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Jay:  Insightful comments that will probably inspire a short essay.

No.... don't do it.



An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

Why would any of us give any shits, unless we believe there were some better coin?  proof of stake, perhaps?   or some kind of amorphous, distracting and misleading SJW nonsense like that? Angry Angry
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Jay:  Insightful comments that will probably inspire a short essay.

No.... don't do it.



An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

Why would any of us give any shits, unless we believe there were some better coin?  proof of stake, perhaps?   or some kind of amorphous and misleading SJW nonsense like that? Angry Angry

 I thought it was purely for science.  I will cease calculations at once.
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An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

 From inception or for each new block?  


Purely from a scientific point of view. And from inception, thus the genesis block.

Would be nice to see(feel) the monumental work and energy that was put to secure the blockchain and to get an impression and a feel of how much power was used to create this distributed ledger.
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An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

Why would any of us give any shits, unless we believe there were some better coin?  proof of stake, perhaps?   or some kind of amorphous and misleading SJW nonsense like that? Angry Angry

 I thought it was purely for science.  I will cease calculations at once.

Ok.  get working on it, homberblomber... longhandedly, hopefully, you will complete your no-stone-left-unturned calculations on or before the next halvening...... right around the same time that friends1980 finishes reading this whole thread, while submitting his report back to us.    Shocked



An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

 From inception or for each new block?  


Purely from a scientific point of view. And from inception, thus the genesis block.

Would be nice to see(feel) the monumental work and energy that was put to secure the blockchain and to get an impression and a feel of how much power was used to create this distributed disturbed ledger.

FTFY   Tongue
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September 15, 2020, 01:13:41 AM

An interesting question just popped in my mind:


How much kWh was used to create the current Blockchain?


Should be somehow possible to calculate it based on the given mining hardware and mining difficulty.

Possible to estimate, yes; but I don’t see how it could be easy.  That would require cost/efficiency estimates for every generation of miners:  CPU (various optimized implementations and CPU models), GPU (ditto), FPGA, every generation of ASIC...

Does a collection of those historical data even exist anywhere?  If you folks discussing this were to gather in the first instance, the effort may be worth a research paper.  Maybe one already exists (with data up to some past point).

Purely from a scientific point of view. And from inception, thus the genesis block.

Would be nice to see(feel) the monumental work and energy that was put to secure the blockchain and to get an impression and a feel of how much power was used to create this distributed ledger.

I don’t think that the historical electricity cost would give a clear view of the current security of the Bitcoin blockchain.  With ASIC hardware, you could easily outrun the whole early CPU-mined Bitcoin network at drastically lower energy cost!  Of course, as you continued rewriting blockchain history, sooner or later, you would slam into the historical point at which the real Bitcoin network’s hashrate exceeded your hardware’s capabilities.  From that point onwards, you would just get further and further behind with your fake blockchain, as the chaintip of the real Bitcoin network keeps advancing faster than you can chase it.*

Still, yes, the energy-cost accounting would be historically interesting.

purely for science

The real kind!

(* And one of the marvellous properties of the Nakamoto Consensus is that the “real” chain can be selected by an isolated node with no information except the block data alleging one or more consensus-rule valid chains.  Most-work (not “longest”) chain wins, and that’s that.  Not even a trustworthy realtime clock source is required.  It is the whole point of how this is supposed to work; but somehow, I often see people missing it—usually when they want to suggest some “improvement” which would break Bitcoin’s security without even achieving what they expect.)



Jay:  Insightful comments that will probably inspire a short essay.

No.... don't do it.


Is that investment advice to avoid shorting my lifetime at high leverage by posting on an Internet forum?  Confirmed math and science calculate that writing on the Internet brings −99.53088288% ROI.
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Still, yes, the energy-cost accounting would be historically interesting.

No need to worry.  We are in good hands since homer is working on it.  

He is quite detail orientated.  

If anyone can get the job done, that would be xhomerx10.  Wink

Jay:  Insightful comments that will probably inspire a short essay.

No.... don't do it.


Is that investment advice to avoid shorting my lifetime at high leverage by posting on an Internet forum?  Confirmed math and science calculate that writing on the Internet brings −99.53088288% ROI.

