Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[edgar]

pity projection....

lies about ignoring...

did you forget to mention you're getting a (sigh) titan? or did you actually read my post and take note?

obvious liar....


...obvious


keep trying to build that rep - long scammer.

phonie will back you

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[BitcoinPappi]

Stop the bickering kids 

Difficulty should reach escape velocity now that KNC has fully funded  there new asics. They will probably stop selling soon and make miners for themselves . If that really does happen, hopefully all has learnt. The customers would have just been a means to an end, not the business model.

[s1gs3gv]

up until a week or so ago i thought s1gs3gv was a lot smarter - but perhaps hes playing a role for reason/s as yet unestablished??

Why thank you Sir Edgar. If you are referring to my agreement with Searing that it is probably best just to buy BTC instead of miners, I'm not sure how you could take exception to that. After all, buying mining hardware now is like buying BTC at a 10-20% premium.

Will be interesting to see how the S3 is priced ...

[wpgdeez]

oh, so theyre in 'shipping' phase already??

i guess that means early june datacentre mining wasnt necessary after all.

how fortunate for everyone...

so sad to see the tards, shills, turds & muppets all jizz in their pants about something they barely seem to comprehend.

 fake quote - "but its one box, i mean 5, i mean 6, they said 2, no wait, but umm, im always right around my 'mates' who actually just physically ignore me rather than press an ignore button on & off a few dozen times a day" /fake quote

party on, liars!!

Where did you hear KNC were shipping already?
....or is this more of your B.S. shining through?

By the looks of that doggone photo you may be right about the 5 boxes tho
Looks like a network nightmare waiting to happen
... hope your home network will handle more than 5 i.p's. Mine won't!

Ever hear of a thing called a router?

[faetos]

^ ya, srsly. If you're willing to plunk down 10Gs have some sense and just go get decent 16 or 24 port device. Not sure how to run it then spend a few more quid to get someone to set it up for you. It's not that hard.

[RoadStress]

At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something. One Neptune was worth ~12k$ (VAT included) and one August SP30 was worth $4,500 (in my GB). The BTC difference isn't worth the difference in payment. As for the August delivery of the free 3Th/s we will have to see about that. I am reserved about that.

I agree with you...  But there are people that have tried to convince people (and has worked I'm sure) that if you get 6TH in September and nothing now you will end up making more money.  Those people are just clever salesmen ... Terrible for the community...

It's not like you can get a 3Th/s Neptune now. If you buy a Neptune now you will get it in September too. There is nothing on stock right now.

hmm, we bought 3thmin, and are getting another 3th min in end of batch 3 for 10k CAbatch...   I think you may need to re-sharpen your pencil
Have you joined the team of trolls here advertising other companies shit too?   WTF?

Please post your 3Th/s Neptune to a single Eligius address to track it's earnings. When you get your free Neptune point that to the same address. We draw the line on 31 December 2014.

So you are selling cheap inefficient use of power in an expensive immersion cooled setup. Much marketing, less hardware.

Roadstress sp30 offering:$0.88/gh 0.5w/gh $0.15/kwh (starts hashing in a few months)

Datatank offering: $0.93/gh 0.6w/gh $0.025/kwh (starts hashing in a few weeks)

0.6w/gh is not inefficient and <$0.5/w for cooling is not expensive.

Please be more bad evasive at comparing apples with oranges. Comparing different power prices shows exactly how bad intended are you. Are you implying that an SP30 CAN'T be hosted for the same $0.025/kwh or what? Anyone that can afford a DataTank can also afford building his own air cooled datacenter in the WA state where power is $0.025/kwh! Comparing $0.15/kwh with $0.025/kwh is simply lame.

Also please show me demo of the Datatank reaching 0.6w/gh, otherwise is just in your dreams.

Also how can you get better numbers with an sp30? Datatank hardware production costs are $0.53/gh vs your material costs of $0.5/gh. Will you be selling SP30 in a few weeks for $3200 each? (including shipping)

Again comparing apples with oranges! How can you compare datatank hardware production costs with full miners production costs? Unbelievable!

As soon as these datatanks go up for sale you will have to match their price to compete gather preorders.

Right as for the delayed rx-miners? I am sure sales are booming now with the S3 announced.

[s1gs3gv]

At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something.

You really should learn to pick your arguments RoadStress …

6TH @ $4500, 18% increase in difficulty, $.15kwh electricity cost, starting in 45 days (early-mid August) will earn less than 7 BTC before it is operating in the RED. At today's BTC prices, you could purchase more BTC than the SP30 will earn before it becomes a boat anchor.

Presumably, since you are a genius at math, you have figured this out for yourself. The only question we are all asking is why are you shilling so hard for SP30 machines when you know buying BTC is a better option. We're guessing its because you profit from it.

As an on-topic comment, it is clear that a Neptune @ similar prices is in a similarly disadvantaged situation.

