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May 14, 2015, 06:14:51 PM
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Everybody, apart from the mob´s co-psychopaths and excessively gullible retards following it, are obviously aghast at the mob´s boycott of Moscow´s Victory Day. But, maybe some damage control:

Secretary of State John Kerry's four hours of talks Tuesday with Vladimir Putin in the Black Sea resort of Sochi may not have resulted in an overnight détente.

But they offer the strongest hint in months that US-Russian relations may yet weather the crisis unleashed by Moscow's annexation of the Ukrainian territory of Crimea just over a year ago.

Russian observers are putting the best face on the flurry of diplomatic activity, which also saw German Chancellor Angela Merkel jet into Moscow on Sunday to lay a wreath in honor of Russian Victory Day and hold talks with Mr. Putin. That, plus Mr. Kerry's visit, suggests that Western governments may be trying to limit the damage from their boycott of Russia's massive V-Day military parade last weekend, and at least keep open the lines of communication with Russian leaders in dealing with major global problems such as Ukraine, Syria, and Iran.


http://www.adn.com/article/20150514/return-pragmatism-russia-west-ties-kerry-putin-talks-hint-way

I see some still don't give up on describing Russian Crimea as Ukrainian...

On that topic, I wrote an article that some might find interesting...

And what about restoration of territorial integrity of Russia..?
http://stanislavs.org/and-what-about-restoration-of-territorial-integrity-of-russia/

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May 14, 2015, 07:08:48 PM
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Yeah, yeah the Crimea slipping through their fingers was the worst setback for the mob in their whole Ukraine scam. Imagine relieving the Russians of their hugely important Sevastopol base and totally dominating Russia´s southern flank. That gone along with the Donbass of course there was little left worthwhile for the mob in Ukraine except expenses and headaches. All that´s left for the mob there now, like in all the other basket cases it has created, is to scam others into picking up the pieces and paying the bills. They break it, they never buy it.

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May 14, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h77fAsiEYyM

Ukrainian TV does a story about Ukrainian guy who gets captured by Novorussian troops, he tells that he was tortured, that they burned him with a soldering iron and such. As it turns out, while in Donbass, he was treated like one of their own and pleaded to everyone saying this was a war between brothers.  The video was sent to Ukrainian blogger Arthur Senko who published it after some debate.
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May 14, 2015, 08:21:56 PM
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There are russian special forces troops in Donetsk that are mixed with local russian criminal mob and ex-convicts from mainland Russia. I been there, did my best to eliminate all of them.

Russian Special forces are cruel and committed war crimes like executing Ukrainian army POWs to later show the bodies to TV news crews as killed in combat. But nothing compares them to local so called "russian ethnic minority". They looted and killed at will because they were allowed to do so. The good thing is that the local mob was not a challenge. Compared to amply equipped and trained GRU special troops and SPETSNAZ it was not a challenge to kill the criminal gangs.

It is hard to speak what is going on there. But believe me, the crypto247 is a paid troll that is spreading lies. Ukrainians are not killing innocent civilians. Even the vilified volunteer regiments are not shooting innocent people.

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May 14, 2015, 08:36:54 PM
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Considering mob media´s news blackout of what´s going on in Ukraine this is certainly worthy of note.

IMF demands will make most Ukrainians homeless - Finance Minister of Ukraine

May 14, 2015

Rusvesna

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Fulfilling the requirements of the IMF will make the majority of Ukrainians homeless - said the Minister of Finance of Ukraine, according to Ukrainian portal MIGnews.

The International Monetary Fund expects the Ukrainian authorities to adopt such laws which will make the majority of the population in the country homeless, said the Finance Minister of American origin Natalie Jaresko.

According to her, one of the outstanding issues before the transfer to the Ukrainian authorities of the next IMF loan is the failure of the Verkhovna Rada to pass some bills.

