🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[TopTort777]

Another difference I think is in managers fee.

Found some numbers in the internet:

The average professional boxer could make between $22000 and $37000 a year, according to Combat Sports Events. Shocking as it may sound, beginner boxers could earn less than $1000 per fight..

And if I google UFC fighter salary, I usually came across "10k minimum". If an average UFC fighter has 2-4 fights per year, then he is in a better situation than boxers.

In boxing we have WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and The Ring. I never heard of any other organizations. In MMA there are 27 and lots of local organizations. I think chances to earn in MMA are higher than in boxing.

Its been said UFC fighters can receive free training and free meals at the UFC Performance Institute in Las Vegas.

They receive also a free housing there, but they pay a % of their winnings for all that benefits. So if a fighters earn 10k then it might be cheap place to prepare for the fight, but if he earns 500k, then it is not

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[tokeweed]

^  UFC fighters get paid good money for wearing their Venum gear, that Crypto.com sweat gear and everybody gets paid by Monster energy drink.  That’s at least 10k USD right there per fight.

^  Yeah but that’s not the point, the line on Ankalaev at 11.00 is good value.  And that line already went down.  I think it was double that around 21.00 - 23.00 before the sharps came in.  

I don't really know why he went down but maybe because Paulo Costa buts in the Light Heavyweight division, and yes a Glover Teixeira fighting a young Magomed Ankalaev could be a good match, but I am just saying that I like Jiri Prochazka too, but not as much as Magomed Ankalaev, and now that Paulo Costa is in the division, I really never see him as a threat for these guys,

And on Magny, he was talking months before.  I think even before Chimaev’s last match, I’m not sure.  And if ever that match up happens, man...  Magny is gonna get rag dolled by the Russian.  There should be a market for guessing how many Russian champs will there be by the end of 2022.  Lol.  I def think there will be at least two, Yan and Makhachev.

Edit:  Ankalaev...  Three!  

If you would look at each Division each division has a Russian fighter in it,

Flyweight Division - Tagir Ulanbekov, Askar Askarov, And the new Flyweight Khabib, that I forgot the name.

Lightweight Division - Islam Makhachev,

Welterweight Division - Belal Muhammad, Khamzat Chimaev, and Muslim Salikhov

Light Heavyweight Division - Magomed Ankalaev, and Nikita Krylov

Heavyweight Division - Shamil Abdurakhimov and Sergei Pavlovich

Many are from the Dagestan and have the same technique as the eagle Khabib Nurmagomenodov.

Askar Askarov could be champ!  That’s 4 Russians having the possibilty of getting the belt in their respective divisions.  Askarov is lined at 6.50 or something.  The rest of the guys aren’t that great imho...  Like Salikhov, this guy’s good and I have him to beat Michel Pereira on Jan 15 but he won’t get the chance to fight for the belt like the rest of those guys.  And Salikhov is 37 years old.

Oh and Belal Muhammad is not Russian.  He was born and grew up in Chicago.  The dude is basically white washed.  

[notblox1]

UFC fighters get paid good money for wearing their Venum gear, that Crypto.com sweat gear and everybody gets paid by Monster energy drink.  That’s at least 10k USD right there per fight.

Fighters spend a lot of money on training camps so that 10K is not enough to cover everything, and most of the money sponsors are giving is going directly to UFC and I think fighters are getting small share.
No fighters is allowed to sign any separate deal with any sponsor and that tells you everything you need to know.
Nobody wants to reveal exact earnings but we know that many complained about paychecks and UFC is not allowing them to create some union

[Welsh]

(This is just my opinion, not an argument, I fully respect your opinions)

Yeah, I get that you make good points. Although, the released figures are likely speculation based on news sources, and probably aren't confirmed by the UFC. I would imagine that the UFC have it contractually tied up to talk about the exact figures. Though, we definitely do know that its on the low side. The only that's really confirmed is the bonuses on the night.

I'm not trying to make an excuse for Dana here, I'm 100 percent on the side of increasing the wages considering what they do. I'd probably be on the side of asking for reductions in Boxing, and other sports though. Although, to be fair UFC fighters are criminally underpaid if the reported figures are to be believed, when you compare them to other professional sports.

