Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware

[chsados]

Soo...still no word on any verification if refund requests went through properly...?

[wrenchmonkey]

Hmmm, no email for me. I wonder if this is retaliation for being vocally critical of Steamboat's mishandling of this situation... Surely not...  

And now we start waiting another week+ for the next update from the 'Cleveland Steamer'...

[hoss]

Honestly we seriously need a confirmation for refunds.   If by chance I gets some story about 'I did not receive your refund request' or 'you signature was invalid' and you have been moved to the back of the refund line, aka sorry you get chips - then I become the big ass black dude here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1CBHebCeo

Think about it, without a confirmation or public list, any member can claim they requested refund at anytime even if they didn't. This leaves steamboat open to any accusations from anyone here at anytime, and we as a group can not confirm support for steamboat or the claimant.   Its plain stupidity and/or laziness either way you think about it.  This can only result in serious group drama at the end - and the end is coming soon.

Steamboat - get on this and get on this fast - IMO.

PS - yes I know its a lot of work to make sure everyone gets confirmed, but its better than the alternative.

[andrewsg]

Honestly we seriously need a confirmation for refunds.   If by chance I gets some story about 'I did not receive your refund request' or 'you signature was invalid' and you have been moved to the back of the refund line, aka sorry you get chips - then I become the big ass black dude here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1CBHebCeo

I'll bring the pliers, you bring the blowtorch.

[Rakessh]

Steamboat needs to double up the Bulk regs too (like the HEX16) so we can overclock the shit out of the Fusion16 as well. It's a lot wiser than loading only 8 chips per board (the 8 vs 16 chip issue is in software anyway, not hardware). I asked about the amps of this board already many weeks ago, should've done somehting then to have a backup plan like that (because chips were already starting to be late)

That said, hindsight of course, is always 20/20

[eroxors]

Steamboat needs to double up the Bulk regs too (like the HEX16) so we can overclock the shit out of the Fusion16 as well. It's a lot wiser than loading only 8 chips per board (the 8 vs 16 chip issue is in software anyway, not hardware). I asked about the amps of this board already many weeks ago, should've done somehting then to have a backup plan like that (because chips were already starting to be late)

That said, hindsight of course, is always 20/20

Shouldn't the 8-chip board be able to overclock very well because they have the power supply of a full K16?

[ionstorm]

From what I have seen so far, marto74 is the ONLY one that has a working K16 with all 16 chips. On top of that it seems that he managed to get 450MHz per chip totalling 7.2 GH/s per K16.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3026801#msg3026801

if this is true I think we need to make changes to our design to what he did and possibly give him part of the profits of this whole groupbuy so we can get our chips hashing, 7.2GH/s per K16 is acceptable to me

[Rakessh]

Well, I'd like a bloody link to the refund info/procedure mentioned everywhere in this thread the past days.

And I still don't fully understand what the options are as they so far seem intertwined.

[bitcoiner49er]

Well, I'd like a bloody link to the refund info/procedure mentioned everywhere in this thread the past days.

And I still don't fully understand what the options are as they so far seem intertwined.

Ask Steamboat for it. 

[Rakessh]

There's a lot of helpful folks in the thread. Unfortunately, I will only accept a refund form link sent to me from a known Steamboat e-mail adress (one that *I* know) with a signed confirmation message or a link signed with one of Steamboats batch wallets.

Security, Security, Security. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me. Ok? ;-)

A form hosted on Steamboats server with SSL would probably suffice too, but I'm not about to start trusting some form on google just because

[cp1]

An overclock design (v2) is a good idea.  Just need the room on the board and reroute the power.  I think the boards are already made up, though.

[bigbeninlondon]

There's a lot of helpful folks in the thread. Unfortunately, I will only accept a refund form link sent to me from a known Steamboat e-mail adress (one that *I* know) with a signed confirmation message or a link signed with one of Steamboats batch wallets.

Security, Security, Security. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me. Ok? ;-)

A form hosted on Steamboats server with SSL would probably suffice too, but I'm not about to start trusting some form on google just because

This is the link I received in my email, it seems to be the same as the one Rakessh posted

[url redacted]

Probably won't help to post this URL here.  In fact, could invite spammers, trollers and fraudsters.  Please redact the url.

[bigbeninlondon]

Well, I'd like a bloody link to the refund info/procedure mentioned everywhere in this thread the past days.

And I still don't fully understand what the options are as they so far seem intertwined.

[url redacted]

You too: posting this thread publicly could make it more difficult for steamboat.  Please remove it.

[Stringchains]

There's a lot of helpful folks in the thread. Unfortunately, I will only accept a refund form link sent to me from a known Steamboat e-mail adress (one that *I* know) with a signed confirmation message or a link signed with one of Steamboats batch wallets.

Security, Security, Security. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me. Ok? ;-)

A form hosted on Steamboats server with SSL would probably suffice too, but I'm not about to start trusting some form on google just because

This is the link I received in my email, it seems to be the same as the one Rakessh posted

[url redacted]

Probably won't help to post this URL here.  In fact, could invite spammers, trollers and fraudsters.  Please redact the url.

