Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

^^^ Obviously you don't care about the truth. How do we know? You said "who cares?"

If you have proof that Russia did it, great. But you really tarnish the appearance of your own honesty by saying something like 'who cares?'.

Ok, tell the truth, it would be interesting to hear version from alternative reality. If city was under Russian control for most part of war, who killed all these civilians? Do you want to say that it was done by Ukraine to smear Russian army?

You said 'if'. "If" indicates speculation. Go read a war novel for your answer.

[TwitchySeal]

^^^ Obviously you don't care about the truth. How do we know? You said "who cares?"

If you have proof that Russia did it, great. But you really tarnish the appearance of your own honesty by saying something like 'who cares?'.

🤡

You said 'if'. "If" indicates speculation. Go read a war novel for your answer.

[DaRude]

No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.

How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.

The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.

Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.

Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then??

“It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh

Russians need a color revolution to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers.

Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv.

I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation
and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing
great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away.

If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?"

This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter.

PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later.

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 =  
Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now??

Actually its stopping...USA now need YEARS to restock systems they sent to Ukraine.
Obviously they didn't expect Russia to be so effective in destroying them

https://www.ft.com/content/d413576c-c4d5-4ca6-9050-58f3f8dc3c00

From your link:
"
   In May, when Washington ordered 1,300 Stinger anti-air missiles to replace those sent to Ukraine, the chief executive of Raytheon, the defence company that makes them, replied: “It’s going to take us a little bit of time.”
"

So, I assume you mean "Russia to be so effective destroying anti-air missiles with it's own helicopters and jets"  

And yeah, typical manipulation from you: In your article there no word about destroying, only words that EU has small amount of weapons, so when they sent something to Ukraine, they need a lot of time to restock it.

This is main point of the article:
"
   The Ukraine war has exposed the skimpiness of western defence stockpiles — especially of unglamorous but crucial supplies such as artillery shells that have been the mainstay of fighting. Lack of production capacity, labour shortages and supply chain snafus — especially computer chips — mean long lead times to replenish them.
"

So yeah, in near future after EU will start normal amount of military production, you ll see how russian "regrouping" from Belgorod  

Especially since russian in unable to destroy any of this western systems (as i remember, they destroyed frew m777 and few m109)

Yep, here it is:
- 9 155mm M777A2 howitzer:
2 155mm M109A3GN: (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
 1 155mm AHS Krab:  (1, destroyed)

Bad result for the "second world's army"

You do realize that it's possible to defend a country without calling for mass murders of all collaborators (in a country without capital punishment) right? In fact, thankfully, I don't see anyone besides af_newbie calling for that.

Collaborators should be punished. Some with sentence in prison, some with bullets in their heads.

A lot of this collaborators hand over ukrainian activists, ato soldiers, government workers and so on on occupied territories. All those people were killed by russians (I have a lot of cases).

And now, some redneck idiot like you is trying to tell us that we need to left collaborators in peace. No, this is my answer to you. They will pay for what they've done

Ohh i'm a redneck now? This is a personal first  

Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.

In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.

Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.
...
In other areas, the Russians have overwhelming artillery firepower, and they manage with that.
...
Scott Crino, founder and chief executive of Red Six Solutions LLC, a strategic consulting firm, said the Shahed-136 could provide Russia with a “potent counterweight” to the high-tech weapons systems, such as Himars missile launchers, that the U.S. has provided to Ukraine.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140

That's over only one week in a single brigade with only drones (and in self admission)! We can be adults and use our critical thinking to draw some conclusions from bits and pieces that leak to mass media, or we can continue our propaganda by throwing some BS sites claiming minimal losses at each other US has given Ukraine nearly a million 155 mm artillery shells, US ammunition stockpiles being depleted by deliveries to Ukraine and EU is running low on weapons. So only US handed around 1mil 155mm shells to UA, and RU has overwhelming artillery power, draw your own conclusions

Edit: with a 100m kill radius of a 155mm, 1mil of them should cover 31.415km^2 that puts 59% of all of Donbas (53.201km^2) in a kill area, now imagine Russian coverage  

[montaga]

No. This war is about democracy vs autocracy. It is about freedom vs slavery. It is about the genocide of the Ukrainian nation.

That is what this war is all about. Russians want to erase Ukraine, exterminate Ukrainians and annex the Ukrainian lands to RF.

