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Cant they inject him with UV or something?

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October 03, 2020, 10:12:49 AM

Cant they inject him with UV or something?
Ipse dixit:
Quote from: Donald Trump
While noting the research should be treated with caution, Mr Trump suggested further research in that area.
"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.
"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.
"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
"So it'd be interesting to check that."
Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177
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October 03, 2020, 10:31:18 AM

Cant they inject him with UV or something?



He could be using laser therapy . I recall a few articles on it showing some benefit.
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October 03, 2020, 10:57:10 AM
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Godwin's law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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On the Bitmex drama, my thoughts.
Some bitcoin companies are like lab rats: they have been left alone to experiment things that one day will become part of the new FINancialTECHnology world. Take Bitmex: bringing futures to the next level right? or finex or any other. Then they come and tell you, hey boy, this is our territory, how do you dare?
And then they publicly admit that "Digital assets hold great promise for our derivatives market and for our economy". Yeah, right?

Thumbs up to 600watt, somac. for https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55302340#msg55302340

With CME, Bakkt and Grayscale, the US derivate market is becoming of "significant size", which was one of the main concerns of SEC. The other - manipulations of almost anonymous high leverage traders operating on Mex is now in the process of solving. This is not only CFTC and SEC concern but possibly the main "bart generator" for the last 2 years. So in any possible way, Mex news is good for Bitcoin. The 3% drop in the price is by no means to be compared with the benefits of manipulators being kicked out of the market.

It is quite possible that the CFTC statement "Digital assets hold great promise for our derivatives market and for our economy" is related to a possible ETF approval, as also suggested in this article:
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/a-big-positive-step-towards-the-bitcoin-etf-approval/

Although, IMO, institutions will find a way to get into Bitcoin without an ETF. We've seen however, that in the last months despite the huge purchases, the price didn't move as much as it should. The only logical explanation is of course the fraudulent shorting using Mex and other not well regulated exchanges. There is also a non logical explanation. As we are normal people here, carefuly thinking about every detail, we tend to forget that there are people who are not like us. Take for example Las Vegas - how many addicted people are in the casinos losing all the cash they bring in their pockets! The same is with the addicted daily traders, who can't be called manipulators, but like vicious brainless piranhas eat the price down until their stash is gone in an endless stop loss chase. The removal of Mex shorters will tip the balance against the piranhas and in favour of the natural growth. So I applaud the CFTC action and hopefully it will shut down Mex and put their owners and other money launderers in jail, where they belong!
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October 03, 2020, 11:11:05 AM
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Great post buddy, really interesting angle on it. I didn’t think like that myself until I read your post & fillippone’s similar post.
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According to Godwin himself it is okay to make appropriate Hitler comparisons and that it should not end the discussion.

So are you saying that the Hitler reference was correct or incorrect?

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October 03, 2020, 11:41:42 AM

https://hcpp.tv/
halfway through this program rn. Jacob Applebaum on Assange and more

looks like Elwar is due tomorrow morning for his 'bullish' reveal?



loads to learn from the workshops too https://www.paralelnipolis.cz/event/hcpp20/ - can buy online access
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October 03, 2020, 11:54:45 AM

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Great post buddy, really interesting angle on it. I didn’t think like that myself until I read your post & fillippone’s similar post.

Got you for 10
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October 03, 2020, 11:59:07 AM

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Great post buddy, really interesting angle on it. I didn’t think like that myself until I read your post & fillippone’s similar post.

Got you for 10

Yes my RL brother  Cool

Also, thanks fillippone  Wink
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Adam Back + Plan B = has doubled my bullish perspective on Bitcoin. Cool


https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1312341721062223873
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October 03, 2020, 02:10:01 PM

he he

Now, that planB scheme is being widely criticized as unrealistic or even unscientific, the crowd will tend to become much less wild in anticipation...and then btc would outperform.
If everybody are sitting counting their imaginary funds at $100K or above by Dec 2021, it would NOT do it.

I apologize... I never stop doing that...  I also spend time counting at $500k, and when I have had enough beer I throw in some 0.05 XMRBTC to add a golf course, or small airport to the island...

Mmmmm the counting with big BTC-price numbers ..... Sweet


Financial specialists racing to U.S dollar, as Gold, Bitcoin costs plunge


Gold prospects costs were down 0.60%, Bitcoin dropped 0.5% to exchange at $10,060 value level.

During President Lagarde's resulting question and answer session, she could regard ECB Chief business analyst Lane's swelling alerts and talk the Euro down.

All things considered, with Brexit in the news, it is trying to sort the Euro independently from the conversation. Subsequently the EURUSD is likely inclination some thump on pressure from the Pound slide as GBP is under a touch of strain in Asia in front of the resumption of Brexit exchanges when Barnier shows up in London today."


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In any case, more extensive notion on the U.S dollar stays frail after Federal Reserve Chair, Jerome Powell emphasized as of late that the national bank intends to keep U.S. loan costs lower for more.

