🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[YuginKadoya]

Dean Barry ruined a fight that he was basically cruising through. Think he might have got a little bit too excited, which ultimately bit him in the arse. Main event was good, Andrade I thought was brilliant, first ever standing triangle I believe in the UFC.

I'm looking forward to the next event, I think there's a few tasty fights, and one I'll likely put a bet on for. There was nothing wrong with last nights event, it was just rather iffy in terms of odds, and the fights being evenly matched,

He really was too Excited in doing such things, and that is two strikes for him, 1st was the kick on the crotch, and then an eye poke, Dean Barry was on the advantage before the two fouls he committed, and pretty much Mike Jackson win because of disqualification, and he is not feeling great about it, a win with Disqualification is not a happy feeling at all, and I guess both fighters are feeling upset, Dean Barry should learn his lesson and be much careful in doing things that are inappropriate and getting a fight into a disqualification.

the crazy thing is, that if Arlovski wins rhis, he will be on a similar wining streak as he had around 2015, and back then we thought he was allready done XD He is a god damn machine. And I would like to think that he could again make some headlines before hanging up the glives while on top (so to speak)

He only needed 3 more wins so he could have another similar winning streak last 2015, but Andrei Arlovski is at 43 years old, he needed to retire soon, but just like I said back when I commented on Andrei Arlovski, he surely knows his limitation, and I think he still wants to fight this, but I guess he can not compete in the top 5 of the heavyweight anymore, so upon reaching that desired winning streak again he needs to fight lower in the division.


But in the upcoming event, I think I would like to see Marlon Vera VS Rob Font, Darren Elkins VS Tristan Connelly and Alexandr Romanov VS Chase Sherman will be the one I am looking to bet and make my picks.

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[TheNineClub]

the crazy thing is, that if Arlovski wins rhis, he will be on a similar wining streak as he had around 2015, and back then we thought he was allready done XD He is a god damn machine. And I would like to think that he could again make some headlines before hanging up the glives while on top (so to speak)

He only needed 3 more wins so he could have another similar winning streak last 2015, but Andrei Arlovski is at 43 years old, he needed to retire soon, but just like I said back when I commented on Andrei Arlovski, he surely knows his limitation, and I think he still wants to fight this, but I guess he can not compete in the top 5 of the heavyweight anymore, so upon reaching that desired winning streak again he needs to fight lower in the division.

I don't know if he really does. I mean, most fighters don't. These winning streaks only give him fuel to continue doing this far past his health limits. But this also shows a much deeper issue with the HW division, and that is a lack of new quality talent. HW has long been the least interesting division and it just shows the underlying issue of those weight divisions and how other sports (namely American Football) are offering bigger guys much more than MMA is, and therefore quality athletes are choosing other avenues.

[tokeweed]

Dean Barry ruined a fight that he was basically cruising through. Think he might have got a little bit too excited, which ultimately bit him in the arse. Main event was good, Andrade I thought was brilliant, first ever standing triangle I believe in the UFC.

I'm looking forward to the next event, I think there's a few tasty fights, and one I'll likely put a bet on for. There was nothing wrong with last nights event, it was just rather iffy in terms of odds, and the fights being evenly matched,

Yup that mfker ruined the first tier of my event's lottery ticket.  -_-  I missed the first couple of matches but when I checked the result at Tapology, I had to read the result again.  It read something like:  'Disqualification via eye gouge.'.  Wtf.

And yeah...  Lemos was doing fine the first minute but then the timing of that arm going thru and setting up for the arm triangle.  Another wtf monent.  Same with Vanatta.  Doing ok the first couple of minutes until he wasn't.  And there was another one, I think it was Grant.  I don't wanna remember.  Lolol.  It was a disaster event for me.

[notblox1]

Jessica Andrade won in main event against Amanda Lemos and I expected that to happen, like I predicted in Sportsbet prediction competition.
One thing I didn't expect to see is that fight will end so fast in first round with that arm triangle choke, but she has great skills and I think she is coming back strong after few defeats.

