Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware

[silicont]

First of all, assembly setup is PART of assembly. Would you rather the chips came in and then waited for parts to be purchased and gathered? You didn't realize when you signed up for SB's group buy that he was prepping and assembling everything to be able to basically just put in chips and then test the miners once assembly was finished? Did you not read the part where SB said he paid OVER retail PLUS expedited shipping costs to have everything ready when chips arrived? That's specifically why I chose this group buy, SB promised to have a short time between chip receipt and full miner in hand. This is a risk I PERSONALLY KNEW I WAS TAKING WHEN I SIGNED UP. You should have read a little closer, and you would have realized this as well.

Also, what part of ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS did you people not understand when signing up for this? Sure it's the right thing for him to do morally, but he is under NO obligation to refund even as much as he is. He explained the costs and why refunds cannot be 100% and I completely accept his explanation. I'd even wouldn't mind it if SB decided to take a bit just for his effort, which has been substantial. People got paid for doing work with your assembly money, get over it. If you couldn't afford to lose 100% of the money, you should have never risked it. Investing 101.

I read every word published, understood the risk, am glad to get any refund (although not entitled to it) because I was prepared for the 100% loss of my btc, and am over it.  The chips didn't come in, the K16 doesn't work, and there's a fully prepped assembly line ready to do nothing.  We're all let down, not least of which is the organizer.  I imagine SB would do things differently next time.  I was pining how this mining scheme is a unique business that people are glad to foot the initial start up costs for someone else's business, even with the threat of complete failure and no refunds.  Few think BFL was right in doing the same thing, and the chorus of 'never presales ever again' grows from customers and providers.

[d0qtrx]

Steambizzle...

Thank you immensely for all the work and frustration and suffering you have had to go through in organizing this group buy.

If I got the miner today it would only be churning out like $3 a day, with that number dropping by ~20% every couple weeks. At this point, I believe the most prudent thing to do is accept a chip refund as long as they are being offered, as the chips I ordered are rapidly approaching uselessness at this point. So that is what I have done.

However-- I am definitely interested in the fabled 55nm gen-2 chip-- and hopefully you will be offering assembly of miners using the new technology, so I am staying invested in my assembly/shipping in the hopes that at least a portion it can be used toward assembly and shipment of a generation 2 product in the (hopefully near) future.


I know you and your team busted your asses to have everything ready to go, expecting the possibility of having 30-40k chips show up at your door only to be left dangling in the breeze when *nothing* showed up, meanwhile bills still have to be paid, people still have to be paid, and development is ongoing on the board design. I get that most of the monies you collected for assembly and shipment have already been invested into the infrastructure to make this all happen to begin with, and the possibility of 100% refunds just isn't there. I understand this, it was a risk I accepted going in.

While a lot of us feel pretty royally screwed-- you were the one who took the worst of it, and I believe you have done everything you can to make all your group buyers whole again in this whole debacle, and I really hope we can actually see some hashpower rolling off your assembly line soon

[RinaMar]

my refund request was rejected.

Good evening,

You have recently requested a refund for an order you have placed for Avalon ASIC chips. Unfortunately, verification of your request has failed. In order to process the refund request, a message signed using the original sending address used in the transaction is required. Please submit the message "I am hereby requesting refund of payment for my purchase of Avalon ASIC chips from forum member Steamboat" without quotes using the following format:

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I sent BTC from coinbase directly. I do not see any kind of option to sign message

anybody have any ideas?

[torzsy]

Can anyone tell me please where do I find a recently updated post about Steamboat chips orders? Batch 1-6 order/payment/shipping infos. There was a thread but I dont find the email about it.

Thanks!

[bigbeninlondon]

my refund request was rejected.

Good evening,

You have recently requested a refund for an order you have placed for Avalon ASIC chips. Unfortunately, verification of your request has failed. In order to process the refund request, a message signed using the original sending address used in the transaction is required. Please submit the message "I am hereby requesting refund of payment for my purchase of Avalon ASIC chips from forum member Steamboat" without quotes using the following format:

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I sent BTC from coinbase directly. I do not see any kind of option to sign message

anybody have any ideas?

Always a bad idea to send payment from online wallets that don't let you control the keys.  I don't think coinbase supports message signing.  You can maybe contact them?

[bigbeninlondon]

Can anyone tell me please where do I find a recently updated post about Steamboat chips orders? Batch 1-6 order/payment/shipping infos. There was a thread but I dont find the email about it.

Thanks!

Link in original post (OP).  Go to page 1 of this thread, and the first post has a bit that says "Sept 11 update" with a link.

[torzsy]

Can anyone tell me please where do I find a recently updated post about Steamboat chips orders? Batch 1-6 order/payment/shipping infos. There was a thread but I dont find the email about it.

Thanks!

Link in original post (OP).  Go to page 1 of this thread, and the first post has a bit that says "Sept 11 update" with a link.

Thank you Big!

[RinaMar]

my refund request was rejected.

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Good evening,

You have recently requested a refund for an order you have placed for Avalon ASIC chips. Unfortunately, verification of your request has failed. In order to process the refund request, a message signed using the original sending address used in the transaction is required. Please submit the message "I am hereby requesting refund of payment for my purchase of Avalon ASIC chips from forum member Steamboat" without quotes using the following format:

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I sent BTC from coinbase directly. I do not see any kind of option to sign message Sad

anybody have any ideas?

