[DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated

[Bittzy78]

The admin of CEX.IO has replied to me via email and said they will add DVC/BTC trading when enough people have requested it.

To get DVC/BTC trading on CEX.IO (which is an exchange which has pretty high volume) please complete the following steps:

1.) register for http://cex.io

2.) Go to this link https://support.cex.io/entries/28554767-Convert-NMC-IXC-DVC-to-BTC

3.) Click vote for this feature

4.) You can also submit a support ticket requesting they add DVC/BTC trading asap!

Done!

Great work everyone

Anyone else who is reading this and wants to get DVC/BTC trading on a very, very large exchange (CEX.IO) please complete the above steps! Takes ~2 minutes.

I just dropped them a suggestion to allow DVC to buy GHS.

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[Bittzy78]

Devcoin Press Release is out: http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/devcoin-dvc-experiences-value-increase-of-over-300-in-two-weeks-the-ethical-merge-mined-bitcoin-alternative/

It'll be on Wall Street Journal, Yahoo Finance etc shortly!

I want Psybits, who is the devcoin advertising admin, to run a big devcoin ad campaign. It would start with six shares directly run by Psybits, plus the authority to hand out up to six shares of awards to people who advertise devcoin independently. For the campaign run directly by Psybits, there would have to be a post or page with a receipt for the most expensive part of the campaign, it doesn't have to be a full cost breakdown. If this goes well, the next round this would be doubled to 12 shares for the campaign and bounties. In the long run the total would further increase as the marketing shares increase, last round they were around 26:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg3546083;topicseen#msg3546083

Any objections, or should something be changed?

I second this.

I agree too - it would be a pleasure The more we can get the word out about Devcoin the better.

EDIT: 12 shares from the start would mean I have more resources to devote to the advertising campaigns. I suppose I am a little biased, but this is my humble suggestion.

Is there a page that shows what adverts have already been started? I might be able to come up with some ideas.

Bittzy78

[jdbtracker]

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Um, that article doesn't seem to offer people any way to invest in your plan, nor indicate in what way it is a business (who are the customers of the business, how do they buy the service or product).
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Back to the "business plan", I now see Unthinkingbit approved it. Unthinkingbit, could you explain a little more what you mean by "a business", inasmuch as I don't see any customers in Smeagol's plan, it looks to me more like a how to play the markets guide or something along those lines.

The investment plan bounty is pretty open:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#investment_business_plan

The purpose of it is to find some way of making money. It could be a plan or idea, later someone could make a publicly traded business out of it, or people could make money from a trading strategy. I expect most plans and ideas to go nowhere, there are 10 awards so that hopefully one of them will make lots of money. The requirement is basically that it must make sense, and be at least 500 words, so that people can grasp it. Also, although I didn't mention it in the bounty, charts and graphs help.

It's up to Smeagol to award the bounties for everyone else's plan. I handled the award for Smeagol because no one can award a bounty to themselves. When I made the bounty I assumed that everyone would have one plan per article, but having multiple ideas is ok. For Smeagol's plan, his ideas make sense, the article is well over 500 words, and he has good images:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=altcoin_day_trading_investment_plan

so I awarded him the bounty.

In deed, the more ideas we have the more likely we are to pick the correct ones. what if we just had a continuous bounty for ideas on an ongoing basis... like a monthly idea bounty?

[weisoq]

I've also posted a business/investment plan on Devtome re. http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#investment_business_plan

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=development_exchange

Feel free to rip into and criticise it.

[markm]

Ok I couldn't find any direct calls in the API to do just this, nor a bot, so I wrote one with the support of a wrapper I modified from github (link in file).

https://github.com/hunterbunter/vircurex-python-shotgunbot

I've tested it and it seems to be behaving as intended, except I don't have the cryptofunds on hand at the moment to put it through it's pacing on 100+ orders (they're tied up testing my volatility bot). Each order has to to have a minimum btc volume of 0.0001 btc, so while I know my bot can handle it, I'm still not sure if Vircurex is going to complain. If anyone can test it out, that'd be great, otherwise I'll wait a few days for my testing run to finish and move some funds over to test.

I tried it, trying to spread 1000 I0Coins across 4401 satoshis through 4500 satoshis, but...

The API does have a limit of 100 open orders, it seems. I already have many hundred so the script was unable to place even a single order.

So to do this is going to require either doing it in the browser with some kind of browser-automation toolkit or plug-in, or waiting for VIrcurex to add it to the site itself (or to get rid of the limit on open orders in the API).

A couple of things I noticed:

- You spelt Satoshi(s) wrong.