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October 03, 2020, 02:58:44 PM

Cant they inject him with UV or something?
He could be using laser therapy . I recall a few articles on it showing some benefit.

Or, you know, they could just let his immune system do the work.

God forbid that anyone be allowed to let their own immune system overcome the effects of the virus. It's not like millions of people recovered that way. /big S
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Although, IMO, institutions will find a way to get into Bitcoin without an ETF. We've seen however, that in the last months despite the huge purchases, the price didn't move as much as it should. The only logical explanation is of course the fraudulent shorting using Mex and other not well regulated exchanges.

There's another consideration. If Wall Street whale traders do want a part of the trading action, then they want to control it. That means controlling a few on-off ramps (exchanges) where they can control the spread, and most importantly, control shorting and short coverage.

I.E., you need a large, concentrated number of available coins to short effectively, and they don't want all the available coins floating over to an exchange or exchanges that they don't have a close relationship with. Especially if that exchange were to allow naked-shorting and 100X leverage. At least in theory, they want all the available trading coins to migrate to exchanges that they can control. There's also the question of risk: they don't even want to have trading accounts on flaky exchanges that in an instant can just up and shut down, and disappear with all their money and coins and leave them with no legal recourse.

There is also a non logical explanation. As we are normal people here, carefuly thinking about every detail, we tend to forget that there are people who are not like us. Take for example Las Vegas - how many addicted people are in the casinos losing all the cash they bring in their pockets! The same is with the addicted daily traders, who can't be called manipulators, but like vicious brainless piranhas eat the price down until their stash is gone in an endless stop loss chase. The removal of Mex shorters will tip the balance against the piranhas and in favour of the natural growth. So I applaud the CFTC action and hopefully it will shut down Mex and put their owners and other money launderers in jail, where they belong!

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October 03, 2020, 03:13:33 PM

Cant they inject him with UV or something?
He could be using laser therapy . I recall a few articles on it showing some benefit.

Or, you know, they could just let his immune system do the work.

God forbid that anyone be allowed to let their own immune system overcome the effects of the virus. It's not like millions of people recovered that way. /big S

Guess this didn't work.

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Trump says he takes hydroxychloroquine to prevent coronavirus infection even though it’s an unproven treatment

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html


He should lead by example and inject bleach.
What a pussy.
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October 03, 2020, 03:19:03 PM


According to Godwin himself it is okay to make appropriate Hitler comparisons and that it should not end the discussion.

So are you saying that the Hitler reference was correct or incorrect?

The only one whom I seemed to be comparing to Hitler was myself.  You know—the Jewish Chinese Nazi, who is just running a Sun Tzu psy-op to keep marcus confused.  Zing.

What with this being the Internet, I had thought to explain pre-emptively that Godwin’s Law does not mechanistically apply to all historical comparisons or analogies involving Hitler.  Then, I decided that it would be a waste of words:  Surely, people would be more intelligent than that...  Welcome to the Internet.

No, I was not comparing Hitler and the SA to nutildah, Antifa, or anybody whom I dislike.  If that is what you read into it, then that’s on you.

To waste time and text explaining the obvious:  My point was that if, hypothetically, somebody were to use the Sturmabteilung name and symbol, then yes, that obviously would have some relevance to Adolf Hitler.  Neither nutildah nor anybody else would claim that it has nothing to do with Hitler, on the absurd grounds that:

The original NSDAP, including the SA, has been defunct since 1945; and “not many people... identify themselves as [National-Socialists] anymore”.
...the original Antifa... have technically been defunct since 1933... Not many people in the US or anywhere for that matter identify themselves as communists anymore, or even socialists.

Got it now?  Or do I need to write ten more pages explaining an argument that was intended to be concise?



As a relatively minor point that I should mention because it’s quoted above, nutildah’s statement that the original Antifa has been “defunct since 1933” is factually incorrect.  (And that was not the only thing wrong with his post...)  The Antifas functioned as underground/illegal from 1933–45, including amongst Communists imprisoned in labour camps, then lost momentum and faded away in the postwar era of the DDR.  Overt Communists gravitated toward the East, of course; and there is not much room for a street-level gang of Communist thugs in a country openly ruled by a government gang of Communist thugs!



By the way, does anyone here have New York Times paywall access?  If so, here are some links that I bookmarked once upon a time, when this stuff was not paywalled.  It was careless of me not to save local copies.
https://www.nytimes.com/1959/03/08/archives/now-castro-faces-the-harder-fight-his-revolution-against-batista.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1959/04/19/archives/castro-hails-newsmen-gives-medals-to-americans-who-interviewed-him.html

It is not about Antifa, but rather, an exemplar of the whitewash of Communists.  (I thought to mention that before, but decided instead to reach back to Walter Duranty.)  But a more accurate metaphor would be the Fair Play for Cuba Committees.

