating the total labor + packaging + UPS shipping fee and divided by 200 to make it easy. They wouldn't be able to accurately predict if they would have 200 or 50 separate orders and even if they did it would take some extra work to tweak the shopping cart to reduce shipping cost on multiple modules. Even Amazon often does not discount non-Prime shipping when they ship multiple items in the same box...


they did say you can order up to three per order which does imply more expectence than you state.  If they imagine some order 3 per order you would think you would get a rate of one box shipped..

like i said, I am not fighting it but just acknowledge that it may be a lazy mistake on the webstore worth inquiring about

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November 13, 2013, 04:52:33 AM
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No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?





They haven't

They opened orders, at 2pm the site was flooded.

Within 5 minutes the orders were fulfilled.

They tried to close orders, net couldn't handle the load and Andreas was locked out.

At 7 min he managed to pull the trigger, as a consequence quite a few more than 200 have to be fulfilled, so some more boards will be made for those.

Bitpay crashed from load, error #404.

Newegg sell out of stock of Arctic i30s within minutes.

Blockchain is still processing some orders, well at least it was about an hour ago, as Bitpay doesn't pay transaction fees.

Thank-you...interesting... I wonder if that info is correct... even the news says sold in 3 mins.... his says seven....
But yeah, if so... production time & a small step backwards for a day...
but somehow I still doubt that is correct... guess we shall see...
I'd bet they could run manufacture them in the AM, and still make it out the door same day....


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November 13, 2013, 05:07:43 AM
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No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?


They haven't
They opened orders, at 2pm the site was flooded.
Within 5 minutes the orders were fulfilled.
They tried to close orders, net couldn't handle the load and Andreas was locked out.
At 7 min he managed to pull the trigger, as a consequence quite a few more than 200 have to be fulfilled, so some more boards will be made for those.
Bitpay crashed from load, error #404.
Newegg sell out of stock of Arctic i30s within minutes.
Blockchain is still processing some orders, well at least it was about an hour ago, as Bitpay doesn't pay transaction fees.

Thank-you...interesting... I wonder if that info is correct... even the news says sold in 3 mins.... his says seven....
But yeah, if so... production time & a small step backwards for a day...
but somehow I still doubt that is correct... guess we shall see...
I'd bet they could run manufacture them in the AM, and still make it out the door same day....

In another lifetime -- a few centuries ago -- I was working in computer manufacturing... and yeah there are times when it's simpler to make another run -- even if the product is now "out of date"... I mean -- like it's a month old -- that's a decade in the auto industry yah know.

I have never seen anything in this thread that would make me doubt Bitcoinarama's words -- regardless of all the moaning and complaining seen here.

As for your last point... Hmmm? maybe. I would have to see that. Probably take more than a day to scratch out the paperwork -- but nice if they did it.

But, if they can do it they should offer all the Saturn and Mercury owners another kick at the cat -- and then just build whatever is wanted.

It's a nice thought anyway.


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November 13, 2013, 05:13:42 AM
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lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?

Maybe you should call KNC in the morning and get some of these questions answered.

I know people here would appreciate some answers -- sooo.... can you do it?

I could, but seeing as most calls get 'not' ignored and im not made of money, i have sent a number of emails which have been 'not' ignored but instead answered by an automated response which promises to be followed up by an appropriate response within 1-2 working/business days....

except they are not followed up, and are in fact left 'not' ignored and then brushed over by the one man who actually answers for the entire knc team as 'trolling' doesnt get acknowledged/answered.

Therefore, if you have been 'not' ignored then you must be trolling aka undeserving of a response. Despite how many people are seeking the same information.

@davewr - I appreciate your input, i am aware of variance and its effects but 50Gh less than 3 weeks ago is hardly what i would place in the realm of variance.

Again, i appreciate your time and your not 'not asking' for 'donations-for-support' like some kind of cunt kind but not nice guyswould might.
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November 13, 2013, 05:28:29 AM
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Also, can a Jupiter handle only 1 extra module or 2?  I have yet to see 6 working all at once.  Someone here proved 5.

I might have 3 to sell if only 1 extra can work.

I hope you can get any of them working because you can't "officially" upgrade a Jupiter at all. The only report I've seen of 5-6 running were on a board that already had 6 factory pin headers which are extremely rare from what I can tell. I didn't want to take the chance since I mine only has 4 pin headers and was worried about their statement that the controller does not support more than 4 modules since it's likely the boards with only 4 pin headers are not the same as the ones with 6. Good luck, I hope your gamble pays off!

Yeah I didn't go in 100% blind.  I've had these Day 2 Jupiter's with the cases off since the beginning.  6 pin slots are indeed all there.

Have you seen screenshots with all 6 running?
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No production, they saved others for RMA....  which is more than enough to cover...

Where did you hear that?





They haven't

They opened orders, at 2pm the site was flooded.

Within 5 minutes the orders were fulfilled.

They tried to close orders, net couldn't handle the load and Andreas was locked out.

At 7 min he managed to pull the trigger, as a consequence quite a few more than 200 have to be fulfilled, so some more boards will be made for those.

Bitpay crashed from load, error #404.

Newegg sell out of stock of Arctic i30s within minutes.

Blockchain is still processing some orders, well at least it was about an hour ago, as Bitpay doesn't pay transaction fees.

