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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1153932 times)
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October 16, 2014, 07:04:55 AM
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I have only heard the best words spoken about CLAMS on the POLO Trollbox, way to go.. Smiley
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October 17, 2014, 02:29:46 PM
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should I download the v. 1.4.2.2 GUI Import Test Build   or    v. 1.4.2.1 Previous 'Stable' Build version? 
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October 18, 2014, 03:33:04 AM
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should I download the v. 1.4.2.2 GUI Import Test Build   or    v. 1.4.2.1 Previous 'Stable' Build version? 

There haven't been any issues reported concerning the Test Build at this point and thus we would recommend that you download the v1.4.2.2.

In fact, I will go ahead and bump the test build up to stable now.

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October 20, 2014, 04:28:03 AM
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Just a quick update:



Progress coming along nicely on the new CLAMshell interface.
Extremely Rough Estimated Launch: within the week.



xploited has made great progress on the back-end of the upcoming lottery tab.  If things continue going well, expect complete lottery statistics in-client in the upcoming update.  tryphe is working on the front-end portion of the lottery tab.  In addition, tryphe has an awesome entirely new slick UI interface for CLAMS.  We hope to get that into the upcoming update as well.  We intend to make the lottery tab a one-stop place for tweaking and monitoring your lottery efficiency/game; so far, so good Grin

We can't announce the best part yet, as it is still in testing.  As soon as we are certain it works, and it is going in, we will officially announce it Grin  Expect a stir Grin



garthkiser has been busily working on the updated theme and face of the clamclient.com website.  It looks great and is coming along nicely.  We hope the new website will make CLAMS a bit easier to digest for new users.  Expect the new website to be released some time in the next week or two.



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October 20, 2014, 10:25:27 AM
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ok guys so question, my wallet says "not staking because no mature coins" i thought the lottery started right after i deposited them? ive gotten no payouts for the lottery in a few hours...is this normal? when will i start seeing atleast the .1 clam per block? thanks
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October 20, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
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oh...i see it takes about 8.5 hours before the lottery thing starts and the coins are mature enough...right?
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October 20, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
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oh...i see it takes about 8.5 hours before the lottery thing starts and the coins are mature enough...right?

Correct!

Glad to see you weren't all talk in the trollbox Grin

Welcome to CLAMS, friend!

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October 20, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
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oh...i see it takes about 8.5 hours before the lottery thing starts and the coins are mature enough...right?

I think maybe only 4 hours. The maturing thing is only for newly mined (or staked) coins. If you bought some on an exchange and withdrew to your wallet, I think they are ready to stake after 4 hours - but I could be wrong.

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October 20, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
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oh...i see it takes about 8.5 hours before the lottery thing starts and the coins are mature enough...right?

I think maybe only 4 hours. The maturing thing is only for newly mined (or staked) coins. If you bought some on an exchange and withdrew to your wallet, I think they are ready to stake after 4 hours - but I could be wrong.

dooglus,

You are rarely wrong Grin

Speaking of which, don't be a stranger in the irc channel.
Would like to make sure that we don't miss any of your fixes when we do this upcoming update.

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October 20, 2014, 08:24:34 PM
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dooglus,

You are rarely wrong Grin

Speaking of which, don't be a stranger in the irc channel.
Would like to make sure that we don't miss any of your fixes when we do this upcoming update.

I remember the client used to be treating all transactions as if the coins were newly mined, and would wait 120 (?) confirmations before starting to try to stake them, but upon receiving a block from a peer it wouldn't apply the same rule. So I modified my client to try to start staking ASAP, and found the network would accept outputs that staked before they had the 120 confirmations.

I believe I made a pull request for the change, and that it was accepted. That's the bit I may be wrong about. I know that the rest of it is right. Smiley

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October 20, 2014, 11:28:19 PM
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is the "Expected time to earn reward" thing in the wallet accurate at all?
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is the "Expected time to earn reward" thing in the wallet accurate at all?

I think it's about right, but it assumes that blocks will continue to be found at the rate they have recently been found I think. The network rate has been pretty stable recently, so that's a reasonable assumption.

Edit: I looked into it and did some experimentation. It doesn't look at the recent history at all. It just looks at the weight (age times size) of your outputs and the current network difficulty, and calculates the expected time from that.

