🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Betwrong]

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[Welsh]

Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

I'd like to see a pay restructure since most fighters on the card are criminally underpaid when you compare it with other sports, and we've had this discussion before about MMA fighters needing to pay higher fees than boxers due to learning multiple disciplines.

I can't believe this odds I see now on Francis N'Gannou to win against Ciryl Gane!  
I know both of them are great fighters but giving N'Gannou role of an underdog  will just make him want to win faster to prove everyone wrong.
Dana White is not in good relations with him and maybe he would want to see Ciryl Gane as new champion of heavyweight division...
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-270-ngannou-vs-gane/ngannou-francis-vs-gane-ciryl-619df136e5327bf6e886778c

Weird, every other gambling website I've looked at had similar odds even the local bookies has it at similar odds. It's only Sportsbet that's got Ngannou as a favourite. Everywhere else I've looked its currently around 2.25 for Ngannou, and 1.66 for Gane.

I guess with Ngannou and Gane, one of the reasons why was that leaked tape showing the sparring session the both had at MMA Factory, Ngannou’s former gym.   If anybody finds a YT clip feel free to post it itt.

If its the same tape I saw I'd say that put Gane in a more positive light than Ngannou, right?

[TheNineClub]

Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

But what's the alternative for him? Sure, he could go to other promotions, but that doesn't mean he would get any more money and he wouldn't be the champ anymore. Also, UFC never seemed to really care about him being champion, i always got the feeling they didn't know what to do with him (marketing-wise), so I doubt they will make any moves towards pleasing him. I mean, what's the track record of UFC losing big names due to not paying enough? Not that much, unfortunately (for the fighters)

[Welsh]

But what's the alternative for him? Sure, he could go to other promotions, but that doesn't mean he would get any more money and he wouldn't be the champ anymore. Also, UFC never seemed to really care about him being champion, i always got the feeling they didn't know what to do with him (marketing-wise), so I doubt they will make any moves towards pleasing him. I mean, what's the track record of UFC losing big names due to not paying enough? Not that much, unfortunately (for the fighters)

Seems to be motivated by money rather than what sport he's participating in so we could see him make the switch to boxing. I mean the guy is probably one of the biggest heavyweights we've seen, so he kind of markets himself because of his physique. I've always got the impression that they wasn't married to the idea of keeping him around, though. You know like Conor no matter what that man does he always gets the biggest fights, partly because he causes drama.

UFC haven't lost that many, but it only takes a few bigger names to start looking for alternatives, and they'll have to change their ways because they will start losing fighters. Luckily for UFC in the MMA world they've pretty much got the monopoly so until another organisation starts paying more, and getting to the level of fame that fighters might be looking for it might be more of the same.

Although, in the last two years fighters have been much more vocal about money issues with the UFC. It doesn't look good when champions are saying they'll take x fight because its more money or x champion will leave because they don't think they're getting paid enough. Obviously, recently we had Jake Paul trying to get involved, and said he was advocating for better pay for UFC fighters, which didn't go down to well with Dana.

I just feel despite Dana being quite stubborn, and strong in his beliefs, sooner rather than later he'll have to somewhat cave into the demands. I'll be honest I'm not all that interested in Ngannou boxing, I wouldn't mind seeing a fight against Fury just because of the different physiques, but really I'm not interested in him boxing beyond that, and surely Ngannou realizes that too.

[cabron]

Just one blow from Francis, Ciryl will be over. All he needs is just one and you can double your money. One uppercut like he did to Overeem would be satisfying.

Since the Ngannou was defeated by Miocic, Dana White and Ngannou relationship had deteriorated. There were speculations that Dana will not give good pay to Ngannou even when he can entice more people for the PPV with Jon Jones heavyweight come back. They are just rumors though.

"Just one blow from Gane, and Ngannou is sleeping"

I saw rumors, Ngannou said that 600k for the fight is not enough for him. As Welsh said, PPV prices raises (ESPN raises UFC pay-per-view price for third time), greedy Ngannou can perform a rat move and blackmail UFC for increase or he wont fight. Somehow I am expecting something bad from Ngannou.

I also expect Brazilian Deiveson Figueiredo getting his belt back. I think Moreno is unstable in his fight. He has lost his first in ufc tournament of champs and was kicked from the show. Then he replaced another guy and won. After he had 3-2 record in UFC and they did not offer him new contract. He returned and had 2 draws and 2 win with decision. He does not look a fighter with stable record. He is not convincing champ imho.

In an interview Francis actually said he knock Gane out in sparring. Although things don't always happen in a real fight, Gane could do the same to Francis this time. So those odds might change soon.