Though, she definitely has more money to her name, as well as other fighters since they also get sponsorships, and we know that the sponsorships pay fairly well. I wouldn't be too far taken back if the sponsorships are paying fighters better than the actual production.

[Betwrong]

~ I'm not trying to make an excuse for Dana here, I'm 100 percent on the side of increasing the wages considering what they do. I'd probably be on the side of asking for reductions in Boxing, and other sports though. Although, to be fair UFC fighters are criminally underpaid if the reported figures are to be believed, when you compare them to other professional sports.

Though, she definitely has more money to her name, as well as other fighters since they also get sponsorships, and we know that the sponsorships pay fairly well. I wouldn't be too far taken back if the sponsorships are paying fighters better than the actual production.

Now, after researching a bit, I think she does have more money to her name than it is stated on those sites(around $500k). I think they don't take into account sponsorships, and maybe some other things, because I came across very different numbers

According to International Business Times, there are three salary tiers that a UFC fighter can fall into: low, medium, and high, with the lowest earners taking home between $10,000 and $30,000, and the highest tier raking in between $500,000 and $3,000,000 per fight.

and I believe they are closer to the truth. Knowing that Claudia Gadelha was paid $100,000 for only one fight, when she lost to Joanna Jedrzejczyk it's hard to believe that her lifetime earnings is only $500k. But, on the other hand, it wasn't an ordinary fight. You can't have many of them during your career. So, I absolutely agree with you regarding increasing the wages.

[Welsh]

The only fighter I can  think of who probably wasn't included in the tiers according to the business times is Conor Mcgregor. Yeah, he branched out, and invested elsewhere, but surely he was being paid more than 3 million dollars per fight. Unless, UFC does have some sort of limit based on a tier, and Conor was getting most of his money from sponsorships. I know for low level stuff unrelated to MMA the sponsorships can be high, so I can't imagine the figures they'd be offering for a broadcast watched by millions every week.

[TopTort777]

We havent spoken about Conor McGregor for a long time

Did you see his latest photos? The guy is seriously bulking. I just dont know what for? He is nothing to rely on welterweight. Nearly every top5 fighter there is dangerous for him. And his to small for middleweight.

I see rumors him fighting against Tony Ferguson. This can be an easy fight for him imho, plus Data White told that Conor need to have one fight before he will be given a chance for a title fight. Conor is like a smallest child in family, he always gets what he wants. He will win Tony, Tony will fight as I think he needs money, and Tony is still a popular fighter in UFC. They Conor will have a title fight. This scenario looks like two big $ $ in Danas eyes

[Welsh]

I'm sorry, I may have relight the fire for Conor discussions. I've seen the photos, and he's definitely looking a lot bulkier around his chest, and shoulders. Not exactly sure what for, if he moves up it just seems like hes avoiding the 155 division due to the people that's beat him recently. Surely, if he's going to return he needs to prove he can beat them first.

Conor doesn't deserve a title fight, and I think it was Justin who made a comment about it recently that he would just pack things up, and throw his toys out of his pram. Obviously, I'm paraphrasing there, but I would have to agree. It would be absolutely disgraceful if Conor got another title shot, even if he fights one fight before getting the chance. In my opinion, he needs to go through the rankings again, he has dropped a considerable amount in a lot of peoples eyes.

Lost a lot of respect as a fighter, person, and he didn't really have much of the latter in the first place. If hes coming back he needs to do it the right way, and rediscover whatever hes lost in the last few years. I'm not ignoring that Conor will always be relevant due to his stature in UFC history, but he absolutely doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a title fight.

[TheNineClub]

those earnings are before you calculate in tax, camp expenses, management and trainer fees, living costs in the US...

Its been said UFC fighters can receive free training and free meals at the UFC Performance Institute in Las Vegas. In addition they're supposed to receive royalties for all of their signature items in the UFC store that are sold. Those are probably the two biggest changes in recent times that fly beneath the radar.

I would seriously be curious to know how much bellator MMA fighters profit from dude wipes sponsorships. There have been claims of 5 or 6 figure payouts but somehow I don't think dude wipes has the cash to throw six figures at MMA fighters in bellator.