- It claimed the 100 orders limit caused the order to fail to release, so I looked on the website in case that meant it had managed to queue them up waiting for release, figuring if so I could release them manually in the website. But they were not sitting there un-released waiting for me to release them. So maybe saying the order failed to release due to the 100 limit is not really quite right, since it seems to have failed to queue it up waiting for release not merely failed to release it?

- It was trying to place orders for slightly less than ten, so it was somehow failing to divide 1000 by 100 and arrive at 10, instead it was 9.99999990 .

-MarkM-

[Hunterbunter]

Ok I couldn't find any direct calls in the API to do just this, nor a bot, so I wrote one with the support of a wrapper I modified from github (link in file).

https://github.com/hunterbunter/vircurex-python-shotgunbot

I've tested it and it seems to be behaving as intended, except I don't have the cryptofunds on hand at the moment to put it through it's pacing on 100+ orders (they're tied up testing my volatility bot). Each order has to to have a minimum btc volume of 0.0001 btc, so while I know my bot can handle it, I'm still not sure if Vircurex is going to complain. If anyone can test it out, that'd be great, otherwise I'll wait a few days for my testing run to finish and move some funds over to test.

I tried it, trying to spread 1000 I0Coins across 4401 satoshis through 4500 satoshis, but...

The API does have a limit of 100 open orders, it seems. I already have many hundred so the script was unable to place even a single order.

So to do this is going to require either doing it in the browser with some kind of browser-automation toolkit or plug-in, or waiting for VIrcurex to add it to the site itself (or to get rid of the limit on open orders in the API).

A couple of things I noticed:

- You spelt Satoshi(s) wrong.

- It claimed the 100 orders limit caused the order to fail to release, so I looked on the website in case that meant it had managed to queue them up waiting for release, figuring if so I could release them manually in the website. But they were not sitting there un-released waiting for me to release them. So maybe saying the order failed to release due to the 100 limit is not really quite right, since it seems to have failed to queue it up waiting for release not merely failed to release it?

- It was trying to place orders for slightly less than ten, so it was somehow failing to divide 1000 by 100 and arrive at 10, instead it was 9.99999990 .

-MarkM-

Thanks for the feedback. All this time I thought it was actually SaNtoshi. TIL it's not...fixed that.

The rounding error: That may have been my fault - I had a floating point rounding error that was causing a bug so I multiplied by 100,000,001 at some point, but that caused what you saw. I've changed the way I did it a little so it shouldn't happen now; if it does let me know. I also changed the feedback - you should have been getting a "order failed to open" error, not a release error, so I changed that to be more distinctive (it'll still show "order failed to release" if it was opened but couldn't be released).

The strangest thing, is that I just tested it with some shrapnel, and it actually let me put up more than 100 orders:
100 dvc @ 50001-50200, released 200 orders @ 0.5 dvc each
100 dvc @ 60001-60200, released 200 orders @ 0.5 dvc each
1000 i0c @ 4401 - 4500, released 100 orders @ 10 i0c each

EDIT: Then I placed another order and it came up with the "maximum orders reached" halfway through:
0.0267 btc and 300 dvc @ 1-200, released 53 btc orders correctly, then failed the rest (the dvc was probably going to fail anyway due to being too low volume, but still came up with max orders error)

git is updated with the new files.

I don't know what to make of it

[markm]

Probably he raised the limit higher than 100 but forgot to change the error message saying more than 100.

I have many hundreds, he might have raised the limit to 500 or 1000 and I'd still already be over it...

-MarkM-

[eeh]

Do we all need to upgrade to this new client?

I see Round 30 has begun but no payouts yet.

[Hunterbunter]

The strangest thing, is that I just tested it with some shrapnel, and it actually let me put up more than 100 orders:
100 dvc @ 50001-50200, released 200 orders @ 0.5 dvc each
100 dvc @ 60001-60200, released 200 orders @ 0.5 dvc each
1000 i0c @ 4401 - 4500, released 100 orders @ 10 i0c each

EDIT: Then I placed another order and it came up with the "maximum orders reached" halfway through:
0.0267 btc and 300 dvc @ 1-200, released 53 btc orders correctly, then failed the rest (the dvc was probably going to fail anyway due to being too low volume, but still came up with max orders error)

git is updated with the new files.

I don't know what to make of it

Probably he raised the limit higher than 100 but forgot to change the error message saying more than 100.

I have many hundreds, he might have raised the limit to 500 or 1000 and I'd still already be over it...

-MarkM-

Ok so I've discovered something a bit...weird.

If you delete all open orders on the website, then don't refresh it again, you can put as many orders as you like with the bot. It seems to only activate the 100 order limit thing when you refresh the orders page...

