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August 13, 2020, 05:28:41 PM
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You guys got the 12 word seed thing part wrong.

Short version:
12 words is like 128 bits (2048^12 = 2^132)
24 words is like 256 bits

Long version:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Seed_phrase
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6twuj1/are_12word_seeds_for_bitcoin_private_keys_secure/


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"Socialist"


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If anyone else is ever sued by him, they would be justified in asking the court to take a deposit in advance against fees in case of default.

I find him slightly less appealing than an anal wart.


you sir..are insulting anal warts everywhere

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slight adjustment of the short fibs to test better fitment     still consolidating near the 0.236 before another attempt at $12k+

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August 13, 2020, 05:36:41 PM

I just realized this morning under the shower that Microstrategy bought 1 in every 1000 BTC (0,1% of supply). Imagine other large companies starting to do the same, that's what could really pump the price.

@Coindesk
JUST IN: @coinbase will offer bitcoin-backed cash loans to select U.S. customers, beginning this fall.

@Nate_DiCamillo reports
https://t.co/pE9YP0jZNL

Thanks...

and..told ya, they want you to lend your btc out and/or borrow against it, then, once it dips, collect your btc under some pretense such as 'you have exceeded your collateral limits, so the loan had to be liquidated'. Basically, don't do it.

I'm not saying you should do it but I don't see Coinbase doing this. Will have to read the fine print of course.

Cash is so cheap right now that they must swim in it so looking to do something with it.
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August 13, 2020, 05:52:28 PM


I don't get it how people just accept this kind of bullshit as a normal thing...
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August 13, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
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A pyramid scheme is an investment scam based on a hierarchical setup of network marketing, in which higher layer participants profit at the expense of those lower down. Fiat currencies are pyramid schemes erected by central banks, who actively manipulate the price of gold.



https://twitter.com/breedlove22/status/1293517596185079812?s=21



Threw off a couple of interesting thoughts in my mind, duderino.  Have some merit.  BTC would have its own pyramid, but with fewer layers...  And KUDOS to our WO members above who have suggested trickery might be afoot in the BTC borrowing (scams?) should the borrowers default on returning the BTC...

BTC does count as money (both as SOV (Store of Value) and MOE (Medium of Exchange)) to at least some degree.  I have used BTC as a MOE to buy gold.  But I "stack" BTC in larger amounts as a SOV.

El Señor Duderino provided me a valuable insight today.  As have many of you.
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August 13, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
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You guys got the 12 word seed thing part wrong.

Short version:
12 words is like 128 bits (2048^12 = 2^132)
24 words is like 256 bits

Long version:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Seed_phrase
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6twuj1/are_12word_seeds_for_bitcoin_private_keys_secure/


That's total entropy where you have no information about the key, but we're starting from a position where we already know the fragments and just need the order - a grossly reduced search space.
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August 13, 2020, 06:22:45 PM



Tesla most popular, but btc/usd notbad. also that dying euro nonsense Roll Eyes - guess it just means forex

https://twitter.com/tradingview/status/1293963844394647558?s=20
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August 13, 2020, 06:43:54 PM
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You guys got the 12 word seed thing part wrong.

Short version:
12 words is like 128 bits (2048^12 = 2^132)
24 words is like 256 bits

Long version:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Seed_phrase
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6twuj1/are_12word_seeds_for_bitcoin_private_keys_secure/


That's total entropy where you have no information about the key, but we're starting from a position where we already know the fragments and just need the order - a grossly reduced search space.

Exactly. Knowing the 12 words but not the order implies only ~29 bits of entropy between an attacker and your key.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%3D+log2%2812%21%29
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August 13, 2020, 06:49:51 PM
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August 13, 2020, 06:53:53 PM

...

"Dirty" gold and "dirty" BTC share some interesting characteristics, they are somewhat less fungible than clean Au and BTC, reference and just started a thread:

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-gold-staying-clean

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268653.0

I contend that BTC is somewhat in danger of losing its fungibility, hope I'm wrong...


EDIT: The article suggests that applies more at wholesale levels (institutional investors, etc.)

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August 13, 2020, 06:55:55 PM

hah lol. and the thousand xmr bagholders in this very thread audibly gasp
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Not sure what it's like in other countries, but in America the few times I've had to go into a doctor's office or a hospital, this is exactly what the doctors and nurses look like now.

Do as I say, not as I do...
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August 13, 2020, 07:01:01 PM


If anyone else is ever sued by him, they would be justified in asking the court to take a deposit in advance against fees in case of default.

I find him slightly less appealing than an anal wart.


Big Whoop! He never had to pay. No way to enforce it. Worse case for Craig Wright is that he can't go to Sweden. Big Whoop!

If he loses the case in the USA the same thing, simply will not pay and not go to the USA and whine about such how he was screwed for the next decade!

Nothing will ever get resolved with CW, nothing but 'spin' it is not my fault and I am Satoshi till the day he dies, get used this, it is never going away. Sad

He will pay nothing he owes to any Court anyplace. He will simply move elsewhere to another country, most do not extradite on 'fiscal court rulings' like this.

He also will claim a win/win on the USA case no matter how it turns out in the following manner

(1) if he LOSES the case, he will not pay, but say it proves he is Satoshi because the court required him to pay! (wait for it)

and

(2) if he WINS he will say that he is still Satoshi, because the court could not prove he was not, it just proved the Klieman Estate had no rights to his

'supposed' Satoshi Hoard.

See, he can't lose, as long as he can 'befuddle' some people till the end of his life with his 'conspiracy theory that he is the victim...too many people are making too much

money the BSV sh*tcoin to ever let him be proven to NOT be Satoshi..add his ego and it is all a giant 'stall' tactic and flim/flam spin. Sad

 
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Not sure what it's like in other countries, but in America the few times I've had to go into a doctor's office or a hospital, this is exactly what the doctors and nurses look like now.

Do as I say, not as I do...

My cardiologist (in France) is obese. It makes me confortable in a way.
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August 13, 2020, 08:15:14 PM
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Just to give you a glimpse of a currently "crazy" world outside of orderly bitcoin, check out this "rant":
https://youtu.be/iHgDKdjNnpY?t=932

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You need to be using your brain irrationally!! The starting point of this market is that people want to do something with their assets.

Love the enthusiasm, but, boy, it is like 1998 in Internet stocks all over again.
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August 13, 2020, 08:48:10 PM

What he says there also applies to something like Tesla.

Well Tesla is a bit more concrete, but the valuation doesn't make sense.
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