[Hydrogen]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

[YuginKadoya]

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I don't know if he really does. I mean, most fighters don't. These winning streaks only give him fuel to continue doing this far past his health limits. But this also shows a much deeper issue with the HW division, and that is a lack of new quality talent. HW has long been the least interesting division and it just shows the underlying issue of those weight divisions and how other sports (namely American Football) are offering bigger guys much more than MMA is, and therefore quality athletes are choosing other avenues.

Well, we can say your right and also we can say that you are wrong, well you are right because most fights in the Heavyweight division doesn't really matter to some people or we are just watching raw power of a fighter and there are no specific technical approach to each fight some just needed raw strength to finish the job,

And you are wrong as well because not all fight in the Heavyweight division are boring or there are no technical approach when winning, I'd say the Ciryl Gane and Francis Ngannou, fight is a big success, when Ngannou is in the pinch he needs to switch he's style in order to win, and he doesn't went in his usual routine to just knock out his opponent, and I think this is because he truly acknowledge that he can not beat Ciryl Gane in a brawl so he needs to take the fight to the ground and this is the very 1st time Ngannou went to a takedown, and add up his injuries that time he surely need to change plans in order to win, and the fight that I think most people really love, that is why I really love Ciryl Gane when he fights he had put up a light in the heavyweight division that this division is not just about strength,

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

Well, every people have their opinion, and if a judge is bias towards a fighter, we can not do something about it but just hope there can be a rematch, and the UFC can not control that, but 1 thing is certain, that is why there are 3 judges in the UFC to score the fighters and likely that is why each camp can protest if they have seen anything wrong with the judge score card, anything can process that way, and if a fighter doesn't want to end up for the judge to decide who the winner is, he better Knock out his opponent so there is no need for the scorecards to let the decision the outcome of the fight. 

[TopTort777]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

I am unhappy with judging. I can closed eyes when judge in the ring isnt able to sometimes notice something (like punches in the back of the head, elbow on the ground or fighters using fence as a help against takedowns). But something must be done with judges that fill score cards. There are not strict and obvious rules on how to make decision who won round. Fighter can cycle for 4 minutes, make a takedown and win a round, while other fighter connected more and was more aggressive. I dont like that striking is value more than ground game like wrestling or grappling. If a one fighter was throwing strikes for 2.5minutes, and then spent 2.5 minutes defending from being chocked, according do judges, he won the round, but I would give a draw.

[Welsh]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

While I'm definitely not going to start yelling corruption at the top of my lungs because I don't actually think that's the case, I do believe some of the decisions as of recent have been awful. Seriously, even when I think a fighter has dominated their opponent, I'm a little worried if it comes to a decision. To be honest, its partly the reason I've been going for more underdogs as of recent, because they have a chance simply because of the inconsistency.

Although, I guess we do have to take into consideration that the judges might not have the best angles, as far as I'm aware they don't have any screens specifically for reviewing the fight, and all they have is cage side real time viewing. So, while their viewing might be good for seeing all the action, angles can change the perspective of a fight.

Honestly, I think they reward control time up against the cage while not doing anything way too much, and they also kind of favour pressuring your opponent which I also disagree with.

[cabron]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

I am unhappy with judging. I can closed eyes when judge in the ring isnt able to sometimes notice something (like punches in the back of the head, elbow on the ground or fighters using fence as a help against takedowns). But something must be done with judges that fill score cards. There are not strict and obvious rules on how to make decision who won round. Fighter can cycle for 4 minutes, make a takedown and win a round, while other fighter connected more and was more aggressive. I dont like that striking is value more than ground game like wrestling or grappling. If a one fighter was throwing strikes for 2.5minutes, and then spent 2.5 minutes defending from being chocked, according do judges, he won the round, but I would give a draw.

Happens not just in MMA but also in boxing. Judges are people too who can sometimes support one athlete. My kid who isn't really a fan of MMA sits and watch beside me yet act like a judge.

When you see a fighter run in the middle of the cage right when the fight starts or when the referee lets the fighter stand up while the other still wants to strike if the other attempts to get up.

[Welsh]

I'm not sure if bringing in more judges would be beneficial, and potentially allowing the judges to review each round in between rounds when the fighters are in their corners if that makes any sense. Although, I guess it depends on what they see in that minute or so, and could potentially swing their favour depending on what minutes they actually review. I don't know the solution, although I'd like to think if we had five judges instead of the traditional three, there might be more consistency, at least to mitigate the wild decisions that some of the judges have on fights.