[jimmothy]

It's not like you can get a 3Th/s Neptune now. If you buy a Neptune now you will get it in September too. There is nothing on stock right now.

Do you really think they will be shipping in september? They said they expect to ship batch 1 and 2 before the end of this month..

So you are selling cheap inefficient use of power in an expensive immersion cooled setup. Much marketing, less hardware.

Roadstress sp30 offering:$0.88/gh 0.5w/gh $0.15/kwh (starts hashing in a few months)

Datatank offering: $0.93/gh 0.6w/gh $0.025/kwh (starts hashing in a few weeks)

0.6w/gh is not inefficient and <$0.5/w for cooling is not expensive.

Please be more bad evasive at comparing apples with oranges. Comparing different power prices shows exactly how bad intended are you. Are you implying that an SP30 CAN'T be hosted for the same $0.025/kwh or what? Anyone that can afford a DataTank can also afford building his own air cooled datacenter in the WA state where power is $0.025/kwh! Comparing $0.15/kwh with $0.025/kwh is simply lame.

You only need 0.028btc to afford datatank/giant mining operation rates.

It's a fair comparison because your customers need to spend $5,300 + $0.15/kwh where as datatank customers spend $17 for 18GH. Please show me hosting at $0.025/kwh available to your customers. I doubt you can even find below $0.05/kwh.

Yes someone could probably build an air cooled DC but even at $0.025/kwh immersion cooling would save ~$200,000/year in electricity costs alone.

Also please show me demo of the Datatank reaching 0.6w/gh, otherwise is just in your dreams.

It was confirmed to be tested at 0.6w/gh by datatank.

Also how can you get better numbers with an sp30? Datatank hardware production costs are $0.53/gh vs your material costs of $0.5/gh. Will you be selling SP30 in a few weeks for $3200 each? (including shipping)

Again comparing apples with oranges! How can you compare datatank hardware production costs with full miners production costs? Unbelievable!

Datatank HW production costs are $0.53/gh. $0.82/gh is including cooling.

[RoadStress]

At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something.

You really should learn to pick your arguments RoadStress …

6TH @ $4500, 18% increase in difficulty, $.15kwh electricity cost, starting in 45 days (early-mid August) will earn less than 7 BTC before it is operating in the RED. At today's BTC prices, you could purchase more BTC than the SP30 will earn before it becomes a boat anchor.

Presumably, since you are a genius at match you have figured this out for yourself. The only question we all are asking is why are you shilling so hard for SP30 machines when you know buying BTC is a better option.

So you deny your own statement. Good one. If the future is as bad as you say with 6TH/s then it's actually worse for the Neptune "delivered" one month earlier since it has 1/2 of the hashrate and more power consumption.

BTC is a better option when? At what exchange rate and sold when?

[Syke]

Do you really think they will be shipping in september? They said they expect to ship batch 1 and 2 before the end of this month..

Batch 2 is next month.

Batch 2 pre-order customers before the end of the month.

[Phoenix1969]

If this Neptune is really a 5 box solution, then I'm wondering if they are linked with data-ribbon, or each box stand-alone, in which case the GH/Watt rating is increased by the added BBB/controller combo in each box. (Maybe controller/pcb on a single board now) Trading efficiency for RMA "ease". Considering past events, probably a wise move on their part, although it looks oddly like a pain in the *ss to deal with so many ip's and GUI pages, and miner worker-names, etc.... to bad they're not wifi
Future board revisions will surely yield greater efficiency, especially if they use the multi-asic per board approach, and only have one controller BBB combo to feed power to... or was there a limit on what the BBB could handle Th/s wise?

[tolip_wen]

If this Neptune is really a 5 box solution, then I'm wondering if they are linked with data-ribbon, or each box stand-alone, in which case the GH/Watt rating is increased by the added BBB/controller combo in each box. (Maybe controller/pcb on a single board now) Trading efficiency for RMA "ease". Considering past events, probably a wise move on their part, although it looks oddly like a pain in the *ss to deal with so many ip's and GUI pages, and miner worker-names, etc.... to bad they're not wifi
Future board revisions will surely yield greater efficiency, especially if they use the multi-asic per board approach, and only have one controller BBB combo to feed power to.

Considering that the "n" in KnC stands for FRUGAL TO A FAULT,
my bets would be on one controller and serial connections. It need not be ribbon cable though.

YMMV

[dropt]

Considering that the "n" in KnC stands for FRUGAL TO A FAULT,
my bets would be on one controller and serial connections. It need not be ribbon cable though.

YMMV

I concur.  Aso, it is unlikely that they'll ever have more than one ASIC per board/box and that single PCI-E plug is a major safety hazard.

[The Avenger]

What did I miss? UPS shipping notifications flying out to everyone all over the world? 400 Neptunes shipped, 2 days left to ship the other 800 rigs in batch 1 as they promised?! KFC are hamazing!