Since the time Francis demanded big pay, he loses friends including the teammates he use to and then Francis moved to another gym, that's a big deal. This is why he seeks to be in movies and sponsorship, MMA fighter-like him wants his voice to be heard.  Jut recently he announce to be paid in BTC too.

[bbc.reporter]

@cabron. Ngannou’s bitcoin adoption is only a marketing trick by Cashapp similar to all the other athletes who have accepted bitcoin. These type of very optimistic news also causes me to speculate if the cryptospace is near bubble pop stage of the market. I reckon it should pump first then followed by the bubble pop dump similar to 2017.

I agree to the people in the thread who are predicting that this might be a win for Francis Ngannou. He is 3-0 if the underdog hehehehe.



The reigning UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou has announced the mixed martial artist has partnered with the payments firm Cash App and plans to take half of his UFC 270 purse in bitcoin. Ngannou told his 620,100 Twitter followers that he believes “bitcoin can empower people everywhere.”

In addition to getting paid half of his purse in BTC, Ngannou said he planned to give away $300K worth of bitcoin to people dropping their Cash App name tag and using the hashtag “#paidinbitcoin.”

Source https://news.bitcoin.com/heavyweight-champ-francis-ngannou-plans-to-take-half-of-his-ufc-270-purse-paid-in-bitcoin/

[TopTort777]

Francis Ngannou main enemy in this fight will be his stamina. His fight against Stepe showed that he is really bad at late rounds. And that is no wonder, "big engine requires a lot of fuel". I've said several times already, power is the only thing Ngannou has. Gane is no less dangerous. 13-0 in Muay Thai and all wins by KO/TKO, 10-0 in MMA. Did you know that Gane won 7 fight in UFC in two last years without loosing a single round (like Khabib heh) ?

There is a funny quote - "Francis Ngannou is Greta Thunbergs enemy Nr.1. Because when he breathes, he produces too much O2"

[Welsh]

In an interview Francis actually said he knock Gane out in sparring. Although things don't always happen in a real fight, Gane could do the same to Francis this time. So those odds might change soon.

Yeah, but I believe this was refuted by Gane so its a classic hype building statement, which can't be proved either way, and its his word against Gane. So, I'd take that with a pinch of salt, especially since in sparring you aren't meant to be knocking out anyone.

If they're doing light sparring which I believe is what the video was showing they don't tend to wear head guards, but when they start pressing on the gas a little any respectable training facility will insist on head guards. Even then, its not meant to be knocking out your training partner.

Like I said this is likely the classic pre fight build up rather than anything truthful.

[tokeweed]

Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

I'd like to see a pay restructure since most fighters on the card are criminally underpaid when you compare it with other sports, and we've had this discussion before about MMA fighters needing to pay higher fees than boxers due to learning multiple disciplines.

But where is he going to go?  The UFC is the best and the biggest MMA organization in the world.  I mean sure he can have more freedom and get sponsors and endorsements to get more money.  But then again it’s also a problem.  How tf is he going to get endorsements of his platform isn’t the UFC?  It’s like a catch 22.

I think Dana White said once that he wanted to sign Fedor back in the day but Fedor didn’t want to and so he prolly is thinking about that right now cos he was offering Fedor way more than what he’s making at Bellator and other outifits.

I guess with Ngannou and Gane, one of the reasons why was that leaked tape showing the sparring session the both had at MMA Factory, Ngannou’s former gym.   If anybody finds a YT clip feel free to post it itt.

If its the same tape I saw I'd say that put Gane in a more positive light than Ngannou, right?

Yup.  Gane was touching him.

Anyway, UFC 270 press conference will be live in 8 hours or so.  This should be fun. 

UFC 270:  Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGGDnO4_g8

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Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

All UFC fighters should probably be paid more, but superstars like Ngannou should be on a different pay level all together anyway and the minnows can't be expecting huge sums. Francis should be getting millions per fight, but he was complaining he's only been getting 500k (or that he's not going to fight for that sort of money anymore). The trouble is, I think Ngannou is looking for the sort of riches to be found in boxing which just isn't there in the UFC. Ngannou is probably thinking why should I fight for 500k-1 million or so when I can go fight a boxing heavyweight and earn 10 million on my own terms.