Ukraine or anyone else dont need a mobocracy with licenses and other such junk

[BADecker]

^^^ Your list is so good. I am usually too brief in this one.


In a Democracy...

... the 51% (or more) wins against the 49% (or less). The 49% becomes slaves to the 51% (at least in the areas of their voting). AND, by their win, the 51% has selected the dictatorial group that becomes dictator over all.


In a Republic...

... there still is a Democracy. But it is not the controlling factor.

All voting and selection is for general order. None of it can be applied to anyone who desires not to be a part of it.

How does the republic maintain order if none of it can be forcibly applied? By injury. The victim of injury (harm or damage) can receive relief from one who has injured him. This has to be proven in the courts. It is is greater than the Democracy part of government, because even government people can be sued... all of them, and any of them.


Note that in the US, the people have been dumbed down quite a bit. Most of them think that they have to use an attorney format to bring a case. This is entirely wrong, and is even detrimental to their case much of the time.

[TwitchySeal]

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?

Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%.

If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most.

That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union.  Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area.  

That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war.

[BADecker]

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?

Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%.

If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most.

That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians reverie the Soviet Union.  Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area. 

Lol. Some people have way more apples than others, but far lower IQ than those same others.

[af_newbie]

No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.

How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.

The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.

Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.

Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then??

“It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh

Russians need a color revolution to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers.

Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv.

I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation
and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing
great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away.

If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?"

This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter.

PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later.

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 =  
Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now??

What happens during revolutions? When they start nothing can stop them, regardless of how many dominos are standing (silent majority).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjko3M0JT4

[DaRude]

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?

Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%.

If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most.

That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union.  Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area.  

That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war.

Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw)

No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.

How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.

The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.

Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.

Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then??

“It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh

Russians need a color revolution to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers.

Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv.

I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation
and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing
great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away.

If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?"

This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter.

PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later.

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 =  
Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now??

What happens during revolutions? When they start nothing can stop them, regardless of how many dominos are standing (silent majority).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjko3M0JT4

Swing and a miss, or rather not even a swing. No attempt at addressing the underlying issue at all, bravo! Keep pushing the mantra that revolution in RU can only bring US/EU aligned leadership, all while arguing the exact opposite yourself.

[TwitchySeal]

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?

Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%.

If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most.

That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union.  Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area.  

That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war.

Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw)

Ha you're really fishing there.  Trosky died almost 100 years ago.  We're talking about Russians still idolizing Stalin today. 

[suchmoon]

Edit: with a 100m kill radius of a 155mm, 1mil of them should cover 31.415km^2 that puts 59% of all of Donbas (53.201km^2) in a kill area, now imagine Russian coverage  

That's not how "kill radius" works. Or math. Or logic.

[DaRude]

I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?

Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%.

If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most.

That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union.  Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area.  

That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war.

Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw)

Ha you're really fishing there.  Trosky died almost 100 years ago.  We're talking about Russians still idolizing Stalin today. 

They died just 13 years apart. But yeah that was sarcasm about Trotsky in case someone else missed it

[paxmao]

From history, revolutions tend to start for a clear cause and noble motives: depose the king, remove a dictator, "save the country from... nazis, communists, tyrans"... take your pick. French Revolution, aiming to free the people from absolutism ended up in The Terror, Castro's revolution trying to get rid of Batista created Castro's dictatorship, even the peaceful transition from Communism to something else ended up with Adolf Putin grabbing power, Pinochet crimes against humanity,...

[DaRude]

From history, revolutions tend to start for a clear cause and noble motives: depose the king, remove a dictator, "save the country from... nazis, communists, tyrans"... take your pick. French Revolution, aiming to free the people from absolutism ended up in The Terror, Castro's revolution trying to get rid of Batista created Castro's dictatorship, even the peaceful transition from Communism to something else ended up with Adolf Putin grabbing power, Pinochet crimes against humanity,...

