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February 17, 2014, 10:46:47 PM
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No one will be shipped a Neptune... ever.  We won't be given any option other than 3THs hosted mining for a year (six months, maybe) in some massive aircraft hanger on the frozen tundra.  Mark my words.

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In addition-it looks like major companies are trying to maintain $3000/th price (KnC, cointerra, BFL, blackarrow, etc). It won't work at these BTC prices. Somebody will split first (chinese?).

The highest cost manufacturer will be the first to drop out, followed by the next highest cost and so on up the food chain. At least that's how it works generally in traditional manufacturing, but when btc is involved emotions come into play and toss reason out the window.
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February 17, 2014, 11:03:32 PM
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February 17, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
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And a user might look at his kill-a-watt and find his miners have just ceased to be profitable given the btc value atm.  Some months later the btc value rises enough so he turns his miners back on and he asks himself - What if I had kept mining at a loss and then got here where it's profitable again?
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February 17, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
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No one will be shipped a Neptune... ever.  We won't be given any option other than 3THs hosted mining for a year (six months, maybe) in some massive aircraft hanger on the frozen tundra.  Mark my words.

0.1 BTC bet on that?

No thanks and I hope I'm wrong.

But......

I just have this hunch.  I've never been one to believe in conspiracy theories and the like.  But I am almost completely convinced that not only will we never get to physically touch a Neptune but KNC will never actually produce them.  It just doesn't make economic sense for them to spend millions on a marginally better technology when the market will soon be flooded with very similar and possibly more efficient miners (ASICMiner anyone?).

Hence the belief that KNC are using Neptune preorder funds to build their massive cloudhosting facilities and plan on using the cheap old 28nm tech to reduce costs.  I also believe that KNC never actually were planning to build 20nm miners.  It's just been a long con to them and the ultimate goal has always been to control the largest piece of the hashing pie.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.  I'm a hardware junky and would love to actually get my hands on my Neptune which will be my last piece of mining hardware I will ever purchase other than the couple of Monarch cards that I had converted from 65nm orders.  But also think that it is likely that BFL will do the exact same thing as KNC may be planning, cloudhosting only.
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February 17, 2014, 11:20:52 PM
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Off topic.

I have just been robbed , just about all my Coins in my QT wallet have gone.

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Question how can this Happen if my Wallet is Encrypted , With a very long password.
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February 17, 2014, 11:22:15 PM
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Which wallet you used ?
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February 17, 2014, 11:24:16 PM
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February 17, 2014, 11:37:52 PM
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Comment moved to the thread you set up https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471769.0

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February 18, 2014, 02:00:54 AM
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So, how many of you that did order a neptune had hopes of it going more than 3T? KnCletus said "if we are late we will simply give you a choice of converting to our online hosted hashing of 3TH from our facilities if you wish to" I know I did - was hoping for 5T, but realized it was all a pile of hooey.
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February 18, 2014, 02:12:19 AM
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Off topic.

I have just been robbed , just about all my Coins in my QT wallet have gone.

Status: 312 confirmations
Date: 16/02/2014 03:43
To: 1JJewUpXpBHNDWVqzkKk7kWa7pQzRGfzpG
Debit: -11.24 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0006 BTC
Net amount: -11.2406 BTC
Transaction ID: df776f8492caaee7004594f9e8b399342e24ce7febd8b79621ac7ded958b78ba

Question how can this Happen if my Wallet is Encrypted , With a very long password.

It must have been a keylogger trojan. Look through some recent programs you installed. Is it on Windows or MAC? Whatever it is, they still have access to that PC...
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February 18, 2014, 03:26:11 AM
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So, how many of you that did order a neptune had hopes of it going more than 3T? KnCletus said "if we are late we will simply give you a choice of converting to our online hosted hashing of 3TH from our facilities if you wish to" I know I did - was hoping for 5T, but realized it was all a pile of hooey.

I and at least one other person I know were hoping for something between 3 and 4 TH, 5 would've been even better, getting up to 4 would've been fine.
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February 18, 2014, 03:41:15 AM
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So, how many of you that did order a neptune had hopes of it going more than 3T? KnCletus said "if we are late we will simply give you a choice of converting to our online hosted hashing of 3TH from our facilities if you wish to" I know I did - was hoping for 5T, but realized it was all a pile of hooey.