It says it all when a two judges score a fight 2-1, and then one of the judges scores it 3-0, and this happens in fights which I didn't even deem close.

[TopTort777]

Why judges use 10 point score system instead of just choosing who won round? If a fighter looses round, it does not matter if he did it with 9-10 or 8-10 score. He has lost that round anyway. But this 2 point difference, can play a significant role in end during calculation. I dont like that judges have "entertainment point of view" approach. They value striking more than wrestling.

I also dont understand why there is such a huge difference between judges inside octagon. Like Mazzagatti and Dead Is it possible to create or find an universal judge. That wont do early stoppage or wont stop until fighter get few dozens of unanswered punches in face from full mount.

[inthelongrun]

Why judges use 10 point score system instead of just choosing who won round? If a fighter looses round, it does not matter if he did it with 9-10 or 8-10 score. He has lost that round anyway. But this 2 point difference, can play a significant role in end during calculation. I dont like that judges have "entertainment point of view" approach. They value striking more than wrestling.

I also dont understand why there is such a huge difference between judges inside octagon. Like Mazzagatti and Dead Is it possible to create or find an universal judge. That wont do early stoppage or wont stop until fighter get few dozens of unanswered punches in face from full mount.

The 10 point must system seems fine for me. It will account deductions and it will justify very dominating rounds that deserve 10-8 or even 10-7. Although this is a bit complicated in mma unlike in boxing where knockdowns serve as basis most of the time.

When a strike lands, it hurts and diminish someone's effectivity as the fight progressed. Wrestling is just like putting yourself only in a dominant position to launch strikes or submit your opponent. 

[tokeweed]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

It hasn't been less reliable or more crazy over time.  It's nothing new...  It has always been that way, esp if you have Chris Lee judging the matches.  Lolol.  And some those guys have no idea what they're doing imo.  I think the UFC should file an official complaint about these judges to whatever commission they came from.  Watch Holloway vs Volk 2 and tell me if Volk won that match.  I mean sure it can be argued for him since it was a split decision but I think there was a bigger argument for Holloway.  Dunno...

But if you're asking for straight robberies, no that's pretty rare.  And it would be too obvious.

[YuginKadoya]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

I am unhappy with judging. I can closed eyes when judge in the ring isnt able to sometimes notice something (like punches in the back of the head, elbow on the ground or fighters using fence as a help against takedowns). But something must be done with judges that fill score cards. There are not strict and obvious rules on how to make decision who won round. Fighter can cycle for 4 minutes, make a takedown and win a round, while other fighter connected more and was more aggressive. I dont like that striking is value more than ground game like wrestling or grappling. If a one fighter was throwing strikes for 2.5minutes, and then spent 2.5 minutes defending from being chocked, according do judges, he won the round, but I would give a draw.

I really think in the ground fight they are looking for the fighter who is in control, and yes the judges are into more strikes than the takedowns because it is easy for them to look and judge the striking but if a fighter is more aggressive and more in control with his fight judges can tend to score more on that, but yes there are many unlikely scores, or some judges are biased, I really think the judging system is not really perfect that is why fighters should pursue more on a KO, or TKO so likely there is no need to go with the scorecards and that fighter really deserve that win, but I am not saying that you are wrong you have your own comment and I really respect that,

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

It hasn't been less reliable or more crazy over time.  It's nothing new...  It has always been that way, esp if you have Chris Lee judging the matches.  Lolol.  And some those guys have no idea what they're doing imo.  I think the UFC should file an official complaint about these judges to whatever commission they came from.  Watch Holloway vs Volk 2 and tell me if Volk won that match.  I mean sure it can be argued for him since it was a split decision but I think there was a bigger argument for Holloway.  Dunno...

But if you're asking for straight robberies, no that's pretty rare.  And it would be too obvious.