Interestingly enough, Rory MacDonald was publicized as receiving a 6 figure sponsorship payout from dashcoin when he competed at bellator. That claim might have been legit. In that there could be some truth to claims of large sponsorship payouts outside the UFC if only on a limited basis.

Yeah, I'm sure there are some deals where a fighter does not have to pay for food and board, however, most of those deals are made with not yet established fighters that live train, and eat at the facility. Also, yes, the UFC training facility does offer that, but not everyone is willing to relocate to Las Vegas.

As for sponsorships, yeah, there was much more money to be made before the rebook deal, and Rory was one of the more outspoken fighters that lost money when rebook set in.

[notblox1]

Someone made this funny and scary poster of Aljamain Sterling hiding from Petr Yan, but he is now saying that he wants to shut these clowns up by beating Petr Yan in a rematch fight.
He was not fighting since UFC 259 and first fight with Yan, and I think that his sponsors are not so happy about this fake champion doing nothing, while Yan had a fight in the end of october with Cory Sandhagen.
I can't wait for this fight to happen to see Yan kicking his ass for real this time, and not using his knees at all

[YuginKadoya]

Askar Askarov could be champ!  That’s 4 Russians having the possibilty of getting the belt in their respective divisions.  Askarov is lined at 6.50 or something.  The rest of the guys aren’t that great imho...  Like Salikhov, this guy’s good and I have him to beat Michel Pereira on Jan 15 but he won’t get the chance to fight for the belt like the rest of those guys.  And Salikhov is 37 years old.

Oh and Belal Muhammad is not Russian.  He was born and grew up in Chicago.  The dude is basically white washed.  

Well included fighters that I think is Russian, but I was shocked Belal Muhammad is not from Russia, but a Palestinian but raised in Chicago, Illinois sorry I really thought he is Russian, but anyway yes 4 Russian fighters could possibly get the belt in a different division, But looking forward to those 4 Russian if they can really obtain what they want,

UFC 270

Well I know the fight will be on January 2022 the UFC 270 I am pretty much excited about it well going on their Sparring video if you have seen it online here is a screenshot




If you have watched the video man Ciryl Gane looks very agile than Francis Ngannou, much faster and surely has technical skills, but yes sparring is not considered an official match and we can not see all of their technique, and sometimes they are very different when it comes to an official fight, but this sparring is so fun to watch and Francis Ngannou says in an interview that he looks really bad in those Sparring videos, but this is all tactics and he will show a very different one on the real match, but pretty much I am very excited for UFC 270.

[tokeweed]

UFC fighters get paid good money for wearing their Venum gear, that Crypto.com sweat gear and everybody gets paid by Monster energy drink.  That’s at least 10k USD right there per fight.

Fighters spend a lot of money on training camps so that 10K is not enough to cover everything, and most of the money sponsors are giving is going directly to UFC and I think fighters are getting small share.
No fighters is allowed to sign any separate deal with any sponsor and that tells you everything you need to know.
Nobody wants to reveal exact earnings but we know that many complained about paychecks and UFC is not allowing them to create some union

No way a fighter spends more than he or she can earn and spend it in a training camp.  And afaik, the trainers get a percentage of the fighters’ purse as per agreement.  Cos if fighters spend more than they can earn on training then we wouldn’t have the early prelim cards.  Lol.  There wouldn’t be fighters who can afford to be in the UFC.

And that 10k is just from Venum, Crypto.com and Monster energy drink.  The UFC pays an average of around 25k to 30k for early prelim fighters, double at prelims.  So all in all not bad compared to boxing that pays just 1k for new fighters.

[Welsh]

Interesting, I wasn't aware that the money in boxing is just for the bigger fights, though I guess it makes sense when they pay upwards to a hundred million for certain fighters. Although, I always try, and take reported figures with a pinch of salt since I always find the media report inflated prices as a way of getting more people to click their articles. As far as I'm aware the contracts specifically state that the rewards for winning, losing or whatever are not to be disclosed to a third party.

If boxing is only paying 1k for new fighters I find that a little unfair, and maybe both UFC, and boxing need a restructure.

[YuginKadoya]

Interesting, I wasn't aware that the money in boxing is just for the bigger fights, though I guess it makes sense when they pay upwards to a hundred million for certain fighters. Although, I always try, and take reported figures with a pinch of salt since I always find the media report inflated prices as a way of getting more people to click their articles. As far as I'm aware the contracts specifically state that the rewards for winning, losing or whatever are not to be disclosed to a third party.

