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August 29, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
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Thank you for your answers Wink

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August 29, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
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August 29, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
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A new release is in the works.

Things may change, but it appears 0.6 will provide:

64 bit support (only)
bfgminer integration
amd 7xxx support
newer kernel (3.2) and more drivers for you wifi crazy bastards
better fpga support
a kinder, gentler mother

Will this release be able to run old 5xxx and 6xxx AMD cards along with 7xxx without performance penalties?

no

Just to be pedantic, could you clarify what I hope is the case, namely that there won't be a performance penalty in the new release if you ONLY mine with 5xxx cards (i.e. do NOT mix them with 7xxx cards on the same rig)?

Okay, without the ever increasing string of implied and explicit negators:

Will my all-5xxx rigs mine just as well with 0.6 as with 0.5?

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August 29, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
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I could be wrong but from all I know old cards (5xxx/6xxx) perform poorly with the newer SDK that is needed for 7xxx series.
I am guessing (just guessing) that this new version will be tuned specifically for 7xxx, while for 5xxx/6xxx we should probably better use the old BAMT.
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August 30, 2012, 03:53:17 AM
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I could be wrong but from all I know old cards (5xxx/6xxx) perform poorly with the newer SDK that is needed for 7xxx series.
I am guessing (just guessing) that this new version will be tuned specifically for 7xxx, while for 5xxx/6xxx we should probably better use the old BAMT.


yes, this.

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August 30, 2012, 05:28:28 AM
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Will this release be able to run old 5xxx and 6xxx AMD cards along with 7xxx without performance penalties?

no

to clarify to the point of sillyness:  BAMT 0.6 will not enable the use of multiple driver versions or multiple SDK versions simultaneously on the same rig.  Therefore you will not be able to mix 5/6 series with 7 series in the same rig without performance penalties on the 5/6 series GPUS.  It will however support the use of any one driver version and any one SDK version, including those that perform well with 5 and 6 series and those that work with 7 series.  Deciding which driver and SDK version is best for your setup is left as an exercise for the reader.  For people running 5/6 series only, there will be no change unless you decide to install 7xxx support.

BAMT 0.6 does away with the 'fixer' and moves everything into an apt repository.  The repository has a main flavor and three optional flavors which are 5xxx, 7xxx and fpga.  Selecting the 5xxx flavor will result in the same driver and sdk that we have always used.  7xxx will give you a newer driver which supports 7xxx but will reduce performance on other cards, as all drivers that support 7xxx do.  The fpga flavor will make gold fall from the sky and submit bogus 1099 forms to the IRS in your name.  The choice is yours.







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August 30, 2012, 05:38:32 AM
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This is not silliness, this is PR.

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BAMT 0.6 does away with the 'fixer' and moves everything into an apt repository.  The repository has a main flavor and three optional flavors which are 5xxx, 7xxx and fpga.  Selecting the 5xxx flavor will result in the same driver and sdk that we have always used.  7xxx will give you a newer driver which supports 7xxx but will reduce performance on other cards, as all drivers that support 7xxx do.

Sounds great, seems you got it all covered  Smiley

...maybe with the exception of choosing BFGminer...meh... but hey, it's your baby.
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August 30, 2012, 05:51:24 AM
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The fpga flavor will make gold fall from the sky and submit bogus 1099 forms to the IRS in your name.  The choice is yours.
The two great features I was waiting for!  Tongue
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August 30, 2012, 11:02:13 AM
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This is not silliness, this is PR.

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BAMT 0.6 does away with the 'fixer' and moves everything into an apt repository.  The repository has a main flavor and three optional flavors which are 5xxx, 7xxx and fpga.  Selecting the 5xxx flavor will result in the same driver and sdk that we have always used.  7xxx will give you a newer driver which supports 7xxx but will reduce performance on other cards, as all drivers that support 7xxx do.

Sounds great, seems you got it all covered  Smiley

...maybe with the exception of choosing BFGminer...meh... but hey, it's your baby.

Compile your preferred version of CGminer, swap it into BFGminers location, rename CG to BFG, live like a king...


Oh, and send lodcrappo some BTC for making this work for all you people to lazy to learn enough about Linux to do simple updates.   Kiss

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August 30, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
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This is not silliness, this is PR.

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BAMT 0.6 does away with the 'fixer' and moves everything into an apt repository.  The repository has a main flavor and three optional flavors which are 5xxx, 7xxx and fpga.  Selecting the 5xxx flavor will result in the same driver and sdk that we have always used.  7xxx will give you a newer driver which supports 7xxx but will reduce performance on other cards, as all drivers that support 7xxx do.

Sounds great, seems you got it all covered  Smiley

...maybe with the exception of choosing BFGminer...meh... but hey, it's your baby.

I'm not removing support for cgminer, I'm just not taking responsibility for providing a working version anymore.  You'll always be able to use cgminer with bamt (unless they change so much that the existing code doesn't work anymore).

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August 30, 2012, 02:14:38 PM
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Lodcrappo,

Why BFGminer and not cgminer?

Better stability, better support for FPGA devices, better relationship with the developer

I can't recall what I did to piss you off, but enjoy your relationship.

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August 30, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
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Lodcrappo,

Why BFGminer and not cgminer?

Better stability, better support for FPGA devices, better relationship with the developer

I can't recall what I did to piss you off, but enjoy your relationship.

You probably didn't do anything, it's just Luke is a better bullshit artist than you Con.   Grin

Doesn't matter though, the two of you (Con, Lod) make the two best pieces of software out there, period.  Everyone in the community is best served if you two play nice, not bitch at each other.

