Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[bryant.coleman]

Moscow: Kiev and its Western sponsors provoke bloodshed, are directly responsible

http://rt.com/news/156596-moscow-kiev-bloodshed-responsible

Spokesperson for Russian President Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov, released an official statement following the tragic events in Odessa. 39 anti-government activists have died in a fire at the Trade Unions House there, after the building was set ablaze by pro-Kiev radicals. Some anti-Kiev protesters burned to death, while others suffocated or jumped out of windows, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry said.

Ukraine MP Lesya Orobets celebrating death of Russian speaking people in Odessa:

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[247crypto]

[Hazir]

Could you translate that? Or at least put some short summary what is it. I don't speak russian/ukrainian.

[dogechode]

Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?

It's a part of few differences between USSR in 1980s and today's USA.

• USSR used gold standard for currency;
• Soviet central bank was a public company, not a private FED-like entity.

Actually, state capitalism is the worst enemy of FED-like structures, it's their nightmare. Because such approach is able to demonstrate their uselessness.

By the way, soviet currency had no oil dependence until 1961. In 1961, Khrushchev performed the reform which introduced ​​a ruble dependence on oil. This dependence caused some problems few decades later. USA economy is dependent on oil price too, but their dependence is like a reflection of USSR situation. High prices cause an increase in budget spending on import, which accelerates the growth of debt.

I'm not saying I'm a fan of the whole currency as debt model, but Russia's economy and currency are far from a shining example of success. Let's be honest here.

[bryant.coleman]

Ukrainian citizen murdered by Right Sector in Kramatorsk:

[Paya]

Still Russia is sending no support for the separatists, despite almost 50 dying in Odessa, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk yesterday. I think Putin will wait until all of the pro-federalization supporters are finished off by the neo Nazis.

You mean he needs more bodies to start acting? How many dead Russians is enough for his appetite? Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. I think Putin is actually cornered and he doesn't know what to do next. He miscalculated something: he was counting on much stronger, massive support for rebellion by ethnic Russian civilians, which didn't really happen; beside that he was probably hoping that Kiev will not be able to find troops determined to fight, if necessary. But days of Ukrainian units handing their weapons to rebels and going home are over, I'm afraid.

As I said earlier, Moscow's attitude towards their people in Donbas region hasn't been fair from the very beginning. Officials were giving them false hope that Donbas can take the same path as Crimea, which is clearly impossible without the large scale military intervention - costly adventure Russia is not ready to pay. I was also under strong impression that Moscow-Donbas communication channel is not working very well, and that has just been admitted by Kremlin who stated that it doesn't have influence on anti-Kiev militants in eastern Ukraine.

[bryant.coleman]

Lugansk declares state of emergency, mobilization amid Kiev’s punitive op

http://rt.com/news/156616-lugansk-state-emergency-mobilization

Self-defense forces have declared a state of emergency and full mobilization in the eastern region of Lugansk, amid Kiev’s punitive military operation in the region. The people’s governor of the Lugansk region, Valery Bolotov, has issued a statement declaring the state of emergency in the region, the representative of the so-called united army of the south-east told RIA Novosti.

[Balthazar]

Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?

It's a part of few differences between USSR in 1980s and today's USA.

• USSR used gold standard for currency;
• Soviet central bank was a public company, not a private FED-like entity.

Actually, state capitalism is the worst enemy of FED-like structures, it's their nightmare. Because such approach is able to demonstrate their uselessness.

By the way, soviet currency had no oil dependence until 1961. In 1961, Khrushchev performed the reform which introduced ​​a ruble dependence on oil. This dependence caused some problems few decades later. USA economy is dependent on oil price too, but their dependence is like a reflection of USSR situation. High prices cause an increase in budget spending on import, which accelerates the growth of debt.

I'm not saying I'm a fan of the whole currency as debt model, but Russia's economy and currency are far from a shining example of success. Let's be honest here.

1) Don't compare RF with USSR, the modern RF economy is a modified clone of debt model with private central bank... There are many changes planned yet, but now it's a clone. Soviet-style currency is now working in China, and there is no problem yet... Without 1961 reform it would work in Russia too.

2) I don't see any problem with RF's economy. Unlike USA or EU, RF is able to pay all its debt today. So I agree, it's better to be honest before trying to perform any comparison.

[bryant.coleman]

Odessa mourns bloodshed victims, activists demand 'murderer' governor's resignation

http://rt.com/news/156624-odessa-victims-protest-burnt

Around 150 demonstrators in Odessa, southeastern Ukraine have blocked the regional Department of Interior building in protest against officers' inaction during Friday's bloody clashes, sparked by radicals, which left 46 people dead. Protesters have threatened to storm the building and are demanding the resignation of Odessa's governor, Vladimir Nemirovsky, who they refer to as “the murderer.” Activists want those responsible for the violence to be punished.