In particular, the following: "The bills related to improving the capabilities of "Naftogaz" to collect their receivables. We are talking about the removal of various existing barriers, which currently do not allow this," - said Jaresko.

According to her, there are two such problem bills. "One of these bills, I know, is on the agenda of the Verkhovna Rada on Thursday, and the second one the government will have to submit a second time, since it failed to pass", — said the Minister of Finance.

Currently in Ukraine there is a moratorium on forced evictions of debtors. This is justified under conditions of a severe economic crisis in Ukraine, frozen wages and social benefits.

The consequence of the crisis was the rise in unemployment and a sharp fall in real incomes. People are objectively unable to pay the utility bills, which the government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk raised several times.

The second bill will make the rates profitable for the utility companies. Currently the utility companies are mostly municipal and are subsidized from the budget, operating without profit or at low profit.

The adoption of the law, rejected by Parliament, will allow to raise utility prices several more times — now by decisions of the enterprises themselves, which will be granted such a right.

The adoption of this law will make Ukrainian housing and utility services attractive for foreign companies, emphasized earlier Prime Minister of Ukraine Yatsenyuk.

In case of adoption of these IMF bills the utility rates will increase several more times, the housing sector will pass to foreign companies, which will begin evicting Ukrainians from their homes for non-payment.

Ukraine in the framework of the joint program with the International Monetary Fund expects to receive a second tranche of approximately $1.7 billion.

http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/05/imf-demands-will-make-most-ukrainians.html

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May 14, 2015, 09:06:26 PM
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The truth is that Ukraine is currently between two evils. First evil is the russian military invasion combined with disinformation campaign. The second evil is the western capitalists with economic and political intervention. The russians will kill quick and painfully. The western capitalists, zionists and new world order will kill slowly by economical means. They all are deadly each in their own way. It is clear to my frontline comrades. And they must rule Ukraine and lead it in future as truly independent, unified and strong national and social country!

How much Igla missiles will be needed to take down plane carrying IMF delegates? Single missile! And how much bullets will be required to take down those who will negotiate with either russians or western politicians? You answer!

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Former White House Official Says U.S. Already At War With Russia & China

December 26, 2014

Today a former White House official stunned King World News by saying the United States is already at war with China and Russia.  Former presidential adviser and member of the U.S. President's Working Group on Financial Markets, Dr. Philippa Malmgren, also discussed how and where this dangerous war is taking place and why the public is totally unaware of it up to now.

Eric King:  “Because you are friends with former defense ministers you are up to speed on geopolitics, but I kind of laughed because NATO was talking about creating a ‘Spearhead Force’ of 3,000 – 4,000 soldiers, and the United States said they are going to send 100 tanks to the Baltic States. (Laughter)”

Dr. Malmgren:  “Yes." (Laughter).

Eric King:  “The reason I’m laughing is because just one battle in World War II, the Battle of Kursk in Russia, involved 2,000,000 men, 6,000 tanks, and 4,000 aircraft.  I laugh because what does the West think it’s going to do by getting 3,000 – 4,000 men together and sending 100 tanks up against Russia? (Laughter).  It’s comical.”

Dr. Malmgren:  “I was commissioned to write a 90 page study.  That gets into this issue of how modern wars are conducted.  It isn’t with boots on the ground and tanks any more.  Increasingly these things (wars) are fought in cyberspace and we’ve seen that happen recently with North Korea.  Cyberwarfare and space is really where the action is….

"The United States, Russia, and China are all vying for dominance over high-altitude satellites, which dominate all the guidance and communications systems for the conduct of warfare.  And increasingly (we are seeing) stealthy methods of conducting conflict.

For example, the Russians have been very active recently in showing their dominance in the Baltic Sea, which dictates who dominants Scandinavia and the Baltic countries.  And in doing that, it’s not that they have so many ships or better quality ships, it’s how effectively they’ve been able to show they can take territory if they want to.

