Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[LTU_btc]

So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.

IMO, mobilization is unlikely now. Interesting why Putin's message was cancelled or postponed, but I think that he just would say something about these referendums. But mobilizations now is unlikely.
But fact that referendums is announced just few days before it will happen, it shows how desperate these occupants is. They don't even try to make things look like in legitimate referendum.  They think that if they will be part of Russia, it will stop counteroffensive of Ukraine.

[suchmoon]

But fact that referendums is announced just few days before it will happen, it shows how desperate these occupants is. They don't even try to make things look like in legitimate referendum.  They think that if they will be part of Russia, it will stop counteroffensive of Ukraine.

No worries, police will be coming to people's homes to remind them how legitimate it is LOL

In Zaporizhia, during the referendum, citizens will be polled by address - local residents will be visited by employees of the Central Election Commission and the police, who will invite them to vote

With such compelling campaigning even dogs and goats will vote for annexation.

[af_newbie]

But fact that referendums is announced just few days before it will happen, it shows how desperate these occupants is. They don't even try to make things look like in legitimate referendum.  They think that if they will be part of Russia, it will stop counteroffensive of Ukraine.

No worries, police will be coming to people's homes to remind them how legitimate it is LOL

In Zaporizhia, during the referendum, citizens will be polled by address - local residents will be visited by employees of the Central Election Commission and the police, who will invite them to vote

With such compelling campaigning even dogs and goats will vote for annexation.

Ukraine already 'voted' that these oblasts are part of Ukraine. BTW, the Ukrainian army controls some of the territories in these oblasts.

How do Russians plan to conduct the referendum in these oblasts? Total bullshit.

[TwitchySeal]

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told. 

You've been clicking too many BADecker links.

[DaRude]

They just didn't give it enough time for freedom loving generation to blossom naturally, instead cornering people into a false choice with expected results that we're observing now. Like i previously stated, in 2013 everything was going great, Russia was part of European court of human rights, visa facilitation agreement with EU was in force and there were discussions about visa free entries between EU and RU, plans for Nord Stream2 were being approved etc etc etc. Then somebody felt very uncomfortable with such arrangements and under the pretense of not enough democracy fast enough, decided to attempt to pry the last remaining allies that RU had (while being fully aware of a big chunk of population that still support the ways of Stalin)?!? Kazakhstan was too far east and in China's backyard, Belarus had a crazy leader that managed to hold on to power, and Ukraine was just right to support orange and then maidan revolutions. Even this UA propaganda piece, while salivating over dreams of collapse of RU still blatantly admit that Generals most likely to overthrow Russian regime and not some EU leaning liberals. On top of that they go on to explain how greatly China would benefit from this and following that logic would expedite China's rise to become the biggest global power even sooner! Seriously, this is the best case scenario a military ruled Russia and a stronger China! Who wouldn't want to devastate their own economies for such ingenious plans  

Nice attempt at revisionist history... except it's bullshit. Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013. With a KGB nutjob in power it had bombed Chechnia into submission, had a war with Georgia, and was supporting conflicts and dictatorships elsewhere (Moldova, Belarus, etc). Intervention in Ukraine fits that pattern. Conspiratardery about "somebody feeling uncomfortable" and orchestrating a bizarre sequence of events that manipulated Putin into invading Ukraine makes no sense to anyone except deluded kremlinists.

Blah blah blah Russia wasn't perfect, here i found some issues that will convince everyone that Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013 fast enough. Russia - EU summits were held up to 2014 and this guy just ended his presidency in 2012. Surely the military generals that everyone calls to replace Putin would somehow be much better for everyone



US using their soft power "freedom cookies" to pry Ukraine from Russia is all conspiracy theories because US assistant secretary and ambassadors give out cookies at every coup/revolution

...I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU...

Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

BBC must be one of those Russian propaganda sites?

But to your point, if there's a will there's a way. Look I can even help you out and find justification to bring "freedom cookies" to Kazakhstan

Tokayev’s ex-wife and son are both closely connected to Russia. Indeed, according to media reports, Tokayev’s ex-wife is a Russian citizen. And both she and her son have been linked to pricey real estate in and around Moscow. More recently, their ownership of two apartments in the Russian capital appears to have been covered up in Russia’s federal property database.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/01/14/meet-the-tokayevs

Does anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??


In US One in every 36 Black Wisconsinites are in prison In fact you can name any country and i can provide justification to bring more freedom cookies to it.

So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.
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Oh my god what a total surprise...to absolutely no one! How dumb would one need to be to actually believe the propaganda that UA can take Donbas and Crimea from Russia without Russia escalating and calling in it's 2 million in reserves and later fully mobilizing if needed?