BOTH pieces of software have bugs, and always will.  Deal with it.  Unfortunately, right now, the bugs in certain cases merge together and cause a miner killing super bug.  Deal with it.  It's not either of your fault, it wasn't intentional, it just happened.  Deal with it.

Now, you two kiss and make up and get back to cranking out your respective pieces of software that you kill your self working on, for no pay, and no "Thank You"s from the asshats who use it which can't even be bother to read the ReadMe before coming onto the forum and saying your software is broken.

And balance was restored to the universe....

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August 30, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
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Thanks for the clarification lodcrappo! I look forward to downloading the 5xxx version of BAMT 0.6 when it becomes available.

I'd planned to hold off donating until these rigs had started turning a profit... unfortunately that's unlikely to ever happen now, more of a loss-minimising thing going on until those damn ASICs start flooding the network. So have 3 BTC, courtesy of 1Fhowu3xdhe8w6CaozK81TwUpyVe2Swnov.

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August 30, 2012, 04:11:52 PM
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You should put both cgminer and bfgminer in there so bfgminer is only used in cases where fpga mining is needed, i'd rather not use bfgminer if I had the choice for the simple fact that the person who created it is a total ass and is trying to add 1 part to someone else's car and call it his own.

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August 30, 2012, 04:24:40 PM
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You should put both cgminer and bfgminer in there so bfgminer is only used in cases where fpga mining is needed, i'd rather not use bfgminer if I had the choice for the simple fact that the person who created it is a total ass and is trying to add 1 part to someone else's car and call it his own.
cgminer does support BFL, Icarus, CM1 (ztex is in there and an older MMQ also)
In fact the optimisations in BFL and Icarus to make them perform best were done by Con and I ... that other miner gets less with BFL on any pool that doesn't accept stales (most pools)
and the code to work properly with CM1 (Icarus timing and options) was all by me ... and then copied unchanged into that other thing
... anyway.

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August 30, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
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Compile your preferred version of CGminer, swap it into BFGminers location, rename CG to BFG, live like a king...

Oh, and send lodcrappo some BTC for making this work for all you people to lazy to learn enough about Linux to do simple updates.   Kiss

What makes you think that I am lazy and not able to do updates in Linux? I have already my BAMT running 7970 cards with newer cgminer since months ago thank you very much, I even shared it here.
Who are you to call me lazy?
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August 30, 2012, 04:49:20 PM
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Compile your preferred version of CGminer, swap it into BFGminers location, rename CG to BFG, live like a king...

Oh, and send lodcrappo some BTC for making this work for all you people to lazy to learn enough about Linux to do simple updates.   Kiss

What makes you think that I am lazy and not able to do updates in Linux? I have already my BAMT running 7970 cards with newer cgminer since months ago thank you very much, I even shared it here.
Who are you to call me lazy?

Soooooo.... Obviously, if you have already done it, months ago at that, you are not one of the people who are to lazy to do it.
Soooooo.... Obviously that statement doesn't apply to you.
Soooooo.... Obviously I didn't call you lazy.

Soooooo.... Why did you post again?

BTW, nice selective quotes.
This is not silliness, this is PR.

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BAMT 0.6 does away with the 'fixer' and moves everything into an apt repository.  The repository has a main flavor and three optional flavors which are 5xxx, 7xxx and fpga.  Selecting the 5xxx flavor will result in the same driver and sdk that we have always used.  7xxx will give you a newer driver which supports 7xxx but will reduce performance on other cards, as all drivers that support 7xxx do.

Sounds great, seems you got it all covered  Smiley

...maybe with the exception of choosing BFGminer...meh... but hey, it's your baby.

Compile your preferred version of CGminer, swap it into BFGminers location, rename CG to BFG, live like a king...


Oh, and send lodcrappo some BTC for making this work for all you people to lazy to learn enough about Linux to do simple updates.   Kiss

So obviously I was showing an easy way to swap out BFG for CG if needed in the first statement, and the second statement is totally unrelated.

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August 30, 2012, 05:02:14 PM
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Because you were responding to me.
Listen, is the second time you called people lazy in this thread because of their lacking Linux skills. You act like a Linux smug looking down at Windows people.

Some people know Linux, some know Windows, 'deal with it'.
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August 30, 2012, 06:00:44 PM
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Lodcrappo,

Why BFGminer and not cgminer?

Better stability, better support for FPGA devices, better relationship with the developer

I can't recall what I did to piss you off, but enjoy your relationship.

You've done nothing to piss me off.  I've always found you reasonable and have great respect for your work.

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August 30, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
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Lodcrappo,

Why BFGminer and not cgminer?

Better stability, better support for FPGA devices, better relationship with the developer

I can't recall what I did to piss you off, but enjoy your relationship.

You probably didn't do anything, it's just Luke is a better bullshit artist than you Con.   Grin

Doesn't matter though, the two of you (Con, Lod) make the two best pieces of software out there, period.  Everyone in the community is best served if you two play nice, not bitch at each other.

BOTH pieces of software have bugs, and always will.  Deal with it.  Unfortunately, right now, the bugs in certain cases merge together and cause a miner killing super bug.  Deal with it.  It's not either of your fault, it wasn't intentional, it just happened.  Deal with it.

Now, you two kiss and make up and get back to cranking out your respective pieces of software that you kill your self working on, for no pay, and no "Thank You"s from the asshats who use it which can't even be bother to read the ReadMe before coming onto the forum and saying your software is broken.

And balance was restored to the universe....

There is no issue between Con and I.  This change has nothing to do with the "miner killing super bug incident" and was planned far prior to that.

If you want to support further development of BAMT (http://bamter.org/):  1PoRYaGS56ksQmK7XXLurW3B2zwCAE8PRc
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