If boxing is only paying 1k for new fighters I find that a little unfair, and maybe both UFC, and boxing need a restructure.

They tend to hype an event and I think that is a normal thing so many would buy their tickets mostly influencers like the Logan Brothers tend to have many followers that is why the fight is on the hype the Logan Brother is pretty well known on their youtube channel that is why their fans that well-known to boxing and doesn't really like boxing could be bought the fights ticket and Jake Paul that is not a pro boxer that is why many are curious about the fight and the hype towards both fighter while giving their best curses to each other will surely hype the fight, and surely even though Jake Paul would knock out some UFC fighters I think he promises them a lot of sum of money,

Dana White sure needs to think twice he needs to pay his fighters much credit because their life is at stake here if you would because when you look at Conor McGregor's paycheck in the UFC it is $5 Million but when he fought Floyd Mayweather inside the ring with boxing he made $85 Million USD well this is just an example you can search it on the internet, I truly believe that UFC gross in paying up their fighters with 1 event even if the event would have a guaranteed $195 Million in pay preview that will be divided in every fighter and as usual the big numbers will be on Dana Whites part, and because there are many fighters involve in 1 event, while with Boxing 1 event earnings will completely be going to the 2 fighters and their show fee as well.

[TopTort777]

All these talks about UFC salaries started after YouTubers started to beat UFC fighters and boast with high payment and easy money. Jake Paul vs Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley - Jake trolled Dana White with huge cheques and numbers of PPV sold. Jake Paul was planned to fight Tommy Fury, but after Tommy got injured, he has fought Woodley for the second. Long story short, only 65k PPV were sold I think that every UFC event gets +100k PPV sold. Found that UFC 268 sold 700k PPV. I think UFC 269 (Poirier vs Oliveira) sold even more, and Ngannou vs Gane is definitely gonna set a record.

[notblox1]

No way a fighter spends more than he or she can earn and spend it in a training camp.  And afaik, the trainers get a percentage of the fighters’ purse as per agreement.  Cos if fighters spend more than they can earn on training then we wouldn’t have the early prelim cards.  Lol.  There wouldn’t be fighters who can afford to be in the UFC.

No they are not spending more than they are earning, but most of them are just surviving doing one of the most dangerous combat sport on earth.
I watched some interviews and fighters spoke how much they pay for fight camps, and it's lot more money than you think.
Higher ranked fighters does earn much more if they are unbeatable like Khabib or if they trashtalk like McGregor did in his prime.

And that 10k is just from Venum, Crypto.com and Monster energy drink.  The UFC pays an average of around 25k to 30k for early prelim fighters, double at prelims.  So all in all not bad compared to boxing that pays just 1k for new fighters.

Boxers don't have middleman and they don't work for anyone so they are getting complete payment, not just percentage from deal.
They can have any sponsors they choose, and they don't have to pay many coaches for all different sports.
Dana White is saying that MMA fighters earn more but that was expected to hear from him, but UFC is top league so fighters in other organization earn much less.

Floyd Mayweather earned more than $560 million
vs
Conor McGregor earned around  $15 million

[YuginKadoya]

All these talks about UFC salaries started after YouTubers started to beat UFC fighters and boast with high payment and easy money. Jake Paul vs Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley - Jake trolled Dana White with huge cheques and numbers of PPV sold. Jake Paul was planned to fight Tommy Fury, but after Tommy got injured, he has fought Woodley for the second. Long story short, only 65k PPV were sold I think that every UFC event gets +100k PPV sold. Found that UFC 268 sold 700k PPV. I think UFC 269 (Poirier vs Oliveira) sold even more, and Ngannou vs Gane is definitely gonna set a record.