In 1959, nutildah would have jeered at me and traduced my intelligence for my claim that Fidel Castro is a Communist.  That was a wild accusation only believed by “right-wing extremists” with a “conspiratorial theory of history”, who “see a Red under every bed”!  (Until Castro himself came out and proudly announced that he had always been a Communist.)

Now, it is just too bizarre for nutildah to claim that an organization which today overtly uses a Communist name, a Communist symbol, substantively Communist ideology, and Communist tactics, with the same old Communist purpose of inciting riots and cancelling free speech with their fists (as Antifa’s predecessor KDP/SDP gangs did throughout the 1920s—to anybody who didn’t have an SA), has nothing to do with Communism.



Sure is a long-winded, roundabout way of admitting that you don't have the slightest fucking clue of what you're talking about.

No, that is a terse way of brushing you off as you deserve.  Though I should thank you for demonstrating the level of your dishonesty:

  • If I spend my time and effort writing a cogent exposition of my thesis, you insult it as too long; and you proudly profess not to read it.  E.g.:

    I'm ignoring you in general because you take too many words to say too little.
  • If I mostly ignore your nonsense, and concisely dismiss it with four sentences plus one graphic (“long-winded”?) to make a baseline demonstration that it is nonsense, then you accuse me of “[not having] the slightest fucking clue what [I’m] talking about”.  And with a hypocrisy that would be astounding if it were not typical of a certain type, you thereby dodge my point—with a substance-free statement that is somehow simultaneously advanced from a position of conceited ignorance, and loaded with sneering derision.  Per your usual standard.

I am not inclined to engage you in an extended discourse on history and political theory, for the same reason that I have never delivered a lecture on geophysics to Flat Earthers.  But since you are so transparently using propaganda shill tactics that should make hv_ envious of your twistiness, I must ask:  Why are you deadset determined to whitewash Antifa?

It’s odd that an historical observation I tossed off-the-cuff, just because I was examining it again whilst working on something else (as I noted) and I thought it would be of interest to others here, has attracted such opprobrium from someone who claims to be “ignoring [me] in general”.  #triggered
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According to Godwin himself it is okay to make appropriate Hitler comparisons and that it should not end the discussion.

So are you saying that the Hitler reference was correct or incorrect?


Neither.  Godwin was probably only semi-serious, but he stated that if any thread argument went on long enough the probability that Hitler would get mentioned was close to 1.  I know he's since clarified it shouldn't necessarily end an argument.

I was actually suggesting to nutildah that arguing with nullius was relatively pointless. 
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Good morning Bitcoinland.

Leveled out after the dip a couple of days ago... currently $10563USD/$14060CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Time to move up. Go Bitcoin go.


I think Godwin's Law should be updated to include "communist" along with the Nazis.

Its use is a sure sign a conversation is deteriorating.

"Terrorist" also comes close.
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October 03, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
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I think Godwin's Law should be updated to include "communist" along with the Nazis.

Its use is a sure sign a conversation is deteriorating.

Well, what am I supposed to call it when somebody claims that an organization which today overtly uses a Communist name, a Communist symbol, substantively Communist ideology, and Communist tactics, with the same old Communist purpose, has nothing to do with Communism?

The point of my Hitler/SA thought experiment was to demonstrate that nutildah’s argument would meet unanimous scorn (plus, I might add, accusations of covert sympathies), if it were applied to people who were overtly labelling themselves with NSDAP symbolism.



Godwin was probably only semi-serious, but he stated that if any thread argument went on long enough the probability that Hitler would get mentioned was close to 1.

In the overall context of discussing a self-styled “Antifascist” organization founded in Germany in 1932, any mention whatsoever of Hitler must be nothing more than the convergence of random probabilities involving unintelligent hotheads arguing on the Internet.

Sure, that makes sense.



I must surely not be the first to propose Meta-Godwin’s Law:  On the Internet, any mention whatsoever of Hitler will trigger a blind invocation of Godwin’s Law—whether or not the mention of Hitler is reasonable—and whether or not the person mentioning Hitler is comparing his opponent to Hitler, which is actually what Godwin was talking about.

https://www.wired.com/1994/10/godwin-if-2/
Quote from: Mike Godwin (1994)
The Nazi-comparison meme, I'd decided, had gotten out of hand - in countless Usenet newsgroups, in many conferences on the Well, and on every BBS that I frequented, the labeling of posters or their ideas as "similar to the Nazis" or "Hitler-like" was a recurrent and often predictable event. It was the kind of thing that made you wonder how debates had ever occurred without having that handy rhetorical hammer.

[...]

I developed Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

I seeded Godwin's Law in any newsgroup or topic where I saw a gratuitous Nazi reference.

Only the braindead, who jerk their knees by reflex, could have imagined that I was comparing nutildah or Antifa to Nazis.  They are Communists!

I know he's since clarified it shouldn't necessarily end an argument.
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Today is going to be a crazy day.

https://twitter.com/BXRekt/status/1312435824726745088
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