I've just put through 1000 orders, then another 100 without refreshing...waited 10 minutes and put another 350 i0c orders in, still haven't refreshed and it's still letting me put orders.

EDIT: argh no at some random point it stopped letting me add more. I wonder if someone is manually doing it...or a timed script. I'm writing to their customer support to see if we can get around it somehow.

[smeagol]

Ok I couldn't find any direct calls in the API to do just this, nor a bot, so I wrote one with the support of a wrapper I modified from github (link in file).

https://github.com/hunterbunter/vircurex-python-shotgunbot

Once this has been tested, and there are no objections, you will receive your bounty (24 shares)

I suggest a bounty of 3 shares then 2 shares for a testing report on this bot, any objections?

Hi, I guess I'd like to collect a bounty for the DVC/USD price chart.
dvcticker.info

You get 9 shares for your chart!

I also would like to claim 12 shares based on my article located here:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=plan_for_investing_in_group_buys , of course that is if there are no objections.

You will receive 12 shares for your plan.   (it is the second investment plan)

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=peer_to_peer_lending_idea

Bittzy78

Bittzy will get 12 shares for the Peer-to-Peer Lending idea, which is the third investment plan

I've also posted a business/investment plan on Devtome re. http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#investment_business_plan

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=development_exchange

Feel free to rip into and criticise it.

You receive 12 shares for your plan.  There is one investment plan bounty remaining for 12 shares, and then the next five will be six shares.

Hello!  I would like to present to all, my button!:

SuperNova'd version:
[img size=100]http://i6.minus.com/jBhIvAQQWSyqd.png[/img]

Normal version:
[img size=100]http://devtomebutton.weebly.com/uploads/9/6/9/5/9695713/212411_orig.png[/img]

I have posted the normal version here: http://devtomebutton.weebly.com/ and http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_gallery
for your viewing pleasure

Athanasios gets 1/5 of a share for his button.  Congrats on your first bounty, Thanos!

[novacadian]

request at unocoin (Indian btc site) to add DVC
https://www.unocoin.com/contact.php

Done.  Everyone please do this!

Done, also send a request to http://bex.io

Done

I am not sure if sending them an email is going to help or not..

https://www.unocoin.com/news.php

They sent a reply email saying, "We have made note of your suggestion. You can reach me on [telephone number] for more clarification." I can PM the number to anyone that would like to make the call.

- Nova

[georgem]

Let people first and foremost provide music for free (and get compensated in DVC), so other people can use that music for free in their projects.

It seems MarkM's point is being, largely, missed.

If we are talking about free music then the authors of said music can simply release it to the public domain. That is not the same as Open Source.

How is this poem at devtome open source?

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=epic_love_poem

Please explain this. Is such a poem open source, because I can go ahead and change words etc?
Don't I destroy the work of this poet if I just switch words around as it pleases me?
I mean, if I am really good, I can make this poem better, and add value. If I am illiterate I will destroy this poem if I try to change and remix it.

I can create "poems" thru music, and post them so people can listen to them. I can also give people access to the MIDI-Files and all the tracks (if for example my music has 8 tracks, people can download all tracks separately)... So people can remix and mashup my music and potentially (if they know what they are doing) create something new.

The poem on devtome is free too, won't you agree?

I think we can all agree that everything that is posted as open source is also always free.

But not everything that is free is open source. But artists can make their art more or less open source by giving access to all work material. But this is difficult if part of their work material is in their brain.


For example: I can't open source the groove feeling I have in my left hand when I play that funky bassline.
Oh I can give you notes and MIDI-Files... but try and use those to create similar funky basslines and you will fail.

What I mean is, open source is partly possible with art, but not all the way thru, like it is with math and code.

[markm]

The tracks is good though. Also the scores, midi files etc, so people can change which instruments are used, use which tracks they want, run some tracks through sound effect filters if they want and so on.

Also apparently some music is put together from notes samples, so having the source to know which notes of which instruments are used would allow using a different library of notes, especially if the original used proprietary samples of notes.

Free open source such libraries are needed too though as apparently some musicians use proprietary/restricted libraries of notes partly because they do not know of any similar libraries that have less-restrictive licenses.

With graphics some artists claim they are forced to use photoshop because none of the free open source graphics programs have the function(s) they need; getting the functions added to free open source paint/draw/etc programs ought to be something DeVCoin could aspire to eventually get done.

And so on.

Also, coders build programs in their minds too, and hacking blindly at their code similarly might not always result in better programs. But the point is you can see exactly what they did and you can change it, even if that has bad results you can learn from that maybe some of why they did it the way they did, or learn yet another thing not do do etc. Coding is an art too.