Well, they surely get different income in every PPV, maybe depending on the situation as well, and maybe because of the holiday season people just tend to put money on their mouths than to see a boxing match between a retired UFC fighter and a Youtuber, well just like I have said that 65k will surely be divided into both fighters depending on the outcome, while that 700k PPV a huge sum of that will go to Dana White, I don't really say that Dana White is doing wrong and that is his money he can do whatever he wants with it, and we can not compare UFC fights with a Basketball match, and a boxing match because we will definitely would get Different PPV well I am just saying that White should be considerate with his fighters and might as well give them a large cut on the profit because fighters are prone to injuries, and I am not talking about injuries that can be dealt with healing in time, but injuries that are lifetime, and fighters like this should get some support from the UFC management that are unable to work because of the UFC, But yeah Dana White is not generous enough to do such things,

Well Ngannou VS Gane could surely hit a new record again, a much-awaited match was between these two Heavyweights, so that is for sure.

[Welsh]

No they are not spending more than they are earning, but most of them are just surviving doing one of the most dangerous combat sport on earth.
I watched some interviews and fighters spoke how much they pay for fight camps, and it's lot more money than you think.
Higher ranked fighters does earn much more if they are unbeatable like Khabib or if they trashtalk like McGregor did in his prime.

If we look at the statistics boxing is probably considered more dangerous due to the long term effects that getting punched in the head does, compared to hard blows, but non repeated punches. Obviously, the research is still being conducted (including other sports like football), but I expect that Boxing does have more long term effects, especially considering the effect that the boxing glove has, i.e padding the blows allowing more blows than a smaller glove like the UFC does.

Since, if you get hurt in UFC its likely game over, and if its not your trying to dive to the legs, and survive. Boxing, quite often the blow isn't enough to knock you over, but your dazed enough to not know exactly what's going on, and therefore take more shots.

All these talks about UFC salaries started after YouTubers started to beat UFC fighters and boast with high payment and easy money. Jake Paul vs Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley - Jake trolled Dana White with huge cheques and numbers of PPV sold. Jake Paul was planned to fight Tommy Fury, but after Tommy got injured, he has fought Woodley for the second. Long story short, only 65k PPV were sold I think that every UFC event gets +100k PPV sold. Found that UFC 268 sold 700k PPV. I think UFC 269 (Poirier vs Oliveira) sold even more, and Ngannou vs Gane is definitely gonna set a record.

It annoys me as a fan, I can't imagine how annoyed MMA fighters are to see that people like Jake Paul who are completely new to the sport are making more money in one fight than most UFC fighters will ever hold in their careers. Its quite sickening, I'm not sure if that's Dana's fault though or if its just the ridiculous amount of money that Boxing has come to spend.

[Hydrogen]

As for sponsorships, yeah, there was much more money to be made before the rebook deal, and Rory was one of the more outspoken fighters that lost money when rebook set in.

Before the reebok deal, there was a famous incident in 2010 where Tito Ortiz of punishment athletic clothing promised to pay Jason Brilz $500 for having their logo on his fight shorts.

Jason Brilz won his fight and received $0 of the $500 he was promised in sponsorship fees. Many MMA fighters promised sponsorship money in that era, never got the deal in writing and were never paid.

Its very hard to get an accurate picture of the MMA sponsorship landscape. It has such a long history with many cases where people exaggerate or say things that aren't true. Which makes it hard to tell what really happens behind the scenes.

[TheNineClub]

As for sponsorships, yeah, there was much more money to be made before the rebook deal, and Rory was one of the more outspoken fighters that lost money when rebook set in.

Before the reebok deal, there was a famous incident in 2010 where Tito Ortiz of punishment athletic clothing promised to pay Jason Brilz $500 for having their logo on his fight shorts.

Jason Brilz won his fight and received $0 of the $500 he was promised in sponsorship fees. Many MMA fighters promised sponsorship money in that era, never got the deal in writing and were never paid.

Its very hard to get an accurate picture of the MMA sponsorship landscape. It has such a long history with many cases where people exaggerate or say things that aren't true. Which makes it hard to tell what really happens behind the scenes.

Ok, I am sure there were incidences, but I think you can count how many times a certain brand appeared on someone's shorts at that time, and if it's more than once then you bet they didn't do it for free. Now, promising some money and having an actual contract between two parties where one can be legally obligated to pay the other are two different things. I am 100% positive lesser-known fighters made handshake deals and a promise of pay they never got. And as for fighters exaggerating, all I know is they were pissed that Reebok took over and that they couldn't get any outside sponsorships. exaggeration or not, I am inclined to believe the fighters than anything else.