[dogechode]

I find that USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods. Also the same destruction process is working.

Wait what the fuck? No dude, they are not even remotely similar in any way at all.

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGT_Z7OCAsw

[bryant.coleman]

Odessa martyrs (Pics: 6-10):
NSFW:
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[bryant.coleman]

According to Farsnews, Saudi Arabia has sent a large number of Arab fighters in Syria to Ukraine, to fight pro-Russian protesters. The news can't eb confirmed as of now. Details awaited.

[Balthazar]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

Free press in Britain? o_O

I hope author is still alive.

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ lol... definitely one of the most popular articles in the history of the Guardian. 

A record 3,232 comments with 75% of them criticizing the Kiev Nazis. Don't know whether he is alive or not, but Seumas Milne do have the balls to stand up to the media censorship. 

[Balthazar]

^^^^ lol... definitely one of the most popular articles in the history of the Guardian. 

A record 3,232 comments with 75% of them criticizing the Kiev Nazis. Don't know whether he is alive or not, but Seumas Milne do have the balls to stand up to the media censorship. 

I lol'd from criticizers of "russian agression" in comments.

[bryant.coleman]

Odessa police release 67 anti-govt activists after crowd surround police HQ

http://rt.com/news/156724-odessa-police-release-activists

Sixty-seven anti-government activists detained by police in the south Ukrainian city of Odessa have been released after a crowd of locals blocked the Interior Ministry building. Those released reportedly included survivors from the deadly May-2 fire. A crowd of Odessa residents, which included many women and elderly people as seen on live video streams from the scene, cheered and hugged the released activists.

[needbmw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4

no comment

[bryant.coleman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4

no comment

Typical neo-Nazi Right Sector supporters. They want to butcher the Russians and destroy Russia. These people need to learn something from the Georgian experience in 2008. Only the mentally retarded will poke a bear.

[Nemo1024]

Putin: Washington behind Ukraine events all along, though flying low
http://rt.com/news/155732-putin-usa-behind-ukraine-crisis/

“I think what is happening now shows us who really was mastering the process from the beginning. But in the beginning, the United States preferred to remain in the shadow,” Putin said, as quoted by RIA Novosti.

Hahahahahaha! So USA set up Ukraine as a trap by destabilizing it, and idiot Putin completely fell for it by attempting to invade it, just as USA planned? What a moron XD

And DEAR GOD, do you read any sources other than Russian propaganda bullshit? Based on all these news reports, you would think that Ukraine is on the brink of civil war, with fascists taking over the government, and everyone else freaking out and trying to escape the imminent fascist rule. While the actual news, coming from the people actually living there, is more along the lines of the people currently in power are helpless to do anything, and everyone in Ukraine is just worried about Russia invading them, and thinking they may have to fight off Russians.

Rassah, sorry for a late reply, I was travelling.

You misinterpret the statement by Putin. He didn't fall for it, he is reacting (or more like not reacting well enough) to the events that unfold and that were ignited by NATO/EU. NATO/EU agenda was Ukrainian economic subversion and military bases, not setting a trap for Putin.

As for sources, I also read Western propaganda bullshit. I also talk to people. In Germany, I met an acquittance, who has relatives both in Ukraine and Russia. German media is also full of anti-Russian propaganda, but not to such a great degree as, say, UK. There is a large Russian minority in Germany, many of whom have relatives in Ukraine, to whom they call. And people get cognitive dissonance between what they read in Mass Media and what they hear from relatives. So German media (with the exception of Bild) try to keep things a bit more real. They do they own investigative reporting, rather then just re-printing NATO-vetted news.

There is a difference between Russian propaganda and Western propaganda. Russian media have a tendency to exaggerate the significance of some events. "Making an elephant out of a fly" so to speak. Western media twist the truth, tell half-truths or present outright lies. Western media would be the ones to call white for "dull, off-beat and discoloured", while black would be depicted and "bright, vibrant and full of life".

There are some in the Western media who tell the truth, like this reporter from The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
You can read the words of a Western journalist, whom you seem to trust more, so I don't need to recap the events for you.

As for being scared. Yes, people are scared. Scared of the unknown, scared of what to expect from next day, scared of provocations, of not knowing who to trust. According to my acquaintance in Germany, there is also a growing frustration with Russia, with wondering why there is no help coming from the East.