If I understand the situation correctly Francis has one more fight on his contract which will expire with his fight this month, but the UFC has a champions clause which means if he wins he has to have another fight so it could be an interesting situation if his contract keeps getting extended. If he wins (or keeps winning) then he's going to have to keep fighting, but if he loses his stock will drop and is someone like Fury going to want to fight him then? Ngannou's allure is that he's demolshing everyone within a round or two but if he doesn't do great against Gane interest could wane. Fury seems very interested in the fight from his recent social media posts though and it looks like there's serious talks behind the scenes but Ngannou's UFC contract is probably holding everything back. It could be a catch 22 for Francis though. If he leaves the UFC for boxing I doubt Dana will take him back if the boxing doesn't work out. I think Francis can knock anyone on the planet out, but he's not going to outbox people like Fury/Wilder etc. If he gets embarrassed in boxing he'll have no where to go but to Belator, but if he does knock Fury out it's going to be quids in for him so it's an interesting situation to be in. Either way, I'm really looking forward to the fight this weekend. Michel Pereira is on the undercard who is always an entertaining watch.

[TopTort777]

But where is he going to go?  The UFC is the best and the biggest MMA organization in the world.  

I though he wanted to try himself in boxing. But with stamina he has, there is nothing for him to catch there. He wont stand half of the fight against a real pro boxer, against someone with a good record. Besides, he is old. He is 35. I think it is unable to train your stamina at this age to be able to fight 12 rounds. He has been training mma since 2013, and before that did a year or two of boxing. Will he really be ready to stand against boxer that been training since childhood? You can be a successful boxer if the only skill you have is powerful punches.

[TheNineClub]

But where is he going to go?  The UFC is the best and the biggest MMA organization in the world.  

I though he wanted to try himself in boxing. But with stamina he has, there is nothing for him to catch there. He wont stand half of the fight against a real pro boxer, against someone with a good record. Besides, he is old. He is 35. I think it is unable to train your stamina at this age to be able to fight 12 rounds. He has been training mma since 2013, and before that did a year or two of boxing. Will he really be ready to stand against boxer that been training since childhood? You can be a successful boxer if the only skill you have is powerful punches.

Yeah, I kinda thought the boxing thing was just an add on to MMA, not a full on career, because that is a whole nother fiel to play in, and starting at 35...Not sure about that.

UFC haven't lost that many, but it only takes a few bigger names to start looking for alternatives, and they'll have to change their ways because they will start losing fighters. Luckily for UFC in the MMA world they've pretty much got the monopoly so until another organisation starts paying more, and getting to the level of fame that fighters might be looking for it might be more of the same.

Although, in the last two years fighters have been much more vocal about money issues with the UFC. It doesn't look good when champions are saying they'll take x fight because its more money or x champion will leave because they don't think they're getting paid enough. Obviously, recently we had Jake Paul trying to get involved, and said he was advocating for better pay for UFC fighters, which didn't go down to well with Dana.

Yeah, but at the moment there is no one that can pay that much and still be on the level the UFCis. He might not be about the, sport, rather the money, and that's all good, but believe me, fighters start to get the 'who's the top dog in the world' itch, and he can scratch that only in the UFC, because if he goes to a smaller promotion that could pay him much more (and that's not Bellator), he can be a champ there for 50 years and people would still say that he is on top there, but really, the UFC is the only standard. That's unfortunate but that's how it is.

[notblox1]

I did say few days ago that I see value in betting on Francis Ngannou to win against Ciryl Gane, but there is some doubt because he is not laser focused this time.
He talked a lot and argued with Dana White, than he talked on twitter with Tyson Fury about making super heavyweight fight with him, so maybe his mind will not be 100% on Gane.
Whatever happens I think that this could be great fight to watch, and Jon Jones will have to take notes if he ever returns and stops with drinking and beating females.

[YuginKadoya]

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Oh! jeremypwr's Multi-master challenge thanks for sharing, will post later while I fix my list of picks,

Ngannou not likely to sign another contract with the UFC, unless they give him a hefty pay rise. Wonder how Dana will handle it, if he gives money to Ngannou, he'll need to give it to other fighters also, which could open a can of worms.

I'd like to see a pay restructure since most fighters on the card are criminally underpaid when you compare it with other sports, and we've had this discussion before about MMA fighters needing to pay higher fees than boxers due to learning multiple disciplines.

That is why Francis Ngannou would like to switch on boxing, and he then added that he really like the sport of boxing, and speaking of UFC underpaid fighters, I think Francis Ngannou is on the right track in demanding higher payment, I think this is the most anticipated match on the UFC right now and well it can be a more profitable fight on the history of the event on the UFC, but Francis Ngannou needs to win this, he needs to prove himself to Dana White that he deserves much more, but this could even open a new book for Francis Ngannou if he losses,

Weird, every other gambling website I've looked at had similar odds even the local bookies has it at similar odds. It's only Sportsbet that's got Ngannou as a favourite. Everywhere else I've looked its currently around 2.25 for Ngannou, and 1.66 for Gane.

