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February 26, 2018, 12:46:35 PM
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I am not complaining about it. Like I said, it is good for more quality posts instead of "nice project" or "I like it".. So only pointing out that it should get more known, so more people understand it, so we can move forward with this system and people can be more rewarded for their quality posts! Smiley

For the sake of fishing for merit points the 'I love this ICO' posts have now become 'I love the merit system' posts. Quite an improvement indeed.  Roll Eyes
For as far I know, this is a forum, used for example: Discussions.. So how can you see my post as phising for merit, where I only state out that it would be nice if the merit system would get more known (Also another post, which you did not quote).. In the end, we are almost all aiming for a higher rank on the forum. As I also never said 'I love the merit system'.  So I don't see the usage of your post as a reaction to me! Other then to up your own activity..
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February 26, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
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The topical sarcasm of a quip about merit in the merit thread goes right over your head, I see.

just because i came here to "merit" his post (he linked it in russian merit topic).
Also, if you will open your eyes, you will see that i already "hero member". Difference between "hero" and "legendary" in most signature campaigns is too low (but mostly there is no difference at all).
following to this i'm not interested in merit (yeah, i don't want to lie: i like when people "merits" me for my good actions or usefull posts. But i don't care about disputes in Meta section).

I’m not your “bruda”.

Np, bruda. (sorry, could not resist  Cheesy)

My post history is readily available. I think that speaks to the quality of my posting before the merit system existed.

I also merited you for some usefull topics and thoughts. But to be honest: most of your merits you've got in Meta section flaming with spammers and other noobs. (useless occupation).

In sum—methinks you’re projecting yourself with your accusation of projecting.  It’s not the first time I’ve seen such things from you.

 Grin

Let me spell this out for you:  If you post a Communist agitprop picture, then yes, you are Red scum.  
No, you're wrong.
it's not a agitprop picture. For honest, it's very popular (for photoshoping) picture. For creating memes. For example 1 , 2, KITTONS!!!1 and also ponies
His picture just was another meme. Yeah, in your opinion it disgusting meme, cause it against merit. But it still meme.

If someone using propaganda poster for creating some funny picture it doesn't means that he belong to this ideology. Remember how much memes with Hitler we have  Cheesy

Unless, that is, you are someone currently at least age 45+ who was born in the former Soviet Union
Little correct

If some drooling imbecile from the “Che T-shirt” faction of American college brats posted the same picture, then I would roast him to a cinder

Why so? Che is mostly represent fight for freedom than communism. But it's obvious that if you're vietnam/nicaraguan/cuban guerrilla who fights against french for freedom you need some help. If USA and other western countries didn't want to help, then you turned your head to red empire.
So many people respected guerillas and i understand them very good. People loves such person like Che because they respected fight for freedom (i think that americans may understood me pretty well)


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February 26, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
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February 26, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
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It seems or appears to be creating a longer road for persons to be able to climb higher in rank.
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February 26, 2018, 05:37:15 PM
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Sure wish I had that knife right about now haha
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February 26, 2018, 06:41:05 PM
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You need to add another image at the end entitled Staff (no pun intended, albeit ...) so to come TOTALLY full-circle (ref.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k) ...


<humor at Staff's et al. expense>

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February 26, 2018, 06:42:42 PM
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 I think that there is not enough merit points. Even though the system could be good.
Everybody wants quality, but we might blew it with low points.
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February 26, 2018, 06:51:48 PM
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Bloody hell, I get the point, I really do. But it won't prevent from shitposting anyway, It will just be a pain in the ass for new users, who are just starting their journey in crypto world. They won't be able to post quality content, as they don't have any knowledge. Being a Jr Member all that time will be just demotivating for young fellows. It'll be way way harder to rank up now. Daamn, I mean it's just too subjective.
Then they don't need to post before they do a whole bunch of reading, do they? 

That's what I did.  I lurked for months before even creating an account, and it was more months before I joined a signature campaign.   

These days we've got whole towns in Asia coming here just for the campaigns, and they are all shitposters and they all sound alike.  So it's too damn bad that these noobs won't rank up.  They shouldn't be able to, and the merit system is near perfect for ensuring that.

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February 26, 2018, 07:02:59 PM
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Bloody hell, I get the point, I really do. But it won't prevent from shitposting anyway, It will just be a pain in the ass for new users.
It will be pain in the ass of shit-posters as i'm sure new users won't need points as they were not here to earn free money.
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February 26, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
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I think that there is not enough merit points. Even though the system could be good.
Everybody wants quality, but we might blew it with low points.
The merit is enough since there are also Merit sources out there that has a bunch of merit to give, so there will be no scarcity issue on giving merits.


It will just be a pain in the ass for new users, who are just starting their journey in crypto world.