Well.  I tried talking you out of it, but you seem determined.  

Difficult to stop the distribution and disturbation of a potentially great and purportedly short essay, whose time has come.
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Working on it...

 Transferring 10 MB of data uses about the amount of energy in a AA battery which is 0.0039 kWh
Here are the top ten viewed YouTube music videos and the number of times they were viewed (while I compiled this tonight).

Song_Title_Artist__Uniform_Resource_Locator__Number_of_Views_
DespacitoLuis_Fonsi_ft._Daddy_Yankeehttps://youtu.be/kJQP7kiw5Fk6965149726
Baby_SharkPINKFONGhttps://youtu.be/XqZsoesa55w6555048616
Shape_of_YouEd_Sheeranhttps://youtu.be/JGwWNGJdvx84974976171
See_You_AgainWiz_Khalifa_ft._Charlie_Puthhttps://youtu.be/RgKAFK5djSk4721137015
Uptown_FunkMark_Ronson_ft._Bruno_Marshttps://youtu.be/OPf0YbXqDm03945458571
Gangnam_Style_PSYhttps://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f03782347210
SorryJustin_Bieberhttps://youtu.be/fRh_vgS2dFE3338412458
SugarMaroon_5https://youtu.be/09R8_2nJtjg3281040028
RoarKaty_Perryhttps://youtu.be/CevxZvSJLk83172242295
Thinking_Out_LoudEd_Sheeranhttps://youtu.be/lp-EO5I60KA3072397098

 The average video play time is ~ 4 minutes which equates to about 40 MB of data transfer per video per view.
The total number of views for the 10 songs above is 43808209188.
This translates to 683408063.3328 kWh of energy for the data transfer alone.  

 I'm just warming up.  Thanks for the confidence and the pressure JJG, it will help me to achieve the optimal level of arousal required to complete my mission.

 Wait, should I even bother to include data transfer for pool mining or just the CPU/GPU/FPGA/ASIC power required for hashing?

  Don't worry @Hueristic.  I'll use the network hash rate in my calculation to ensure the energy usage from all miners is included.

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Very BIG evening update for the shrewd trader who is into the confirmed math and science of trading:

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This translates to 683408063.3328 kWh of energy for the data transfer alone. 

I'm just warming up.  Thanks for the confidence and the pressure JJG, it will help me to achieve the optimal level of arousal required to complete my mission.

Wait, should I even bother to include data transfer for pool mining or just the CPU/GPU/FPGA/ASIC power required for hashing?

Don't worry @Hueristic.  I'll use the network hash rate in my calculation to ensure the energy usage from all miners is included.


Damn, that's the spirit - awesome !

I was thinking of only the power required to run the hash rate. But if transferring the block chain to thousands of different peers at a specific time (different sizes, varying amount of nodes, etc) makes an extra impact to the total power usage, it would be awesome to include it as well for the big picture.

My main idea is to have a given number to show how much raw power was put into building the blockchain, to show that it is not backed by nothing, but that we are building the new digital pyramids.
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It's pAmping...

Proud, the Honey Badger must be!
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Sometimes you haiku.
Other times your ass gets haiku'ed.
Regardless, I hodl.









So the 'purpose' of WO now is to 'taunt' me with 'un-obtainable Women', as well as NOT having the 'huge' pump in BTC/Crypto prices that I desired at the

beginning of this year of 2020. Sad

damn, that is just mean...I mean give me a BTC/Crypto 'pump' to $15k ...and I'd give it a pass...but BOTH....cruel, WO, cruel indeed....Sad

(maybe I need a Cat...Cat people tell me life is better with a Cat...at least you give up the idea of any control in the household with a Cat)...

Brad

 Better get checked for allergies first.  Life with cat if you're allergic sucks ass - trust me.


yeah..allergic to cats.....hot girls allergic to me...the wheel of FUD and despair continues...... ;(

can't even engage in my POW miner addiction anymore of any BTC/Crypto in that makes little sense these days...

oh well, I have WO right? So I'm well adjusted right?
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xhomerx10, I created a new thread to answer the raw power used to build the Bitcoin blockchain so the discussion won't get buried under thousand of pages.

Would be great if you could contribute your work there !