Stake odds, 2.30 for Ngannou and 1.68 for Gane, well I think there will be different odds on different bookings and I think this is OK regarding the fact that both fighters could really win against each other, Ngannou with a 1 punch and Gane with his outstanding speed and movement, anything can happen inside the octagon.

[Welsh]

If I understand the situation correctly Francis has one more fight on his contract which will expire with his fight this month, but the UFC has a champions clause which means if he wins he has to have another fight so it could be an interesting situation if his contract keeps getting extended. If he wins (or keeps winning) then he's going to have to keep fighting, but if he loses his stock will drop and is someone like Fury going to want to fight him then?

I actually wasn't aware of this, being contractually tied to the UFC basically if he continues to win. I'm not sure if this is something I should factor in when betting on the fight. I've been wondering if Ngannou has his sights set on something else over the horizon, and therefore might not be as well prepared as he usually is for fights, and therefore end up losing on that basis. Though, if this is true, and he truly wants to make the move to another sport or organisation, then it was be in his benefit somewhat to lose so he doesn't get contractually tied to keep fighting.

Although, like you rightly point out if he loses he loses a big part of that fear factor which is what will get him big money elsewhere. I'm wondering if vacating the belt would be the best option if he beats Gane. That way, he doesn't technically lose, but I'm not sure how well the UFC have tied up that contract.

I know there's been issues in the past where the UFC haven't allowed fighters to fight in other sports because technically they're still tied to it. I believe even retired fighters looking to make a move into boxing to get a little bit of a retirement fund. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though.

[cabron]

In an interview Francis actually said he knock Gane out in sparring. Although things don't always happen in a real fight, Gane could do the same to Francis this time. So those odds might change soon.

Yeah, but I believe this was refuted by Gane so its a classic hype building statement, which can't be proved either way, and its his word against Gane. So, I'd take that with a pinch of salt, especially since in sparring you aren't meant to be knocking out anyone.

If they're doing light sparring which I believe is what the video was showing they don't tend to wear head guards, but when they start pressing on the gas a little any respectable training facility will insist on head guards. Even then, its not meant to be knocking out your training partner.

Like I said this is likely the classic pre fight build up rather than anything truthful.

I'm not sure if the video where they fight without headgear is a sparring video. But then surely this is to hype the fight. They may not say it loudly but they are becoming enemies for sure with his words against his word.

Do you guys think Francis will deliberately sell this fight to free himself from the UFC?
Going for boxing might just be worth it for Francis after all he will have a fallback if the plan doesn't work. If it were me, I'd take the shot of opportunity.

[hilariousetc]

But where is he going to go?  The UFC is the best and the biggest MMA organization in the world.  

I though he wanted to try himself in boxing. But with stamina he has, there is nothing for him to catch there. He wont stand half of the fight against a real pro boxer, against someone with a good record. Besides, he is old. He is 35. I think it is unable to train your stamina at this age to be able to fight 12 rounds. He has been training mma since 2013, and before that did a year or two of boxing. Will he really be ready to stand against boxer that been training since childhood? You can be a successful boxer if the only skill you have is powerful punches.

Well he's only two years older than Tyson Fury. He doesn't really need stamina either. He'll almost certainly try end the fight within a round or two by just swinging one of those bombs and hopes he gets a KO, which is entirely possible in my opinion. I'd really actually like to see the Ngannou/Fury fight. Ngannou could easily knock Fury out but he won't outbox him but it will be interesting to see Fury pull out his best rope-a-dope and Matrix moves to dodge them.

If I understand the situation correctly Francis has one more fight on his contract which will expire with his fight this month, but the UFC has a champions clause which means if he wins he has to have another fight so it could be an interesting situation if his contract keeps getting extended. If he wins (or keeps winning) then he's going to have to keep fighting, but if he loses his stock will drop and is someone like Fury going to want to fight him then?

I actually wasn't aware of this, being contractually tied to the UFC basically if he continues to win. I'm not sure if this is something I should factor in when betting on the fight. I've been wondering if Ngannou has his sights set on something else over the horizon, and therefore might not be as well prepared as he usually is for fights, and therefore end up losing on that basis. Though, if this is true, and he truly wants to make the move to another sport or organisation, then it was be in his benefit somewhat to lose so he doesn't get contractually tied to keep fighting.

Although, like you rightly point out if he loses he loses a big part of that fear factor which is what will get him big money elsewhere. I'm wondering if vacating the belt would be the best option if he beats Gane. That way, he doesn't technically lose, but I'm not sure how well the UFC have tied up that contract.

I know there's been issues in the past where the UFC haven't allowed fighters to fight in other sports because technically they're still tied to it. I believe even retired fighters looking to make a move into boxing to get a little bit of a retirement fund. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though.