-MarkM-

[smeagol]

How can I tell which blocks will be paid out to me?  (e.g. Will block 121000 have may payout?)

I looked in the receiver file on Github but don't know what it means.

[georgem]

Free open source such librarys are needed too though as apparently some musicians use proprietary/restricted libraries of notes partly because they do not know of any similarly libraries that have less-restrictive licenses.

Not knowing is not the problem, but rather that similar libraries just don't exist at all.
Also, in the recent years I have seen a big price dump in proprietery music software. For example many virtual instruments are in the 50-100 $ range now... that doesn't make them free, but very competitive.
I remember the times 10 years ago, when music software was really expensive.

With graphics some artists claim they are forced to use photoshop because none of the free open source graphics programs have the function(s) they need; getting the functions added to free open source paint/draw/etc programs ought to be something DeVCoin could aspire to eventually get done.

It's not only that. If my customers send me photoshopfiles to work with, then I need photoshop. Photoshop has a billion market cap with a lot of highly developped filters you are simply not going to find in open source tools anytime soon.
Also with graphics programs I see a big price dump, changing the way they charge people. Adobe now has this monthly subcription in place, where you get access to ALL it's software for a mere 50 $ a month.

You pay as long as you want to use the software.

I am just saying: the big proprietary firms understand that something is changing and that they have to adapt.

[markm]

Well here is another suggestion then:

When something is that excruciatingly non-open-source, how about we have a policy of surrounding it with scaffolding that kind of makes it somewhat more source-ish?

For example instead of just a bunch of soundtracks that someone played on proprietary instruments or with physical instruments that we do not have how to build plans and instructions for let alone 3D-printer files or computerised-woodworking instructions for and such, lets try to turn it into some kind of useful source as much as possible.

A really simple start toward that, a really simple idea toward it, would be to accompany it with a bunch of keywords hints or somesuch, so that when for example a screenplay says "Outdoors, English topiary garden, behind a manor house; the sky is overcast, the background music is sombre" one could at least look up "sombre" among the soundtracks to get a list of soundtracks that might fit that scene?

It would at least be a start. Right now Battle For Wesnoth for example still defaults, I think, to just rotating through its available soundtracks. Campaign and scenario developers can specify specific tracks to rotate among, or set one specific track for a scenario, but there is no general mood kind of indication you can give instead and that most probably is because there is not yet any library of free open source soundtracks categorised by mood so right now having in the code an instruction as to what mood of mood-music should be used wouldn't do anything.

Actually that could even go beyond one's library of free open source music, as music player software nowadays tends to have the ability to keep lists of people's music collections for them. If we had free open source mood music with usable categories/moods that software could invoke, maybe eventually that would lead to proprietary collections also adding the hooks to make their music also be available to such software in the event the user is a subscriber to their collection, and on like that.

Similarly for images: do we have an English topiary garden image? How about at least either an English garden or a topiary garden? How about a manor house? Can we put garden and manor house together? Or maybe we have an image that already has them put together? Etc.

Carrying it further there could be notes characterising it in more ways, not just mood but even down to details of performer / performance. So screenplays could have instructions such as "a terribly bad violinist is heard from the other room; Watson closes the door and continues writing his case-notes", or "a brilliant virtuoso is playing an intricate melody across the river" or "a trio is..." or whatever.

-MarkM-

[georgem]

A really simple start toward that, a really simple idea toward it, would be to accompany it with a bunch of keywords hints or somesuch, so that when for example a screenplay says "Outdoors, English topiary garden, behind a manor house; the sky is overcast, the background music is sombre" one could at least look up "sombre" among the soundtracks to get a list of soundtracks that might fit that scene?

That is a very good idea.

The database we will create for music and sound must be highly accessible to visitors who are simply looking for free open source stuff (FOSS).

Tags will help the user find what he is looking for, but also categorizations in a folder structure like the open directory project is OK with me.

Why not have both....

we must start somewhere... and then let a sophisticated tag system evolve. Maybe something like a mood tag sequencer, where people paste mood specifications on the timeline of a song.

[sidhujag]

Do we all need to upgrade to this new client?

I see Round 30 has begun but no payouts yet.

You dont need to it should be compatible with old clients.

[eeh]

Do we all need to upgrade to this new client?

I see Round 30 has begun but no payouts yet.

You dont need to it should be compatible with old clients.

Thanks.

[sidhujag]

Where is that site that shows payout information like how much a share is worth this round etc? Shouldnt this info be on our website under "Earnings and Payouts"