It's a retarded game of escalation, where as everyone were so happily pointing out, for Russia the stakes are existential. So now Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will all become part of Russia, this will automatically allow Putin to pull 135.000 conscripts into theater to protect new "Russian" territory. Then he'll announce that any country supplying weapons used to attack this new "RU territory" will be considered a party to the conflict with a possible declaration of war to follow. This will free up his hands for further full mobilization, and converting economy/manufacturing on war footing if needed. Stakes are raised, doomsday clock gets closer to midnight. Everyone is now watching US as the ball is now in their court, US can either escalate back, send trillions in military aid and the clock will move into seconds till midnight as the next move for RU would once again be a nuclear stand off, or US can go into deescalation stage. Any bets on what happens next? Everyone on this blue marble gets front row seats to watch if humanity is dumb enough to destroy itself once again.

[Branko]

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.  Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told. 

I think you're wrong about Biden...WW3 is is best opportunity for the USA to get rid of that 30+ trillion debt...well, maybe not
the best, but certainly the most simple one...better would be returning jobs from Asia to USA...but you can't expect
capitalists run against their holy grail of maximizing profits, can you?

[TwitchySeal]

for Russia the stakes are existential

No.  For Ukraine the stakes are existential.  Not Russia. 

Russia is invading Ukraine.

[Branko]

for Russia the stakes are existential

No.  For Ukraine the stakes are existential.  Not Russia.  

Russia is invading Ukraine.

You're talking about communist utopia kind of world.
In real world, there are only select few countries with UN veto power, and they play by different rules.
USA didn't see Russia as partner after collapse of Soviet Union, but as defeated side in cold war.
We're now looking at consequences, as Russia doesn't seem willing to play that role

[theskillzdatklls]

The upgrade from the special military operation to conflict/war with the +300k soldiers and draft is something. Really curious to see how this plays out.

Personally I've been keeping up with two channels for all the war stuff. I have been using this channel:

https://odysee.com/@SouthFront:4

For all updates on positional battles/fronts and how that's going.

I've also been super interested in modern warfare tactics. This guy is absolutely great when he publishes videos a few times a month documenting the Ukraine conflict:

https://odysee.com/@HistoryLegends:6

[Synchronice]

Some people won't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine until it's in a coloring book and even then unless it's a woke coloring book it would be ignored.  It's really not hard to understand, but you must first come to grips with the idea that the USA doesn't always do everything fairly and we take actions on others we wouldn't tolerate in return.

Okay, the reason is clear, Russia doesn't want American forces near its borders but at the same time, you can't deny that they want to build a soviet empire again. And the most important part that people ignore is the quality of life. Ukrainians have to either choose the west or Russia. You can't be alone and independent, hope no one believes that they can because this is bullshit.

Imagine that you live in a poor and corrupt country and Russia/Britain is going to capture your country, whom would you choose? Russian Empire or British Empire? I see America, Australia, New Zealand, UK. Brits captured these countries but they dramatically improved the quality of life there but Russians? Have a look at post-soviet countries: Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, etc.  They are still poor and corrupt, and soviet buildings look awful too. If there is an improvement in these countries right now, that's because of the western world.

Germany managed to build itself very successfully after the WW1 and WW2, the country that was totally destroyed, full of nazis, managed to rebuild like a phoenix, people have a good quality of life there but people in post soviet countries still dive into poverty and they migrate in west to feed their families.

Those blindly stuck in the brainwashed state that Joe Biden isn't running our country off a cliff will never understand.  They're too busy in defense mode and brainwashed to believe whatever lies they're told.

Joe Biden is a total failure, can't understand why Americans made such a big mistake. Country, which has a 335 million population and is a leader, wasn't able to put better candidates than Biden and Trump.

[suchmoon]

Blah blah blah Russia wasn't perfect, here i found some issues that will convince everyone that Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013 fast enough. Russia - EU summits were held up to 2014 and this guy just ended his presidency in 2012. Surely the military generals that everyone calls to replace Putin would somehow be much better for everyone

Medvedev's "presidency" LOL. BTW have you read his latest drunken ramblings?

Not sure what you're still babbling about but you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

US using their soft power "freedom cookies" to pry Ukraine from Russia is all conspiracy theories because US assistant secretary and ambassadors give out cookies at every coup/revolution

Ukraine hadn't been part of Russia for 20+ years at that point. They can do as they please, up to and including not having a pro-Russian president. Try to keep up.

But to your point, if there's a will there's a way. Look I can even help you out and find justification to bring "freedom cookies" to Kazakhstan
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Does anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??

Again, relevance? Kazakhstan clearly doesn't want to be friends with Russia anymore (wonder why), and the dicktater of Belarus doesn't need any cookies to be deposed as soon as he loses Putin's support. None of that has much to do with justifying invasion into Ukraine.