I really can't call the fight at all. I think either Ngannou gets a KO or it goes the distance and Gane wins on points. It could end up being boring like the Derick Lewis fight if neither want to commit. I also wonder how much of Francis' heart is in this fight. Losing could be a win-win if it frees him up from his UFC contact. Him losing on points probably wouldn't be a bad thing for him. From what I understand it seems Ngannou is interested in re-signing with the UFC but wants a clause in his contract that allows him to box as well. Dana should probably compromise and give it to him or allow him to do it and get a 10% cut of the fight or something. It would be a huge loss for the UFC if he leaves and more more fighters will end up going when they know they can get get huge sums for these super-star cross-promotion boxing fights. Connor got an exception with Mayweather so it's not impossible. That was a co-promotion with the UFC and I believe Dana got quite a hefty cut of McGregor's purse so it's probably something he should consider letting some of the other UFC superstars do, otherwise he risks losing them all together. Win or lose in boxing Ngannou could probably retire on the paycheque he gets from Fury so it probably doesn't matter too much what actually happens and if he wins there'll probably be rematch for even more money.

[Betwrong]

I did say few days ago that I see value in betting on Francis Ngannou to win against Ciryl Gane, but there is some doubt because he is not laser focused this time.
He talked a lot and argued with Dana White, than he talked on twitter with Tyson Fury about making super heavyweight fight with him, so maybe his mind will not be 100% on Gane.
Whatever happens I think that this could be great fight to watch, and Jon Jones will have to take notes if he ever returns and stops with drinking and beating females.

I did this mistake before: I watched UFC 267 pre-fight press conference with Khamzat Chimaev and Li Jingliang presenting among others, and it seemed to me that Chimaev was so nervous and insecure that he will lose the fight to Li Jingliang within 30 seconds. Yet, as we all know, this was not what happened.

Now, I know that Ngannou looks a bit underdogish for this fight, but I bet on him because, firstly, I like to bet on the underdog, you get high multipliers, and, secondly, in my personal opinion, Ngannou's chance of winning is above 50%.

[Welsh]

Might be worth edging your bets on either Ngannou TKO or Gane via decision. I think we can all agree we don't realistically see Ngannou winning via anything else, and Gane probably has a slim chance of knocking out Ngannou.

From what I understand it seems Ngannou is interested in re-signing with the UFC but wants a clause in his contract that allows him to box as well. Dana should probably compromise and give it to him or allow him to do it and get a 10% cut of the fight or something. It would be a huge loss for the UFC if he leaves and more more fighters will end up going when they know they can get get huge sums for these super-star cross-promotion boxing fights. Connor got an exception with Mayweather so it's not impossible. That was a co-promotion with the UFC and I believe Dana got quite a hefty cut of McGregor's purse so it's probably something he should consider letting some of the other UFC superstars do, otherwise he risks losing them all together.

Personally, I wish fighters weren't held ransom by Dana as much. They shouldn't be restricted in participating in a different sport to MMA, I get that Dana doesn't want fighters moving to another organisation, while still contracted to the UFC. I get that, but the only reason they'd do that is because of money, so make it worth their while, so they wouldn't have too.

Obviously, you'll get those that are just out there to make as much money as possible, so I get the idea of limiting it to other organisations, but to boxing? I don't think so. Maybe, Dana could potentially restrict it to signing on a multiple contract basis, but allow them to fight the one of fight every so often. It doesn't hurt Dana, and if a UFC fighter does well in boxing it could potentially bring in new fans to the UFC.

Now, I know that Ngannou looks a bit underdogish for this fight, but I bet on him because, firstly, I like to bet on the underdog, you get high multipliers, and, secondly, in my personal opinion, Ngannou's chance of winning is above 50%.

From an outcome perspective, I'd say Gane has a chance of submission, and points with a outside chance of knocking him out. While Ngannou has a chance of knockout, potentially a very slim chance of a submission. So, I'd say that purely from a outcome perspective Gane has the better probability because of his tools at his disposal. However, we know the power of Ngannou, but we also know the movement of Gane.

This is probably one of the hardest to call fights in the heavyweight division for some time. Completely opposite fighters, but you can never really rule out a power hitting such as Ngannou.

[TopTort777]

About Gane movement, I have noticed that he due to his good footwork and head moves, he likes to dive under punches and counter attack. Ngannou beloved punch is an uppercut. This might end badly if one connects another. Also, in late round, when Gane feels confident he put his hands down (check his fight against Lewis). That half a second to put fists back to chin might not be enough against Ngannou. Despite this, I see no other weak parts in Gane.