I and at least one other person I know were hoping for something between 3 and 4 TH, 5 would've been even better, getting up to 4 would've been fine.

more chance of them mounting this on it than getting >3Th


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February 18, 2014, 07:56:54 AM
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February 18, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
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Posted by Kurt in the KnC forum "general questions", post #7 in "Next month (March) is the end of Q1. Will the first Neptune batch be shipping then?"

"Hi Everyone,

It is our highest priority that our customer's are satisfied with the outcome of their Neptune purchases, if our customers are not satisfied, we do not have repeat business. We are currently the most respected and trustworthy ASIC company on the market, we aim to keep our reputation as this is what makes us unique in this business.

As we come closer to the end of the production period, we will start having more frequent updates to share, but for now we are on track and continuing as planned."
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February 18, 2014, 10:00:37 AM
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No one will be shipped a Neptune... ever.  We won't be given any option other than 3THs hosted mining for a year (six months, maybe) in some massive aircraft hanger on the frozen tundra.  Mark my words.

0.1 BTC bet on that?

No thanks and I hope I'm wrong.

But......

I just have this hunch.  I've never been one to believe in conspiracy theories and the like.  But I am almost completely convinced that not only will we never get to physically touch a Neptune but KNC will never actually produce them.  It just doesn't make economic sense for them to spend millions on a marginally better technology when the market will soon be flooded with very similar and possibly more efficient miners (ASICMiner anyone?).

Hence the belief that KNC are using Neptune preorder funds to build their massive cloudhosting facilities and plan on using the cheap old 28nm tech to reduce costs.  I also believe that KNC never actually were planning to build 20nm miners.  It's just been a long con to them and the ultimate goal has always been to control the largest piece of the hashing pie.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.  I'm a hardware junky and would love to actually get my hands on my Neptune which will be my last piece of mining hardware I will ever purchase other than the couple of Monarch cards that I had converted from 65nm orders.  But also think that it is likely that BFL will do the exact same thing as KNC may be planning, cloudhosting only.

You're friggin nuts. Look at the terrible behavior of all the other asic manufacturers, how the hell can you say that KNC is working a long con, by shipping millions and millions of dollars worth of mining machines that made a lot of us a very good return. They have a tremendously successful business, and will continue making machines as long as people are buying them. Mining difficulty increases too fast, making hardware just for your own mining is never going to be as profitable as selling that hardware for as much as it likely will ever make.
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February 18, 2014, 11:34:50 AM
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Off topic.

I have just been robbed , just about all my Coins in my QT wallet have gone.

Status: 312 confirmations
Date: 16/02/2014 03:43
To: 1JJewUpXpBHNDWVqzkKk7kWa7pQzRGfzpG
Debit: -11.24 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0006 BTC
Net amount: -11.2406 BTC
Transaction ID: df776f8492caaee7004594f9e8b399342e24ce7febd8b79621ac7ded958b78ba

Question how can this Happen if my Wallet is Encrypted , With a very long password.

Obviously the password wasn't strong enough. You should be using one of the 63 character ascii passwords from grc.com/password, the nice thing is these passwords never get regenerated no matter how times you refresh Steve Gibson's website. Smiley 
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February 18, 2014, 12:11:33 PM
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Whoever this is, they increased hashing rate ~10% in the last 4 days. Now up to ~1ph or 20% of eligius pool (4% of the whole network).
The other account (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) is dropping a little bit.

Thats BITMAIN

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February 18, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
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Off topic.

I have just been robbed , just about all my Coins in my QT wallet have gone.

Status: 312 confirmations
Date: 16/02/2014 03:43
To: 1JJewUpXpBHNDWVqzkKk7kWa7pQzRGfzpG
Debit: -11.24 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0006 BTC
Net amount: -11.2406 BTC
Transaction ID: df776f8492caaee7004594f9e8b399342e24ce7febd8b79621ac7ded958b78ba

Question how can this Happen if my Wallet is Encrypted , With a very long password.