Apparently, some people or most fans for that particular fighter are saying that the fight was a robbery, I can not argue with that, because they had their own opinion, but if the majority of fans are complaining about the scorecards then the UFC should change the judges, they should not be biased with the fight, and the UFC should background check them first pertaining if they like some of the fighters then that judge will likely bias on that fighter, there is a huge chance, but the Judge system is not really perfect it has its ups and downs, so I think we should be understandable, and I agree with all you are saying, and pretty much many people don't like some of the judges score and me aswell I don't really like most of the scores, but I am respectful on their side, that is their job if they would give a biased score then that is their decision because they are the judges, and yeah it is not 100% accurate.

[fiulpro]

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

I am unhappy with judging. I can closed eyes when judge in the ring isnt able to sometimes notice something (like punches in the back of the head, elbow on the ground or fighters using fence as a help against takedowns). But something must be done with judges that fill score cards. There are not strict and obvious rules on how to make decision who won round. Fighter can cycle for 4 minutes, make a takedown and win a round, while other fighter connected more and was more aggressive. I dont like that striking is value more than ground game like wrestling or grappling. If a one fighter was throwing strikes for 2.5minutes, and then spent 2.5 minutes defending from being chocked, according do judges, he won the round, but I would give a draw.

I really think in the ground fight they are looking for the fighter who is in control, and yes the judges are into more strikes than the takedowns because it is easy for them to look and judge the striking but if a fighter is more aggressive and more in control with his fight judges can tend to score more on that, but yes there are many unlikely scores, or some judges are biased, I really think the judging system is not really perfect that is why fighters should pursue more on a KO, or TKO so likely there is no need to go with the scorecards and that fighter really deserve that win, but I am not saying that you are wrong you have your own comment and I really respect that,

Is anyone unhappy with judging decisions in MMA over the last few months?

Is it my imagination or is judging becoming less reliable and more crazy over time?

It hasn't been less reliable or more crazy over time.  It's nothing new...  It has always been that way, esp if you have Chris Lee judging the matches.  Lolol.  And some those guys have no idea what they're doing imo.  I think the UFC should file an official complaint about these judges to whatever commission they came from.  Watch Holloway vs Volk 2 and tell me if Volk won that match.  I mean sure it can be argued for him since it was a split decision but I think there was a bigger argument for Holloway.  Dunno...

But if you're asking for straight robberies, no that's pretty rare.  And it would be too obvious.

Apparently, some people or most fans for that particular fighter are saying that the fight was a robbery, I can not argue with that, because they had their own opinion, but if the majority of fans are complaining about the scorecards then the UFC should change the judges, they should not be biased with the fight, and the UFC should background check them first pertaining if they like some of the fighters then that judge will likely bias on that fighter, there is a huge chance, but the Judge system is not really perfect it has its ups and downs, so I think we should be understandable, and I agree with all you are saying, and pretty much many people don't like some of the judges score and me aswell I don't really like most of the scores, but I am respectful on their side, that is their job if they would give a biased score then that is their decision because they are the judges, and yeah it is not 100% accurate.

Can't say it's anything new. It's the lack of consistently in MMA due to it being a newish sport, owned by an individual. Some of couple week's decisions were weird, but you had to agree. Fights were stopped due to illegal elbow and eye poke, with the ref choosing what happened. Why was one fighter taken a point, but the other not? You can hear this makes sense to the commentators as well. I've seen some arguments against the 10-9 scoring, think it's a bit ridiculous to take this away and it works well when a fighter has had a dominant fight. I think refs should have access to strikes absorbed as they are watching in real time. But let's me honest, especially when your trying to take a belt of someone. You have to win, or at least dominate, if fighters don't want to leave it to the judges. Knock them out. Easier said than done, but don't leave it for someone else to decide.

[notblox1]

Francis Ngannou said he won't sign another contract with UFC unless boxing fight with heavyweight fighter Tyson Fury is not part of a deal.
Both of them want to fight and I think that only obstacle is Dana White who doesn't like fighters making more money than he want's them to earn.
If you ask me I would pay to watch this fight and I don't care what Dana or UFC thinks about this.

[YuginKadoya]

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Can't say it's anything new. It's the lack of consistently in MMA due to it being a newish sport, owned by an individual. Some of couple week's decisions were weird, but you had to agree. Fights were stopped due to illegal elbow and eye poke, with the ref choosing what happened. Why was one fighter taken a point, but the other not? You can hear this makes sense to the commentators as well. I've seen some arguments against the 10-9 scoring, think it's a bit ridiculous to take this away and it works well when a fighter has had a dominant fight. I think refs should have access to strikes absorbed as they are watching in real time. But let's me honest, especially when your trying to take a belt of someone. You have to win, or at least dominate, if fighters don't want to leave it to the judges. Knock them out. Easier said than done, but don't leave it for someone else to decide.