I think it's accurate.



Note: the "expected time" it shows is based on the current weight of your outputs. As they get older, the estimate will reduce significantly. My 5 CLAM, 1 CLAM-day output which has an "expected time" of 264 days right now will have a weight of 6 CLAM-days this time tomorrow, and so will have an expected time to stake of 6 times less than 264 days, or around 44 days. 24 hours after that, it will have a weight of 11 CLAM-days, and an expected time to stake of 264/11 = 24 days. (Assuming the network difficulty doesn't change, and also assuming it doesn't get lucky and stake before then, which it probably won't, but could).

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October 21, 2014, 02:02:58 AM
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oh...i see it takes about 8.5 hours before the lottery thing starts and the coins are mature enough...right?

I think maybe only 4 hours. The maturing thing is only for newly mined (or staked) coins. If you bought some on an exchange and withdrew to your wallet, I think they are ready to stake after 4 hours - but I could be wrong.

The other thing I had forgotten is that the "weight" of your coins has to be greater than zero to be considered fit for staking.

The weight of each output is calculated as ((the age of the output minus 4 hours in days) times (the value of the output in CLAMs)) rounded down to an integer number of "CLAM-days".

So if you're trying to stake a 2-CLAM output, it will need to be at least 16 hours old before it is considered "mature" for staking purposes
(because ((16-4)/24) * 2 == 1)

In general it takes (24/value + 4) hours for an output to mature for staking.

I'm running a test to see if that's what actually happens - I guess I'll report back in (24/value+4) hours! Smiley

Edit: I cheated, and reduced a bunch of numbers to make it go quicker. It looks like the above is correct.

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October 21, 2014, 05:56:20 AM
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Hi dooglus

I don't say a lot here but I'm a chronic thread follower, tragic almost. I must say I look forward to reading your posts. I find them insightful and technically informative. Keep up the good work

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Hi dooglus

I don't say a lot here but I'm a chronic thread follower, tragic almost. I must say I look forward to reading your posts. I find them insightful and technically informative. Keep up the good work

Jon  Wink

PS should have included SuperClam in thank you as well

Hey Jon.

Glad to hear at least someone isn't bored by my overly dry posts.

So without further ado, here's more tedious detail!

I made a new wallet, sent myself a single output, and fudged the client code so that the output would age 1 CLAM-day every 3 minutes. I also modified it to show the current weight (in CLAM-days), the current network difficulty (right-shifted 224 bits to make it readable - lower numbers represent harder difficulty), the odds against mining a block in any given second, and the client's displayed "expected time" value:

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weight: 1, target: 221, tries: 19348061 <-- 223 days
weight: 2, target: 221, tries: 9674030 <-- 111 days
weight: 2, target: 230, tries: 9326589 <-- 107 days
weight: 2, target: 241, tries: 8874185 <-- 102 days
weight: 3, target: 241, tries: 5916123 <-- 68 days
weight: 3, target: 244, tries: 5847408 <-- 67 days
weight: 3, target: 196, tries: 7268585 <-- 84 days
weight: 4, target: 196, tries: 5451438 <-- 63 days
weight: 4, target: 226, tries: 4736416 <-- 54 days
weight: 4, target: 216, tries: 4960172 <-- 57 days
weight: 4, target: 202, tries: 5314525 <-- 61 days
weight: 4, target: 191, tries: 5611700 <-- 64 days
weight: 5, target: 194, tries: 4411545 <-- 51 days
weight: 5, target: 189, tries: 4526974 <-- 52 days
weight: 6, target: 189, tries: 3772478 <-- 43 days
weight: 6, target: 244, tries: 2923984 <-- 33 days
weight: 6, target: 238, tries: 3000490 <-- 34 days
weight: 6, target: 234, tries: 3054402 <-- 35 days
weight: 7, target: 234, tries: 2618059 <-- 30 days
weight: 7, target: 229, tries: 2670448 <-- 30 days
weight: 7, target: 230, tries: 2665237 <-- 30 days
weight: 7, target: 207, tries: 2961408 <-- 34 days
weight: 7, target: 197, tries: 3114058 <-- 36 days
weight: 8, target: 197, tries: 2724800 <-- 31 days
weight: 8, target: 187, tries: 2865281 <-- 33 days
weight: 8, target: 189, tries: 2831982 <-- 32 days
weight: 9, target: 189, tries: 2517317 <-- 29 days
[...]
weight: 31, target: 147, tries: 936996 <-- 10 days
[...]
weight: 498, target: 131, tries: 65352 <-- 18 hours
weight: 498, target: 153, tries: 56110 <-- 15 hours

