Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[poodle63]

elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!

... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

  They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  

Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~

An if they do ic design so good, then why a lot of super junk ship out, it is really doubt and can't convince people.

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[Phoenix1969]

elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!

... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

  They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  

Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~

Yeah, that's exactly what all the armchair experts said about Jupiter.
Get ready to be astounded.
You say KNC cant possibly do it, yet spondoolies already has it, and KNC has a record of good design success.

[s1gs3gv]

Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.

The promise was Q1/2 ?

yes
q1 Jan feb march
q2 april May June  -  they have over 5 weeks still in Q2
q3 July Aug Sept
Q4 Oct Nov. Dec.

According to Kurt the fat lady is still trying to decide what dress to wear for her gala nite.

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/40866-neptune-information-racking-etc/page2

[poodle63]

elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!

... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

  They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  

Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~

Yeah, that's exactly what all the armchair experts said about Jupiter.
Get ready to be astounded.

yes, another 9 month to go, i do astounded by this~ cheers

also take an example of spondoolies is meaning less, we are talking knc here, the one who I'd really trusted brand and get me a little dis-pointed.

[Phoenix1969]

It's easy to get caught up in all the negativity due to their actions, but the facts and history say their specs are real.
and spondoolies did it.
You obviously didn't have to endure this from the beginning... lol
The chip specs are actually the only REAL info I can "count on" imho  lest the delivery dates...  ug.
They at KNC have years more experience designing ASICs than any of the competition, and there's absolutely no reason to not believe the posted chip specs. This is really a moot subject anyways, we have been through this same argument in here dozens of times with both designs.
Read the novel (this thread) sometime from page 1...hehe.  

[s1gs3gv]

the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.

[poodle63]

No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~

[tzortz]

the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.

Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.

What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.

What is the rest of the different implementation?

Thanks in advance.

[Phoenix1969]

No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~

WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread or at least the KNC news timeline before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'

[raskul]

No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~

WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'

you're slippin back into that fanboy mode eric
 
SEPTEMBER.

[Phoenix1969]

Hehe, well...  I'm just trying to keep an "honest perspective"
I sure could fill a few pages with complaints of my own, again and again...
but there's no sense in letting disinformation spread too far...
There's already enough "Legit" dirt on KNC to write a small good sized  HUGE novel...    

[s1gs3gv]

the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.

Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.

What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.

What is the rest of the different implementation?

Thanks in advance.

Let me preface my remarks by saying I am not an expert on ASIC development or manufacture. However I do have a professional background in CS and EE.

That said, there are clear differences between the SP approach and the KNC approach. The SP10 uses '192 Spondoolies-Tech Hammer ASIC units' whereas KNC has stated that the Neptune adopts the Jupiter approach, ie: one large ASIC on each of a small number (4) of boards. Ignoring at the moment the complexities of using the 20nm process for the 1st time, the KNC chip is almost certainly at least an order of magnitude more complex than the SP chip and represents signficantly more design effort and technical accomplishment.

The Titan also adopts this design philosophy and relies on only 4 VLSI SOC ASICS, each with 2284 cores, 55mm x 55mm in size, manufactured on a 28nm node, dissipating 300w each.

The SP30 according to SP uses 30 RockerBox ASICS, which are a die shrink of the 40nm Hammer ASIC to a 28nm process and therefore involves very little new design. I don't intend to demean SP's accomplishments, which are significant, but I don't think they represent an existence proof that makes it more likely that KNC will ship their products on schedule.

[tzortz]

Thanks for the information.

So, the advantage of the KNC vs the SP chip design is that it needs less space , only?

[poodle63]

No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~

WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread or at least the KNC news timeline before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'

WTF~ Dud,  before reply, you better go to learn some product cycle management, mean time they sale gen  1, they already tapped out gen 2, as a company like knc, new product design cycle time took 9 months is unacceptable.  That's the truth behind fact~

  

[The Avenger]

therefore involves very little new design.

Which is the way it should be! That's proper engineering. Only total idiots throw away what works and do a total redesign. It's obvious KNC only ever did 20nm to justify the ridiculus Neptune price tag.

They could have shipped 3TH Frankenjups in January and made all their customers very very happy. If the power draw was a bit heavy, well, that would be okay for most people if they could have split the rig up and had it 5 months ago. Now the electricity costs are going to be a big factor from day 1 with Neptune.

But KNC's whole business model is built on lying to customers and exploiting their money, so they don't care about any of that stuff. They don't give a shit if customers lose big time, as long as they do the bare minimum to meet their obligations.

While that datacentre is spitting out a decent amount of coins, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot and ship Neptune  

[s1gs3gv]

Thanks for the information.
So, the advantage of the KNC vs the SP chip design is that it needs less space , only?

I think each manufacturer in the bitcoin and litecoin mining space has a different philosophy with respect to how they position their products.
Some are focused entirely on shipping a cost competitive product as soon as possible at the expense of useful product life, whereas others are planning for the longer term and the end game.

Long live the differences.

For information on the benefits of VLSI SOC implementations, google is your friend tzortz.

[samsonn25]

There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

[s1gs3gv]

There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

If that is true, then bitcoin is doomed. No miners, no network, no bitcoin.

I don't believe bitcoin is doomed. Obviously, neither does KNC.

[samsonn25]

BTC isnt doomed.  Its still on schedule to dool out 21 million coins.

The mining landscape will change because of difficulty adjustment.

BTC will still be generated, traded......

[s1gs3gv]

BTC isnt doomed.

The mining landscape will change.

BTC will still be generated, traded......

So you are proposing forking bitcoin to a PoS ? LOL