The Danes released a report showing that during the largest naval exercise held last summer by the Russians, since the Soviet period, in part what they were doing was practicing taking and seizing an island in the Baltic which currently belongs to Denmark.  And it was so interesting they (Russia) picked the very week that the Danes held the equivalent of Davos — the meeting where every single political leader in that nation happens to be on that island at that time.

The question is:  If the Russians were to take a Danish island, would President Obama respond?  And I think the Russian view is, 'No.'  That’s an interesting question because then it doesn’t even matter how many (men, tanks, and planes) you have.  The question is:  Would you be willing to deploy all of your capabilities, including in cyberspace and real space?  And the answer there is less obvious.

So think about the conduct of conflict because it may not look the same as it did in the past.  War is a subject where innovation matters.”

Eric King:  “So this next war is to be fought in space and over the internet?”

Dr. Malmgren:  “Conflict is already occurring in that arena.  And it’s interesting how the public either doesn’t know about it or doesn’t want to know about it.  I was recently at a meeting with a lot of very senior people from the defense community, and their view is that we are already in a nose-to-nose confrontation (war) with China and Russia.  But these (wars) are being conducted through cyberspace rather than through traditional conventional weapons.

Although having said that, we’ve had so many near misses between Russian fighter jets and NATO or American fighter jets.  There have been a huge number of air incursions by the Russians into western European airspace and Japanese airspace.  And the same with the Chinese — we’ve had a number of near misses. 

In fact, when President Obama did his recent trip to Asia he signed a deal with President Xi of China where they basically agreed to set up a hotline between Beijing and Washington that’s exclusively devoted to a ‘Near-miss’ between any U.S. or Asian allied aircraft or ships that might occur with Chinese aircraft or ships.

Now, you wouldn’t be doing that unless you were expecting more of these things to occur.  Meanwhile, there is no such hotline anymore between Washington and Moscow.” .....

http://kingworldnews.com/former-white-house-official-says-u-s-already-war-russia-china/




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Vladimir Putin calls Ukraine fascist and country’s new law helps make his case

As Ukraine continues its battle against separatists, corruption and a collapsing economy, it has taken a dangerous step that could further tear the country apart: Ukraine’s parliament, the Supreme Rada, passed a draft law last month honoring organizations involved in mass ethnic cleansing during World War Two.

The draft law — which is now on President Petro Poroshenko’s desk awaiting his signature — recognizes a series of Ukrainian political and military organizations as “fighters for Ukrainian independence in the 20th century” and bans the criticism of these groups and their members. (The bill doesn’t state the penalty for doing so.) Two of the groups honored — the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) — helped the Nazis carry out the Holocaust while also killing close to 100,000 Polish civilians during World War Two.

The law is part of a recent trend of contemporary Ukrainian nationalism promoted by those on the extreme right to break with the country’s Communist past and emphasize Ukraine’s suffering under the Soviet regime. In addition to the moral problem of forbidding the criticism of Holocaust perpetrators, the law hinders Ukraine’s European ambitions — and validates Russian President Vladimir Putin’s claims that the country is overrun by neo-Nazis. .....

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/14/putin-ties-ukraines-government-to-neo-nazis-a-new-law-seems-to-back-him-up/

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The truth is that Ukraine is currently between two evils. First evil is the russian military invasion combined with disinformation campaign. The second evil is the western capitalists with economic and political intervention. The russians will kill quick and painfully. The western capitalists, zionists and new world order will kill slowly by economical means. They all are deadly each in their own way. It is clear to my frontline comrades. And they must rule Ukraine and lead it in future as truly independent, unified and strong national and social country!

How much Igla missiles will be needed to take down plane carrying IMF delegates? Single missile! And how much bullets will be required to take down those who will negotiate with either russians or western politicians? You answer!

National, unified? You forgot to add "artificial" to that list. For it to become national and unified, someone will first have to kill about 20 million Russians living in the South-East, who don't want anything to do with Galicians from the West.