Here's the thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275873.new#new
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Working on it...
Don't worry @Hueristic.  I'll use the network hash rate in my calculation to ensure the energy usage from all miners is included.

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Yeah these tables are rough...

I have no Idea how you can differentiate between base systems, gpu miners, fpgas and asics over time. The overlap is huge and due to locations their profitability is widely varied so you would have to make massive assumptions. Literally this could take a person a lifetime to get within a small tolerance of error.

Not to mention it is widely believed satoshi (and others) used custom FPGAs and how those could be calculated is beyond me.
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Working on it...
Don't worry @Hueristic.  I'll use the network hash rate in my calculation to ensure the energy usage from all miners is included.

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Yeah these tables are rough...

I have no Idea how you can differentiate between base systems, gpu miners, fpgas and asics over time. The overlap is huge and due to locations their profitability is widely varied so you would have to make massive assumptions. Literally this could take a person a lifetime to get within a small tolerance of error.

Not to mention it is widely believed satoshi (and others) used custom FPGAs and how those could be calculated is beyond me.

 It's certainly going to take a while to compile the data we'll need but I think we're going to find that recent mining of blocks far outweighs earlier mining in terms of the power requirement.  My hope is that it will be enough of a difference to make the error very small even with the assumptions that will have to be made.
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It's certainly going to take a while to compile the data we'll need but I think we're going to find that recent mining of blocks far outweighs earlier mining in terms of the power requirement.  My hope is that it will be enough of a difference to make the error very small even with the assumptions that will have to be made.


I've been dealing with migraines for awhile now and just trying to think on this is making my head hurt,

Good luck man, I can't wait to see what you come up with! Smiley
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It's certainly going to take a while to compile the data we'll need but I think we're going to find that recent mining of blocks far outweighs earlier mining in terms of the power requirement.  My hope is that it will be enough of a difference to make the error very small even with the assumptions that will have to be made.


I've been dealing with migraines for awhile now and just trying to think on this is making my head hurt,

Good luck man, I can't wait to see what you come up with! Smiley

we use 5000 to 7000 megawatts an hour for sept 14 2020

which is 120,000 to 168,000 megawatts a day.

based this on

135eh at 50 watts a th that is 6750megawatts an hour

second estimate based on

135eh at 40 watts a th that is 5400 megawatts. an hour.


add five percent for servers, cooling,and network resources.

maybe 5400+270=.  5670 low
and.     6750+ 330= 7100 high


lots of power.


now lazy sloppy number for all time is 168,000/2 x days we mined and i think it will be too high.
i also think 120000/2 x days we mined is too high.

i get those long estimates by using 0 for day one and 168,000 for today which gives an average of 84,000

or the lower one of 0 + 120,000= 120,000/2 = 60000

i am thinking the life long estimates will not be correct. at all.

but the estimate for today sept 14 is decent.
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Don't worry @Hueristic.  I'll use the network hash rate in my calculation to ensure the energy usage from all miners is included.

Whoaza!!!  Shocked

I am feeling muchos MOAR buddenings of warm and fuzzie tingilies #nohomo finding out no miner left uncalculated, whether s/he, [they](sic), it be block winner or no.   Wink



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yeah..allergic to cats.....hot girls allergic to me...the wheel of FUD and despair continues...... ;(

I am glad that this back and forth brainstorming session seems to be working towards identifying the problem (which therefore should lead to potential solutions).

In other words, the problem does not appear to be internal to you, Searing.  It's either las chiquitas or perhaps there is some kind of application that you would be able to apply towards solving such real world issues.

In other words, you should be able to employ some of your BTC towards obtaining some kind of remedy, such as a powder, oil or pheromone that causes las chiquitas to magnetize towards you rather than against you... changing the gravitation field or otherwise moving celestial bodies, if you get what I am saying...  (Disclaimer: Surely, don't go full bill cosby on us, only a mild form of bill cosby (Pg-13 form), if necessary, will do).  

Check back in with the WO brainstormers (advisors) once you have acquired such products (not the snake-oil ones) and attempted applying such solutions towards one or more real life chiquitas.  There might be a movie in this.
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Observing some profit taking in the $10.7k range. Looks like we may be in for a bit of sideways action before $11k.

I give it 24 hours.
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