As the weight goes up, the estimate goes down, roughly speaking. It also varies with the 'target' (difficulty) but that stays around 150-250 for the most part (for now).

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October 24, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
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To the CLAMS community:

Yesterday, it came to the attention of the CLAMS development team that there is an exploit in the CLAM lottery system.  Thankfully, due to some phenomenal detective work and a watchful eye by tryphe and dooglus, we caught the exploit extremely quickly.  Additional investigation conducted by dooglus, revealed that the exploit was being undertaken by a well known developer in the community that goes by the name 'rat4'.  rat4 is the chief developer of the crypto-currency Blackcoin. 

The team immediately contacted rat4 via IRC.  rat4 acknowledged discovering CLAMS recently and the use of the exploit.  Though after-the-fact, rat4 agreed to speak with the development team and provided additional insight and information concerning the exploit.  Despite being a bit bitter, the additional insight was greatly appreciated and helpful in considering the alternatives moving forward. 

In short, the exploit was executed via withholding/solving/staking sets of blocks and involved brute forcing the block which decides the block reward prior to submission.  To our great disappointment, no purely reliable, readily available and tested solution to the exploit existed that satisfied our requirements of security and fairness.  After reviewing the options available for the CLAMS network, it was decided by the development team to conduct a near immediate hard-fork of the CLAMS block chain to remove the threat.



The Hard-Fork:

Starting at block 170,000 of the CLAMS block chain, the CLAMS network will be moving away from the variable lottery based block reward and transitioning to a standard 1 CLAM per block reward.  This 1 CLAM block reward maintains a projected inflation target extremely close to the original target of the lottery update; the primary difference being that the reward is balanced between blocks instead of accrued into larger "lucky" blocks.  The CLAM lottery has been greatly enjoyed by users and if a strong solution to the exploit presents itself in the coming days, there is intention to re-instate the lottery.  Unfortunately, such a solution is not readily available at the moment and in a prudent time-frame.

At the time of this posting the CLAMS network is at block #168853.  That places the hard-fork and block 170,000 at roughly 1,150 blocks from now: a bit under a day.  Poloniex has been contacted and is prepared and ready to update the exchange client(s) in preparation for the fork.  The new source has also already been pulled into the master repository.  It is anticipated that the hard-fork will proceed with little disruption as it is quite simple in scope.

ALL USERS SHOULD UPDATE THEIR CLIENT IMMEDIATELY.



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October 24, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
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Thanks for heads up.

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question guys...i deleted the clam software (i saved my .dat file before hand) and i opened and extracted the .2.2 update and opened it..but it still says .2.1  , why? any advice would be helpful,thanks
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A low volume coin being exploited by a very popular dev. It looks like CLAMS poses some kind of threat to blackcoin. No wonder price keeps going down. 
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October 24, 2014, 01:23:11 PM
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question guys...i deleted the clam software (i saved my .dat file before hand) and i opened and extracted the .2.2 update and opened it..but it still says .2.1  , why? any advice would be helpful,thanks

If you installed the version of CLAMClient listed in the OP post, reddit post, the above notice, or webpage - you should have the right version.  The compile and fix was rushed in only a few hours and it is quite possible the version # didn't get swapped out.



A low volume coin being exploited by a very popular dev. It looks like CLAMS poses some kind of threat to blackcoin. No wonder price keeps going down. 

We won't speculate on motives.
Though, we have noticed what is clearly a bot drip selling in the market.
The good news is the damage from the exploit is quite limited in that we caught it extremely quickly from what we can tell.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
Proof-Of-Chain, 100% Distributed BEFORE Launch.
Everyone who owned BTC, LTC, or DOGE at launch got free CLAMS.
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