In US One in every 36 Black Wisconsinites are in prison

Ah, Brezhnev propaganda making a comeback. That explains it. Makes totally justifiable for Putin to annex half of Europe because the US is... uhm... what is the point here exactly?

or US can go into deescalation stage

What is that magic "deescalation" that would somehow make all Ukrainians love Russia and stop fighting?

[Branko]

Imagine that you live in a poor and corrupt country and Russia/Britain is going to capture your country, whom would you choose? Russian Empire or British Empire? I see America, Australia, New Zealand, UK. Brits captured these countries but they dramatically improved the quality of life there but Russians? Have a look at post-soviet countries: Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, etc.  They are still poor and corrupt, and soviet buildings look awful too. If there is an improvement in these countries right now, that's because of the western world.

I don't think you actually believe exterminated Maori, american natives and Aborigins agree with you

Ukraine hadn't been part of Russia for 20+ years at that point. They can do as they please, up to and including not having a pro-Russian president. Try to keep up.

Did you say the same when USA led cup ousted pro-Russian one? Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?

[TwitchySeal]

for Russia the stakes are existential

No.  For Ukraine the stakes are existential.  Not Russia.  

Russia is invading Ukraine.

You're talking about communist utopia kind of world.
In real world, there are only select few countries with UN veto power, and they play by different rules.
USA didn't see Russia as partner after collapse of Soviet Union, but as defeated side in cold war.
We're now looking at consequences, as Russia doesn't seem willing to play that role

No, I'm talking about the war in Ukraine.  

Putin wants Ukraine to be Russia.  That's what makes it an existential threat to Ukraine.  If Ukraine didn't fight, there would be no more independent Ukraine.  If Russia stopped fighting, there would be no more war - but Russia would still exist.

Putin fooled you.  He claimed there was an existential threat at the beginning of the war, when he thought he had the power to topple Zelenskys government,  to justify his decision to invade but the reality is if he wouldn't have invaded NATO wouldn't be expanding as quickly and Ukraine wouldn't be fast tracked to join the EU.  Do you really think Russias existence depends on whether or not Putin is able to annex a few regions in the South and East of Ukraine?  Because that's all that's left.  Use your brain.

[Branko]

No, I'm talking about the war in Ukraine.  

Putin wants Ukraine to be Russia.  That's what makes it an existential threat to Ukraine.  If Ukraine didn't fight, there would be no more independent Ukraine.  If Russia stopped fighting, there would be no more war - but Russia would still exist.

Putin fooled you.  He claimed there was an existential threat at the beginning of the war, when he thought he had the power to topple Zelenskys government,  to justify his decision to invade but the reality is if he wouldn't have invaded NATO wouldn't be expanding as quickly and Ukraine wouldn't be fast tracked to join the EU.  Do you really think Russias existence depends on whether or not Putin is able to annex a few regions in the South and East of Ukraine?  Because that's all that's left.  Use your brain.

Zbigniew Brzezinski: "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a serious power"
Since collapse of Soviet Union, USA played by Brzezinski words

[TwitchySeal]

No, I'm talking about the war in Ukraine.  

Putin wants Ukraine to be Russia.  That's what makes it an existential threat to Ukraine.  If Ukraine didn't fight, there would be no more independent Ukraine.  If Russia stopped fighting, there would be no more war - but Russia would still exist.

Putin fooled you.  He claimed there was an existential threat at the beginning of the war, when he thought he had the power to topple Zelenskys government,  to justify his decision to invade but the reality is if he wouldn't have invaded NATO wouldn't be expanding as quickly and Ukraine wouldn't be fast tracked to join the EU.  Do you really think Russias existence depends on whether or not Putin is able to annex a few regions in the South and East of Ukraine?  Because that's all that's left.  Use your brain.

Zbigniew Brzezinski: "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a serious power"
Since collapse of Soviet Union, USA played by Brzezinski words

I guess Russia isn't a serious power than.  They're the ones attacking Ukraine.

[Branko]

I guess Russia isn't a serious power than. 

Currently, no, its not...and if they lose this war, they're done...and they're probably aware of that...and they have nukes

[suchmoon]

Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?

Yes. Have you heard of elections?

[Branko]

Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?

Yes. Have you heard of elections?

Is that a process where you elect your representatives, that then get toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?
If so, yes, I heard

https://youtu.be/btF6nKHo2i0

[suchmoon]

Is that a process where you elect your representatives

Exactly.

toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?

Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own.

[Branko]

Is that a process where you elect your representatives

Exactly.

toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?

Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own.

OK; so you're fine if USA topple other country presidents...why you then object if Russia try to topple Zelensky?
Or do you consider USA exceptional in some way? Why it was OK when Trudeau passed authoritarian laws?
He's right next to your border, it would be easy to send US army and replace him