They just didn't give it enough time for freedom loving generation to blossom naturally, instead cornering people into a false choice with expected results that we're observing now. Like i previously stated, in 2013 everything was going great, Russia was part of European court of human rights, visa facilitation agreement with EU was in force and there were discussions about visa free entries between EU and RU, plans for Nord Stream2 were being approved etc etc etc. Then somebody felt very uncomfortable with such arrangements and under the pretense of not enough democracy fast enough, decided to attempt to pry the last remaining allies that RU had (while being fully aware of a big chunk of population that still support the ways of Stalin)?!? Kazakhstan was too far east and in China's backyard, Belarus had a crazy leader that managed to hold on to power, and Ukraine was just right to support orange and then maidan revolutions. Even this UA propaganda piece, while salivating over dreams of collapse of RU still blatantly admit that Generals most likely to overthrow Russian regime and not some EU leaning liberals. On top of that they go on to explain how greatly China would benefit from this and following that logic would expedite China's rise to become the biggest global power even sooner! Seriously, this is the best case scenario a military ruled Russia and a stronger China! Who wouldn't want to devastate their own economies for such ingenious plans  

[BADecker]

^^^ Great explanation of what might be going on... way down deep in the thoughts of some leaders. And it even might be the outcome by accident if not by intentional implementation.

[suchmoon]

They just didn't give it enough time for freedom loving generation to blossom naturally, instead cornering people into a false choice with expected results that we're observing now. Like i previously stated, in 2013 everything was going great, Russia was part of European court of human rights, visa facilitation agreement with EU was in force and there were discussions about visa free entries between EU and RU, plans for Nord Stream2 were being approved etc etc etc. Then somebody felt very uncomfortable with such arrangements and under the pretense of not enough democracy fast enough

Nice attempt at revisionist history... except it's bullshit. Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013. With a KGB nutjob in power it had bombed Chechnia into submission, had a war with Georgia, and was supporting conflicts and dictatorships elsewhere (Moldova, Belarus, etc). Intervention in Ukraine fits that pattern. Conspiratardery about "somebody feeling uncomfortable" and orchestrating a bizarre sequence of events that manipulated Putin into invading Ukraine makes no sense to anyone except deluded kremlinists.

[OgNasty]

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told. 

[suchmoon]

So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told.  

Putin's best investment right there. Doesn't even need to pay 15 rubles to each individual, just feed some bullshit to right wing nutjob media and they all parrot it as if they're in on some great secret. Pathetic.

[paxmao]

So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told.  

Putin's best investment right there. Doesn't even need to pay 15 rubles to each individual, just feed some bullshit to right wing nutjob media and they all parrot it as if they're in on some great secret. Pathetic.

Somehow everything is about Trump and Biden - particularly about Trump. But it is not: Adolf Putin's wars are pretty much coincident with high oil prices. The RF army is oversized and does have plenty to say. The idea that whatever Putin decides happens is simplistic - if not plain wrong and it is becoming even clearer that the army can impose whatever they want on the civil society - like for example, a compulsory levy for a war that is not defensive.

RE US not "doing things right", I really hope nobody out there in the US is still believing in any short of moral superiority.

On the "fakeferedums", the political consequence is that the RF psychos will start the rhetoric of "our allies are actually being invaded" and may justify a levy or anything else.

Oh, on a second thought, the path is "fakeferedum", now is an independent republic and then they request adhesion to the RF ("or help to defend").

[BADecker]

So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told.  

Putin's best investment right there. Doesn't even need to pay 15 rubles to each individual, just feed some bullshit to right wing nutjob media and they all parrot it as if they're in on some great secret. Pathetic.

Somehow everything is about Trump and Biden - particularly about Trump. But it is not: Adolf Putin's wars are pretty much coincident with high oil prices. The RF army is oversized and does have plenty to say. The idea that whatever Putin decides happens is simplistic - if not plain wrong and it is becoming even clearer that the army can impose whatever they want on the civil society - like for example, a compulsory levy for a war that is not defensive.

RE US not "doing things right", I really hope nobody out there in the US is still believing in any short of moral superiority.

On the "fakeferedums", the political consequence is that the RF psychos will start the rhetoric of "our allies are actually being invaded" and may justify a levy or anything else.

What it is really all about is banking. There are two basic kinds of banking in the world. The real one is not very powerful at any one time, though it has a much better foundation. But the fake one is extremely powerful as long as nobody sees through the fakery.

Putin is using the temporarily weaker, but real, banking system. The US and Europe are using a couple of fake banking systems that have the appearance of strength right now, until the truth of their fakery comes out into the open. That's why the war against, not really Putin, but his banking system is being pushed by the West.

Putin's banking is backed by gold; the US and Europe by a planet-sized chunk of lies.

Everybody knows what it means to have money backed by gold... like Putin and the Ruble.

See if you can figure out how the US fake fiat system kills loads of people through fake money. Search on "Tom Schauf, bank freedom."