Thank-you...interesting... I wonder if that info is correct... even the news says sold in 3 mins.... his says seven....
But yeah, if so... production time & a small step backwards for a day...
but somehow I still doubt that is correct... guess we shall see...
I'd bet they could run manufacture them in the AM, and still make it out the door same day....

I'd be curious to know how many they have to fulfill.  Is it 300?, 400?

EDIT:  What is the difference between I30's and A30's?  I grabbed 5 A30's since Newegg wouldn't let me purchase more than 5.  And 1 from tigerdirect.
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November 13, 2013, 05:38:14 AM
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lol the time to crop vs whiteout tabs of porn or whatever he had

more lol at your pathetic but effective diversionary tactics.

are you aiming for a knc 'position' as well?

Maybe you should call KNC in the morning and get some of these questions answered.

I know people here would appreciate some answers -- sooo.... can you do it?

I could, but seeing as most calls get 'not' ignored and im not made of money, i have sent a number of emails which have been 'not' ignored but instead answered by an automated response which promises to be followed up by an appropriate response within 1-2 working/business days....

except they are not followed up, and are in fact left 'not' ignored and then brushed over by the one man who actually answers for the entire knc team as 'trolling' doesnt get acknowledged/answered.

Therefore, if you have been 'not' ignored then you must be trolling aka undeserving of a response. Despite how many people are seeking the same information.

@davewr - I appreciate your input, i am aware of variance and its effects but 50Gh less than 3 weeks ago is hardly what i would place in the realm of variance.

Again, i appreciate your time and your not 'not asking' for 'donations-for-support' like some kind of cunt kind but not nice guyswould might.


Well -- I would be interested in your answer to the behaviour you are seeing in your miner -- lay it out and I will be happy to critique your response. It's a lot easier to be a critic than to make any deeper effort you know...

It's too bad you are not willing to pick up the phone and call them -- you seem like a pretty sharp guy -- I bet you're tough to fool -- so you would be the obvious choice -- would you not?

Interesting point on donations -- is it that you don't like to pay or you don't get value for money? What's the issue?

On a final note for the substantive issues, the more I think about your last sentence the more I really don't fully understand your last sentence. Are people cheating you?


On another note entirely... It's also possible that if you developed manners and used cleaned up your language then people might take you seriously.

Anyway -- time to pack it in for the night -- so hope you come up with some answers -- I'm definitely intrigued by your situation.

Let us know how the phone call goes. I'm convinced that you will stage a breakthrough.

Till then....

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November 13, 2013, 05:46:47 AM
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I apologize ahead of time...but I just fail to see the point about shipping...
You knew the price before you bought, you made the choice to pay it, period.
It's not like 50 or 100 dollars per board will make or break you... is it?
I'd be happy to take that purchase off your hands if you feel it's "Unfair"...lol
Where else could you get 140+gh/s for a grand, in less than a week? NOWHERE!
They are a TOTAL BARGAIN IMHO

You could even probably get triple for it on E-bay...

P.S.  ... Don't sweat the "Small Stuff"


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November 13, 2013, 05:54:15 AM
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let us know when repeating oneself became necessary to get even the most basic concerns recognized.

Next i'll be required to provide my order number...

I will NOT be calling europe as i stated categorically.

we call - we get told to email

we email - we get told to wait

we wait - we get left waiting

Is the only recourse to pull out potentially non-faulty boards that may only need a decent firmware and fly to sweden for the level of service afforded most 'businesses' ?

manners come with respect, respect is earned the hard way not handed out freely to the inconsiderate and dishonest.

@Phoenix - they WERE a bargain, all 3 minutes worth of bargain.

it was a free for all, not the 'appreciation' saturn and mercury owners were 'sort of promised' by someone who may or may not have been a paid employee at the time it was written.

i was unable to benefit from buying boards except as a backup/spare as my jupiter only has 4 connectors, but i was also stuck in a queue of blocked bandwidth and was unable to purchase so it is not really my concern, i do however feel for those that were eagerly waiting for this easily miss-able opportunity.

except asci-k who grates on me, although im sure i grate upon plenty of folk here - please accept my sincere apologies if my tone/language offends any other than the intended recipient.
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November 13, 2013, 05:55:10 AM
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I apologize ahead of time...but I just fail to see the point about shipping...
You knew the price before you bought, you made the choice to pay it, period.
It's not like 50 or 100 dollars per board will make or break you... is it?
I'd be happy to take that purchase off your hands if you feel it's "Unfair"...lol
Where else could you get 140+gh/s for a grand, in less than a week? NOWHERE!
They are a TOTAL BARGAIN IMHO

P.S.  ... Don't sweat the "Small Stuff"
I apologize ahead of time...but I just fail to see the point about shipping...
You knew the price before you bought, you made the choice to pay it, period.
It's not like 50 or 100 dollars per board will make or break you... is it?
I'd be happy to take that purchase off your hands if you feel it's "Unfair"...lol
Where else could you get 140+gh/s for a grand, in less than a week? NOWHERE!
They are a TOTAL BARGAIN IMHO

P.S.  ... Don't sweat the "Small Stuff"

I have to concur -- total cost, heatsinks and shipping included, was < 0.02btc/Ghs/s -- which is pretty fantastic for (hopefully) quick delivery.
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