Weird for me, what's the connection of the rank in starting journey in cryptoverse? You can even start in crypto without making account here. If you just invest in crypto or mining coins that would make you belong in crypto community.

I'll correct the statement for you, "who are just starting their journey in bounty world" thank me later.
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February 26, 2018, 07:17:34 PM
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These days we've got whole towns in Asia coming here just for the campaigns, and they are all shitposters and they all sound alike.  So it's too damn bad that these noobs won't rank up.  They shouldn't be able to, and the merit system is near perfect for ensuring that.
Lmao! Man you crack me up at times.
"Whole Towns in Asia" - It literally gave me an heart attack while spilling the food from my mouth as I was at the dinner.You know signature campaigns is an old trend now.The trend heavily is shifting towards bounty campaigns.You will find accounts that literally have no posting history but only links for the bounty campaigns.

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February 26, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
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This is funny thread, but weaker then the same in russian local - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.0
241 pages of pure butthurt!

I'm proud of my local board! We are the first in all forum! As always!  Grin

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February 26, 2018, 07:42:34 PM
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The Merit Stats link at the bottom of a user's Merit page is a nice addition.  Thanks theymos!


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February 26, 2018, 09:27:03 PM
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Correct me if i`m wrong guys ,

So for me, which i`m part of this comunity for one month and a half , it`s quite impossible at the time we speak to receive Merit Points ?
So far i can`t figure out why someone will merit me , for a post or something i wrote since i`m a little bit newbie on Crypto market and i`m not able to come with personalized opinions and very good points of view and expressing something that makes other people , " WOW , he deserve a merit point " .

I understand why this procedure , people abusing in posts for rank-up and go to bounty campaings. It`s very good for some of us, but bad for others .. so it`s debatable.

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February 26, 2018, 09:47:16 PM
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Correct me if i`m wrong guys ,

So for me, which i`m part of this comunity for one month and a half , it`s quite impossible at the time we speak to receive Merit Points ?
So far i can`t figure out why someone will merit me , for a post or something i wrote since i`m a little bit newbie on Crypto market and i`m not able to come with personalized opinions and very good points of view and expressing something that makes other people , " WOW , he deserve a merit point " .

I understand why this procedure , people abusing in posts for rank-up and go to bounty campaings. It`s very good for some of us, but bad for others .. so it`s debatable.

Thanks.
The way you're typing right now is incredibly difficult to read and that doesn't exactly bode well for you getting Merit.

If you're a newbie to Crypto, learn and make a post that IS quality. If your post actually deserves getting merit it WILL get merited. Plenty of people have recieved merits and plenty of people are sending merits right now. The system works, you just have to make a post that attracts someone's attention like you said in your own post.
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February 26, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
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Correct me if i`m wrong guys ,

So for me, which i`m part of this comunity for one month and a half , it`s quite impossible at the time we speak to receive Merit Points ?
So far i can`t figure out why someone will merit me , for a post or something i wrote since i`m a little bit newbie on Crypto market and i`m not able to come with personalized opinions and very good points of view and expressing something that makes other people , " WOW , he deserve a merit point " .

I understand why this procedure , people abusing in posts for rank-up and go to bounty campaings. It`s very good for some of us, but bad for others .. so it`s debatable.

Thanks.
The way you're typing right now is incredibly difficult to read and that doesn't exactly bode well for you getting Merit.

If you're a newbie to Crypto, learn and make a post that IS quality. If your post actually deserves getting merit it WILL get merited. Plenty of people have recieved merits and plenty of people are sending merits right now. The system works, you just have to make a post that attracts someone's attention like you said in your own post.

Yep , sorry for my "swamp" english. I`ll just do some research about Crypto market but i won`t focus on getting merits, i was just curious. Anyway , thanks for your answer.
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February 26, 2018, 11:28:37 PM
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With this new system some of us newbies find it a problem for ranking up but with a greater knowledge of it we are truly greatful for this because we're striving to do our best to make quality posts.

For the people with a higher ranks, Im looking forward for you contributions here in this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3021637.0
(Inside of this threads are links that helps the newbies gain some Merits, We are trying our best to achieve such accomplishments.)
I know it is a bothersome to do, to make a review on their post but please just a little time. You may give some Merits on those deserving people or a reliable source that can also help them participate.

THANKS IN ADVANCE!




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February 26, 2018, 11:36:06 PM
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I think there should be some easy way to earn merit without being spotted by source to post quality response, probably achieving some numbers of activity for some period of time, logging in in one day earn 1 merit, curating good, quality, highest quality post, correcting non English speaker post grammar or anything that does not depends on other people giving out merit, task that members can do on their own to earn merit, probably steemit system can be employed here to increase overall effectiveness of rewarding system, right now the only way to earn merit is quality post and being spotted by merit source and the merit source must be willing and have time to give merit which make it probably only 1% of this forum members capable of, but probability of that happen probably 0.001% only as demonstrated by so many long winding post without any merit given.