We expect to ship to Batch 1 pre-order customers this week

[Phoenix1969]

Considering that the "n" in KnC stands for FRUGAL TO A FAULT,
my bets would be on one controller and serial connections. It need not be ribbon cable though.

YMMV

I concur.  Aso, it is unlikely that they'll ever have more than one ASIC per board/box and that single PCI-E plug is a major safety hazard.

if only a single asic and pcb per box, then why a safety hazard?
I't basically the same as the 28nm was then
edit:   oh, i see..    2100 watts/5 is 420 per plug...ouch   Double connectors (pci splitter)may be in order.....  wonder how hot those leads will be

[Phoenix1969]

up until a week or so ago i thought s1gs3gv was a lot smarter - but perhaps hes playing a role for reason/s as yet unestablished??

Why thank you Sir Edgar. If you are referring to my agreement with Searing that it is probably best just to buy BTC instead of miners, I'm not sure how you could take exception to that. After all, buying mining hardware now is like buying BTC at a 10-20% premium.

Will be interesting to see how the S3 is priced ...

Actually i fully agree with the sentiment of buying coin direct over paying full price for any of the miners on offer now. but this was discussed, calculated & agreed upon when the S2 was released 'ages' ago.

Sighrings repetition of it among other bunkum hardly makes him the 'founding father of forethought'

I was specifically referring to your recent 'Leave KnC Alone' crusade, them chumps fumbled the ball in september last year - and NEVER managed to get a grip since!

i wont repeat how & why as it is already fully known & understood.

As for the S3 - my guess is Over-Priced, as per 'sigh'ing usual.

i think much more interesting will be the state of the 'nearlytunes' when they start arriving on doorsteps & the subsequent cheers/tears 999/911 calls for the fire brigade/dept.

the greed of these guys knows NO bounds


LOL @ Phonie 'never stops learning' - clearly you need to bone up on your math as well as reading comprehension, or perhaps you can hit the old ignore aka save me from my own ignorance button

What is your point here besides attempting to piss others off? After bashing Searing, and ridiculing him, you admit he's probably right yet want to be sure you said it was your thought first?  You are so shallow.

[edgar]

raw nerve, phonie?

try utilizing your brain, you want to project this image of knowing wtf you are talking about, putting ppl down whilst being among the most retarded members among us.

as well as being dishonest, you are dense, hard headed and a slow learner who happens to be a know-nothing know-it-all.

edit some more to prove you're not simple.

or go & cry to the mods....S'More

smart of you to remove your dishonest 'never stops learning' crap - even if you are still residing on Pluto.


Oooh, the classic 'twist facts to suit your insanity', its been a while since you employed that one in here!

i NEVER said it first and you know full well i NEVER claimed to, you are so crooked!

leopards & spots eh...

[dropt]

if only a single asic and pcb per box, then why a safety hazard?
I't basically the same as the 28nm was then
edit:   oh, i see..    2100 watts/5 is 420 per plug...ouch   Double connectors (pci splitter)may be in order.....  wonder how hot those leads will be

Molex rates those Minifit-JR plugs at 8A per conductor.  Since there are three, the plug itself is rated to 24A.  KNC intends for you to run at 45.8% above the manufacturer's rating.   Any thoughts on what happens after running something like this 24/7 at 45.8% above its rated capacity?

So it's not a matter of the PSU cables, or requiring a splitter.  It's a matter of the connector that's mated to the PCB being run well past its rating.  There should be at MINIMUM two PCI-E plugs, three if you want to leave the end-user room to overclock.

[raskul]

if only a single asic and pcb per box, then why a safety hazard?
I't basically the same as the 28nm was then
edit:   oh, i see..    2100 watts/5 is 420 per plug...ouch   Double connectors (pci splitter)may be in order.....  wonder how hot those leads will be

Molex rates those Minifit-JR plugs at 8A per conductor.  Since there are three, the plug itself is rated to 24A.  KNC intends for you to run at 45.8% above the manufacturer's rating.   Any thoughts on what happens after running something like this 24/7 at 45.8% above its rated capacity?

i'll give 'em a clue - you can roast marshmallows with it 

[Cablez]

if only a single asic and pcb per box, then why a safety hazard?
I't basically the same as the 28nm was then
edit:   oh, i see..    2100 watts/5 is 420 per plug...ouch   Double connectors (pci splitter)may be in order.....  wonder how hot those leads will be

Molex rates those Minifit-JR plugs at 8A per conductor.  Since there are three, the plug itself is rated to 24A.  KNC intends for you to run at 45.8% above the manufacturer's rating.   Any thoughts on what happens after running something like this 24/7 at 45.8% above its rated capacity?

i'll give 'em a clue - you can roast marshmallows with it 

Those housings will not survive at those ratings and become brittle and then melt/burn out. I really hope that KnC can get the power down for these or it will be real interesting.