Removed. Thanks completely didnt realize about that forgot haha  

[Rakessh]

There's a lot of helpful folks in the thread. Unfortunately, I will only accept a refund form link sent to me from a known Steamboat e-mail adress (one that *I* know) with a signed confirmation message or a link signed with one of Steamboats batch wallets.

Security, Security, Security. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me. Ok? ;-)

A form hosted on Steamboats server with SSL would probably suffice too, but I'm not about to start trusting some form on google just because

This is the link I received in my email, it seems to be the same as the one Rakessh posted

[url redacted]

Probably won't help to post this URL here.  In fact, could invite spammers, trollers and fraudsters.  Please redact the url.

Oh I fucking hope I didn't post any links myself nor quoted any links, that'd just be epic retardedness on my part seeing I'm also shouting security security security

[Stringchains]

There's a lot of helpful folks in the thread. Unfortunately, I will only accept a refund form link sent to me from a known Steamboat e-mail adress (one that *I* know) with a signed confirmation message or a link signed with one of Steamboats batch wallets.

Security, Security, Security. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me. Ok? ;-)

A form hosted on Steamboats server with SSL would probably suffice too, but I'm not about to start trusting some form on google just because

This is the link I received in my email, it seems to be the same as the one Rakessh posted

[url redacted]

Probably won't help to post this URL here.  In fact, could invite spammers, trollers and fraudsters.  Please redact the url.

Oh I fucking hope I didn't post any links myself nor quoted any links, that'd just be epic retardedness on my part seeing I'm also shouting security security security

haha woops, meant to say the one bitcoiner49er posted is same as I got sent to my email, sorry ; )

[bitcoiner49er]

You have to sign the form with your wallet. If you are worried about that, you have bigger problems. That link won't change any of that unless it gets spammed. SB can verify everyone's signature with their payment address. That is why it is taking some time to process all this.

[thx1164]

It's unsettling to think the 'crowd sourced' funds for this massive project somehow are to be consumed for the good of the project with nothing to show for us.  We didn't pay an assembly set up fee, we paid an assembly fee.  It's a bizarre business model to take customer funds to prepare for a production run that doesn't mature, then tell customers China can't supply the last part so they're out of luck.  Granted, nonrefundable setup fees are typical with many products--but they're separate fees and the customer commits knowingly.  Meanwhile, the business has what we're led to believe is a nearly complete production line for future customers.  We are now invested in the production line that future customers will pay for a product with lower setup costs (since we already paid for the setup costs).  That could mean more profit for steamboat on future products.

Steamboat made decisions for his business without consulting those who funded his coffers.  If consulted, who knows what we may have decided.  I would have said don't spend our funds preparing for assembly, I'll risk longer assembly time and secure a 100% assembly refund if the deal goes south.  Instead steamboat spent our funds, hoping for the best, which typically is a business expenditure/risk.

First of all, assembly setup is PART of assembly. Would you rather the chips came in and then waited for parts to be purchased and gathered? You didn't realize when you signed up for SB's group buy that he was prepping and assembling everything to be able to basically just put in chips and then test the miners once assembly was finished? Did you not read the part where SB said he paid OVER retail PLUS expedited shipping costs to have everything ready when chips arrived? That's specifically why I chose this group buy, SB promised to have a short time between chip receipt and full miner in hand. This is a risk I PERSONALLY KNEW I WAS TAKING WHEN I SIGNED UP. You should have read a little closer, and you would have realized this as well.


Also, what part of ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS did you people not understand when signing up for this? Sure it's the right thing for him to do morally, but he is under NO obligation to refund even as much as he is. He explained the costs and why refunds cannot be 100% and I completely accept his explanation. I'd even wouldn't mind it if SB decided to take a bit just for his effort, which has been substantial. People got paid for doing work with your assembly money, get over it. If you couldn't afford to lose 100% of the money, you should have never risked it. Investing 101.

[cardcomm]

Well, I'd like a bloody link to the refund info/procedure mentioned everywhere in this thread the past days.

And I still don't fully understand what the options are as they so far seem intertwined.

Ask Steamboat for it.  

I wasn't on the email list either. After a couple of requests, the way I finally got added was to send SB an email signed with my purchase address asking to be added.

Speaking of signing messages - it would sure be nice if there was some way to ensure our refund request has been accepted, especially since it's known there have been issues. And yes, I know this has already been brought up, but the question remains.

[ionstorm]

Batch 1 & 2 chips should be shipped within 12 hours, our group buy is right before these two orders, so ours should be shipped before SebastianJu's

zefir received an update advising that the remaining batches will be shipped within the next 12 hours

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3132181#msg3132181

Same in SebastianJu GB

I got an email from avalon with this message: Please pay attention, your order will be sent in 12 hours.
12小时以后发货

prepare for imminent update from Steamboat

edit: I *hope* Steamboat has a plan on getting these hashing and shipped out asap