I must admire you for your long-ass sentence.... reminds me of my own style, somewhat.

You may be correct that there is some deficiencies in this newly implemented system that relies to some degree to be spotted and appreciated by other members in order to receive merit - yet you suggest a shortage of smerits that is not yet proven by evidence and you also seem to suggest that some merit sources would be reluctant to give out merit.  I would presume that Theymos is choosing merit sources who are more likely to be ready, willing and able to give out their smerits and if they are not giving out their smerits, then they would likely lose their source status.  Furthermore, you also seem to be presuming that members are going to hoard their smerits, and sure there may be some logical expectation that some members will hoard some smerits, yet if they continue to receive merits for their posts, then they continue to accumulate smerits, and it seems less  likely that in the long term they are going to consider scarcity in smerits, especially if they are earning smerits (through their posts) on a regular basis.

One month into this whole process seems a bit early to come to some of the conclusions that you have made, and even you may be lacking considerable amounts of factual evidence to even be logically making some of your assertions.... but let's see, let's see.. you may be correct about some of your above asserted points.



I believe there is some people with quality content/idea just get put off by the restriction of their ranking although he is a good contributor

case as example:


Development team of new alt coin using new account will be limited to few post for certain period of time and no link/image allowed, if he stuck at Newbie rank probably for long period of time because nobody care to give him merit, that just hinder productive discussion.

Your example does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense because you seem to assume that some newbie member has good intentions, a good system, a right to come into this forum and have credibility to pump his shit coin merely because he has a lot of supposedly good ideas.  Your framing of the hypothetical assumes to be true (good credibility and knowledge and intentions of the newbie member), and it seems to me that the merit system is conceptualized as a way to for newbies to actually establish their credibility, intentions and knowledge and the merit system is meant to battle against the exact problem that you are assuming away in your framing of your hypothetical good intentioned newbie.  

In my humble bumble (or maybe not so humble.. hahahahaha), if some newbie fuck has some decent, good and well intentioned ideas and wants to pump some shitty coin (or possibly good coin, as you presume), then yeah, it is likely a whole hell-of-a-lot better that s/he/it goes through the motions and process of building up some reputation and credibility on the forum by earning some merits before being granted some free reign to promote his/her bullshit (even if the bullshit, as you are hypothesizing it to be in your example, happens to be good, well-intended and smart).

TLDR: In my opinion, the presumption about newbie members should not be that they are honorable, well-intended, good, smart, blah blah blah.. because that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.  Contrarily, we also do not presume newbies to be dishonorable, bad-intended, mischevious, evil, dumb, blah blah blah and that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.


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@theymos:  Please add a merit requirement for reaching Jr. Member status.  Thanks.

Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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February 26, 2018, 11:56:01 PM
Last edit: February 27, 2018, 08:30:07 AM by nullius
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@theymos:  Please add a merit requirement for reaching Jr. Member status.  Thanks.

Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....

Actually, I think that the Jr. threshold should be 10 and the Member threshold should be around 30.  I am preparing a post with these and other suggestions.  My immediate impetus for making proposals is that I reached the Hero threshold of 500 merit within 27 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, 22 seconds of active posting.  Zero to Hero within four weeks?  That should not be humanly possible.  Adjustments are needed at the high and low ends; I do think the middle ranks’ thresholds are appropriate.

(<whine>The earliest I can actually rank up to Hero will be Activity Period 1283, which will start during 12 March 2019.  The activity system is oppressive to new users!  Legendaries push everybody else down!</whine>)

(Edit following JayJuanGee’s below reply:  <whine> tag with gratuitous complaint about Legendaries implies /s.  I will follow up later; for now, I just want to make that excruciatingly clear for those reading this thread.)



Edit:  As for “better quality posts right from the start”, it is good for new users to lurk awhile.  Some do that by reading the forum for months (or even years) without making an account; they (we) can make good posts “right from the start”.  Vide my debut post in Development & Technical Discussion, three days after I started actively posting.  It discusses covert ASICBOOST, quotes gmaxwell from bitcoin-dev, speaks about miners’ job of BFT transaction ordering—all to analyze the ulterior motives of people who hate Segwit.  Is that a “Newbie” post, in any sense?  Whereas users who make an account as soon as they find the forum, and especially those who are totally new to Bitcoin, should surely be kept at Newbie rank for awhile.  They are newbies!  Nothing wrong with that; we all start somewhere.


I wanted to reply to some others upthread, but thus far—well, priorities.

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The Merit Stats link at the bottom of a user's Merit page is a nice addition.  Thanks theymos!

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