Obviously the password wasn't strong enough. You should be using one of the 63 character ascii passwords from grc.com/password, the nice thing is these passwords never get regenerated no matter how times you refresh Steve Gibson's website. Smiley 

Doesn't matter how long your password is if you have a keylogger trojan on your machine.

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February 18, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
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Whoever this is, they increased hashing rate ~10% in the last 4 days. Now up to ~1ph or 20% of eligius pool (4% of the whole network).
The other account (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) is dropping a little bit.

Thats BITMAIN

Top, bottom or both are bitmain? Someone had posted that top is KnC.
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February 18, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
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I had some time and decided to come out of lurk mode and create an account.  Please insert speculation regarding my motives as a first time poster here:

Question is how long have you been lurking? By your responses, not long.

What finally prompted this post is my surprise at how a few short updates from KNC that spawned some speculation have now turned into facts after a couple weeks, with no additional information.

You mean their dodging of questions from even their most respected customers, and their customer relations department effectively shutting down, doesn't add to your surprise?

I don't see any real justification for the complaints about their NPS, because they didn't ship more power during the declared NPS timeframe.

You're kidding right? 3 Chinese OEM's shipped daily since December 1st, along with another company. Their NPS stated they would offer more equipment to be shipped same month if competitors were shipping hashpower. How can they offer same month? They already had more than enough 28nm on hand in preparation for this, and for their datacenter (which they'd been planning). This ties in below. Not sure where you get that competition didn't ship more, the hashrate went up throughout the NPS time window, as did the difficulty. Jupiters were supposed to be valuable well past spring if competition wasn't shipping. They're no longer valuable now.

 I've seen speculation that they were mining themselves the whole time, but exactly zero proof of it, so to me this is just noise.  

Huh? They show their own datacenter in several press reports and video releases. It's significant. They even admitted to mining the entire time, but they won't say how much power they're using. It's likely to say they were using far more than they want to admit.

The endless whining about their decision not to sell more add on modules after they suggested they might is also noise. They never promised to, and only said to keep some BTC available if you can, so I'm not sure what anyone hopes to gain by hammering on about it.

It's like you know nothing about the company or anything in their newsletter, or in their terms of service. For every single product they've offered for sale, one of the primary selling points/features (since June 2013) was modular upgradability, and that modules would in fact be produced side-by-side and available. They included this bullet point in batches 1 & 2 of Neptune as well, but redacted it for batch 3. This has been discussed many times over, and has even the most hardcore KNC supporters upset, because when questioned in email, Sam and the other KNC guys said--without a doubt--they would always be selling the modules for the products which could be upgraded.


If they add 3.6Ph to cover one batch at a time, then at present that would increase network power by 1/7 - but it may well not come online until June

They said they plan on getting it up and running as soon as possible, and said they could have it up and running within a month or so. They'll likely have it going long before June.

Realistically, between Hashfast and Cointerra finally shipping, and even BFL (which while already late seems like it will eventually ship the Monarch)

Monarch isn't late, original ship timeframe was March-April. Where do you get any of your information?


and KNC's statement that they haven't been cranking out a lot more 28nm hardware. Every other statement about this is speculation, much of it contravening the few facts we have, and is just useless noise to wade through on the forum.

They said they hadn't been making more 28nm for sell orders. It's important to note the wording. They've kept their foundry very busy over the last few months.

So there is a lack of information problem, but that has not stopped the perception from being that they've already been mining with giant amounts of power, or that we've all somehow been screwed as such even though whatever they have done, or are going to do is not a huge % delta in total network hashing power over all the other stuff that is shipping now from other manufacturer's, or is likely to. So am I missing something here, is there some signal in the noise of this forum that I missed?

Judging by your lackluster understanding of the facts at hand, and how the difficulty increase steps haven't really slowed down which shows generous network growth, I'd say you have indeed missed a lot. Go back and read starting around Nov 1st, and you'll actually understand the situation and why so many long-term supporters have jumped ship. It isn't just noise, what you're seeing is the clamour of folks waking up and smelling the burnt toast.

Seems like once a week someone "new" is coming in the forum who claims they've kept up with things, and doesn't understand why people are hating so much.. and then within a short period of time the light bulb comes on for them too.

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