You may not know it, but South-Eastern Ukraine is populated largely by Russians - something that didn't change over the last 97 years of this region being administratively ascribed to Ukraine. Even despite the fact that over the last 23 years West-Ukrainians were relocated to these regions to mix with the locals and facilitate "Ukranisation". Here are a couple of links for your education:

http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/
http://stanislavs.org/and-what-about-restoration-of-territorial-integrity-of-russia/

Also, "Russian military invasion"? Care to give some proof, and please do better than Psaki?

There are russian special forces troops in Donetsk that are mixed with local russian criminal mob and ex-convicts from mainland Russia. I been there, did my best to eliminate all of them.

Here you admit to and take pride in commuting murders. I feel sorry for you, for that what once was human in you.
This will be my first and last reply to you, as I don't have anything else to say to someone who participates in armed interventionist aggression against Russian people.



Vicky Nudelman/Nuland met with Yatsenjuk yesterday. I expect there were no cookies this time. Judging by the previous such visits, expect an escalation of military aggression from Ukro-Nazis against Novorossia in the coming days.

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There are russian special forces troops in Donetsk that are mixed with local russian criminal mob and ex-convicts from mainland Russia. I been there, did my best to eliminate all of them.

There is only one side using the hard core criminals (most of them freed from prison, so that they could fight the wars) in Ukraine. And it is not the rebels who are employing them. Before you claim that this is all Russian propaganda, notice the source which I am giving below. The Kyiv Post is one of the most hardcore media tools of the junta.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/convicts-turned-cops-on-forefront-of-ukraines-battle-against-russia-381135.html
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Reading between the pipelines...


Macedonia - the next hot spot after Ukraine?

May 12, 2015

Nikolay Starikov

Translated by Kristina Rus



What is behind the events in Macedonia


The geopolitical games of USA around Ukraine have already led to a civil war in this country. Now to maintain the chaos near the borders of Russia and preserve the tension in the center of Europe, the U.S. is ready to plunge another European country into chaos — Macedonia.



The Turkish Stream

Macedonia is a fragment of Yugoslavia. The country is small and pretty quiet. But there is a source of tension. It's the Albanian diaspora of the country, which by some estimates is about 25% of population of Macedonia. Albania is next door. And next door is Serbia with Kosovo, virtually occupied by NATO. Where Albanian extremists have much freedom. The Albanian factor is used as a source of destabilization of Macedonia.

Who does it and why?

The purpose is clear if you look at the map.

1. Staging a coup in Ukraine, the U.S. uses the puppet authorities of this country to create tension in Russia. At any time Russian gas supply to Europe may be interrupted, which is a threat to the European economy. A start for such action on the part of Kiev can be anything – from siphoning gas to a terrorist act of "unknown separatists and terrorists". In the end, the US can always threaten and blackmail Russia and Europe with big problems, demanding concessions in the Ukrainian and other issues of world politics.


2. There is a solution to get rid of U.S. blackmail. For this a pipeline is needed bypassing Ukraine. But the U.S. put pressure on Bulgaria and construction of South stream was buried.


3. Then Russia started negotiations with Turkey to build a pipeline through the territory of this country. Now it is called "The Turkish Stream".


4. After passing Turkey the "pipe" should go to
 Greece. The strengthening of the Russian-Greek contacts, and Russia's willingness to help Greece with loans is the visible part of the negotiations on the construction of "The Stream".


5. Where will the Turkish Stream go after Greece? There are not many options. It is unlikely to go to Bulgaria, obviously, as the authorities of this country are "under" the Americans. The only option remains to lay the pipe through Macedonia, discussions of which were held in February 2015.