Totally agree and I am not going to argue with that, if a fighters does want to really win knock down his opponent, than leaving the decisions to the judges because certainly they will make their own decision or they can make a bias scoring if the fighter would let it that way, or if a fighter can not make a KO/TKO win at least make the fight be dominant or be in control with the fight, or take the advantage in every fight so you can surely protest or you can have a higher probability in winning in a protest against the judge scorecards, and yes MMA is a pretty new thing there is so much to do and so much to change and rules can surely be change in equal to both fighters,

Francis Ngannou said he won't sign another contract with UFC unless boxing fight with heavyweight fighter Tyson Fury is not part of a deal.
Both of them want to fight and I think that only obstacle is Dana White who doesn't like fighters making more money than he want's them to earn.
If you ask me I would pay to watch this fight and I don't care what Dana or UFC thinks about this.

Francis Ngannou just wants the best for him and Dana White is not giving a thing to his request; this could really take some time to be solved, if Francis Ngannou doesn't want to sign his contract then I think Dana White has some solution with that as well. But the UFC can not let a now well-known fighter and a cash cow for Dana White be gone in just an instant, so they are talking it out one at a time; let's just wait for further news on what may happen.

[TheNineClub]

Francis Ngannou just wants the best for him and Dana White is not giving a thing to his request; this could really take some time to be solved, if Francis Ngannou doesn't want to sign his contract then I think Dana White has some solution with that as well. But the UFC can not let a now well-known fighter and a cash cow for Dana White be gone in just an instant, so they are talking it out one at a time; let's just wait for further news on what may happen.

I wouldn't really say that Ngannou is a cash cow for UFC. I think both fights with Miočić did more or less the same as his last fight with Gane (approx 350K-400K PPV buys), and that really doesn't put any of those events high on the list of overall PPV buys (it's hard to get exact numbers for UFC270, so this is a ball park approximation on some info). Seeing that his fight with Gane was not all that exciting (for it to sell more), I doubt that FNs next fight will attract a lot of eyes save for a fight with JBJ, but that's a whole different story. I don't think FN has legs to stand on with his demands, at least coming from the UFCs perspective, so I doubt this goes anywhere.

[Welsh]

Francis Ngannou said he won't sign another contract with UFC unless boxing fight with heavyweight fighter Tyson Fury is not part of a deal.
Both of them want to fight and I think that only obstacle is Dana White who doesn't like fighters making more money than he want's them to earn.
If you ask me I would pay to watch this fight and I don't care what Dana or UFC thinks about this.

Dana has been accused of locking in fighters to the UFC, and not allowing them to compete in other competitions even if it's a different sport. I think it probably gets done, but Dana will request a huge share of the prize money. I'm not sure what sort of money we would be talking for that fight, but I expect it to be less than the Conor vs Mayweather fight, so Dana isn't as inclined to accept this one.

Still, I think it gets done. Ngannou isn't going to have a big enough boxing career to be able to make the money he could be making with the UFC, so I imagine Ngannou will be the one to cave in, and give Dana a substantial share in the prize money of the Tyson Fury fight.

[TopTort777]

Francis Ngannou said he won't sign another contract with UFC unless boxing fight with heavyweight fighter Tyson Fury is not part of a deal.
Both of them want to fight and I think that only obstacle is Dana White who doesn't like fighters making more money than he want's them to earn.
If you ask me I would pay to watch this fight and I don't care what Dana or UFC thinks about this.

Let me correct you, "both of them want money" I think Ngannou wants money more than having a belt and a title most dangerous man on earth. If curling players would earn millions like boxers, we would see Ngannou saying that either Dana lets him throws these stones, or he will leave UFC. Ngannou is from poor country, poor family. All he cares is having more money, that is his vision of life.

If you ask me, I would not pay to watch Fury vs Ngannou fight, as I have already seen it. It is called Fury vs Wilder parts 1-3.