Always a bad idea to send payment from online wallets that don't let you control the keys.  I don't think coinbase supports message signing.  You can maybe contact them?

everything i have seen confirms that they don't support message signing. I sent an email to steamboat so we will see how this goes. up until now i have not been unhappy with the whole process.  investing in mining is a risk. I knew of the possibility that this wouldn't turn out but gave it a try anyway. I think that it is fortunate that we are able to get a refund for our chips.

 hopefully there will be another way to verify my refund request.

[driksson]

my order, based on three transactions, fully signed from my desktop wallet also got rejected.. thanks.. job well done.
still seeing zero "thanks for refund" messages.

[nightengale]

I'm guessing you got an email that said it was rejected?

(hoping I don't get one)

[cpengr]

my refund request was rejected.

Good evening,

You have recently requested a refund for an order you have placed for Avalon ASIC chips. Unfortunately, verification of your request has failed. In order to process the refund request, a message signed using the original sending address used in the transaction is required. Please submit the message "I am hereby requesting refund of payment for my purchase of Avalon ASIC chips from forum member Steamboat" without quotes using the following format:

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I sent BTC from coinbase directly. I do not see any kind of option to sign message

anybody have any ideas?

I know there is a lot to read here, but I'm sorry to say you didn't follow the instructions in the OP:

*Note* Do not send funds from an address you do not control. You will be required to prove ownership of the sending address upon request.

If there is any recourse for you, I think it will have to be steamboat making a special exception. Good luck.

[wrenchmonkey]

I got a refund rejected message today. Better than NO message though, so maybe this is progress? Refund request resubmitted... I guess we'll maybe hear back from 'Steamer in another week or two? 

[trigeek]

my refund request was rejected.

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Good evening,

You have recently requested a refund for an order you have placed for Avalon ASIC chips. Unfortunately, verification of your request has failed. In order to process the refund request, a message signed using the original sending address used in the transaction is required. Please submit the message "I am hereby requesting refund of payment for my purchase of Avalon ASIC chips from forum member Steamboat" without quotes using the following format:

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I sent BTC from coinbase directly. I do not see any kind of option to sign message Sad

anybody have any ideas?

Always a bad idea to send payment from online wallets that don't let you control the keys.  I don't think coinbase supports message signing.  You can maybe contact them?

everything i have seen confirms that they don't support message signing. I sent an email to steamboat so we will see how this goes. up until now i have not been unhappy with the whole process.  investing in mining is a risk. I knew of the possibility that this wouldn't turn out but gave it a try anyway. I think that it is fortunate that we are able to get a refund for our chips.

 hopefully there will be another way to verify my refund request.

I contacted the coinbase dev team a couple months back about adding message signing, and it's on their radar.  No idea whether they are even working on it though.   The point of signing a message is to prove that you control that sending address.  One other way around this would be for you to send steamboat a very very small amount of BTC in a specific number (like 0.00012345 btc) to prove that you own that address. Steamboat would have to authorize this in advance though.

[Lollaskates]

Assuming because I did not get a refund rejected email message, it was accepted.


I hope.

[Rakessh]

You have to sign the form with your wallet. If you are worried about that, you have bigger problems. That link won't change any of that unless it gets spammed. SB can verify everyone's signature with their payment address. That is why it is taking some time to process all this.

And what about us poor idiots (who care about security) who didn't get sent a form or link to form from official channels, or signed message?

Is this refund option only available tho those who are willing to infract their own security?

[driksson]

You have to sign the form with your wallet. If you are worried about that, you have bigger problems. That link won't change any of that unless it gets spammed. SB can verify everyone's signature with their payment address. That is why it is taking some time to process all this.

And what about us poor idiots (who care about security) who didn't get sent a form or link to form from official channels, or signed message?

Is this refund option only available tho those who are willing to infract their own security?

should be in your inbox, from his email. (check spam).

[drdops]

I need some help trying to send a signed message to steamboat?
Im using electrum as a wallet-  a seedless wallet version ( it can receive bitcoin but not send). To send i need to go to an offline pc that i have and import raw data etc..
How do I send a signed message from my original sending address to steamboat?
I have right clicked on the address and select 'sign message' then filled in message details- what do i put in the signature section?
When I hit sign I get- 'NoneType' object has no attribute'_getitem_'

Thanks

[rammy2k2]

what if i dont want a refund ? does anyone know when ill receive my boards ? steamboat got the chips ?

[bigtimespaghetti]

what if i dont want a refund ? does anyone know when ill receive my boards ? steamboat got the chips ?

SB wrote nobody will be forced to take a refund, though this leaves some other questions. So I guess miners will be shipped eventually when the ephemeral chips arrive.

[eroxors]

what if i dont want a refund ? does anyone know when ill receive my boards ? steamboat got the chips ?

Best guess, it will be about a week for 2 batches to arrive. I think it took 10ish days for the sample chips to arrive and we're before SebastianJU's group buy which *supposedly* shipped on Wed.