6. Then an attack of the Albanian militants from neighboring Kosovo happens to take place in Macedonia.


7. The goal – blocking construction of the Turkish stream.


8. A few days ago, Russia made a statement that the gas will go through Turkish pipe at the end of 2016. If this happens, the US will lose a trump card to put pressure on Russia and Europe, which will certainly lead to the end of the funding of Kiev regime by Europe and low prices for Russian gas. Ukraine will become something like an old suitcase for the U.S. - a pity to throw away, but expensive to repair. In this case, Washington may be forced to "leave" Ukraine (as I wrote in the article "Three prizes of Ukraine").


9. This will be a defeat for the U.S., which is trying to suffocate simultaneously with Russia the economies of their European allies.


10. That's why the States are willing at ANY cost to prevent the construction of the Turkish Stream, so the war in Ukraine and tensions in Europe will continue.


11. Remember who funded the Albanian fighters in Yugoslavia. Who did not allow the Serbs to destroy the terrorists in Kosovo and began to bomb Serbia. Who hid the crimes of  Albanian fighters, who cut the organs from Serbs for transplantation. Here's the answer to the question – who paid for the attempt of Albanians to SUDDENLY attack Macedonia.

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^^^^ Without the approval from Macedonia, gas from the Turkish Stream can't be transported North to the European Union. Right now, the government is more or less neutral in the ongoing Russia vs NATO cold war. They are likely to approve the gas pipeline. The NATO morons want to overthrow this government with the help of Albanian criminals, and want to install a government which will block the pipeline.
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May 15, 2015, 07:10:51 PM
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The NATO morons want to overthrow this government with the help of Albanian criminals, and want to install a government which will block the pipeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaDJ2Oh_Eh4
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There is only one route onward from Turkey and Greece to Central Europe and this is through Macedonia and then Serbia. Bulgaria is totally under U.S. heel so that´s out of the question.




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Macedonia: Russia's Stroytransgaz begins construction of gas pipeline

Published on Mar 14, 2015

Russian energy company Stroytransgaz inaugurated the construction of a gas pipeline in Klechovtse, that will link Macedonia's gas network to neighbouring Greece and through the Turkish Stream project, Saturday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAGw_8l44Zo

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Man, read this absolutely desperate mob media junk. Hehehehe. Some of those whores have clearly totally lost it.
Pretty much total loss of any credibility will do that to presstitutes.

Kerry's pointless diplomacy in Russia
By Leon Aron

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/13/opinions/aron-kerry-russia-meeting/

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Macedonia: Russia's Stroytransgaz begins construction of gas pipeline

Published on Mar 14, 2015

Russian energy company Stroytransgaz inaugurated the construction of a gas pipeline in Klechovtse, that will link Macedonia's gas network to neighbouring Greece and through the Turkish Stream project, Saturday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAGw_8l44Zo

The construction will be completed within one year. So the NATO needs to overthrow the Macedonian government before that. It needs to be seen whether Nikola Gruevski will be able to survive another year... The NATO had earlier achieved its objective in Bulgaria, by replacing the pro-Russia government there with an anti-Russia group. Macedonia might prove a little bit tougher for NATO.
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Reading between the pipelines...


Macedonia - the next hot spot after Ukraine?

May 12, 2015

Nikolay Starikov

Translated by Kristina Rus



What is behind the events in Macedonia


The geopolitical games of USA around Ukraine have already led to a civil war in this country. Now to maintain the chaos near the borders of Russia and preserve the tension in the center of Europe, the U.S. is ready to plunge another European country into chaos — Macedonia.



The source is here:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/macedonia-next-hot-spot-after-ukraine.html

Starikov showed himself to be a reliable analyst.

This last development in Macedonia, when Albanian terrorists were activated, killing 8 policemen, while the President of the country was away at the Parade in Moscow are so transparent... I started a separate thread on that event:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059027

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Just in!

REAL SOURCE OF VICTORIA NULAND’S RUSSOPHOBIA: ‘EXCEPTIONAL’ AMERICAN IN 1982 SOVIET ODESSA
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/real-source-of-victoria-nulands-russophobia-exceptional-american-in-1982-soviet-odessa/

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