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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?
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Indeed each person makes a mistake or something else, it doesn't matter what faith, but stereotypes are immediately applicable to all if make a mistake one man.
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I totally agreed with you dear ISlam is perfect Muslims are not so don't blame Islam, If the person is bad or doing some mistake it doesn't mean their religion is wrong or you blame their religion.
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September 13, 2015, 01:42:12 PM |
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?
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September 13, 2015, 06:54:16 PM |
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihadIt is fake
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihadIt is fake If this is so, please provide evidence.
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihadIt is fake If this is so, please provide evidence. You can get anyone with a beard to say anything buy it doesn't become Islamic unless it is mentioned in scriptures. The evidence is that it is beyond any logic.Why would someone need to widen their anus to hide the explosives? How much can one hide in it? That is ridiculous
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September 13, 2015, 11:53:00 PM |
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Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other? These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer. Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect? Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihadIt is fake If this is so, please provide evidence. You can get anyone with a beard to say anything buy it doesn't become Islamic unless it is mentioned in scriptures. The evidence is that it is beyond any logic.Why would someone need to widen their anus to hide the explosives? How much can one hide in it? That is ridiculous 1. The Shiite cleric in the video resides in London. 2. We have a video of his talk in which he says the things alleged. 3. Here is a part of his talk. “In principle, sodomy is forbidden. However, Jihad is more important. It is the pinnacle of Islam. If sodomy is the only way to reach this pinnacle of Islam, then there is no harm in it. The rule is that necessity makes the forbidden permissible. Something that is required in order to perform a duty becomes a duty in and of itself. No duty takes precedence over Jihad. Therefore, you must be sodomized… After you have been sodomized, you must ask Allah for forgiveness. Know, my son, that Allah resurrects the mujahideen on Judgment Day on the basis of their intentions. Allah willing, your intention is to support Islam. May Allah include you among those who heed His call.”
Please provide evidence to support your assertion that "it is fake." Otherwise your comments cannot be seriously considered. As for the Cleric's FATWA being ridiculous, I don't disagree with you. However, some take him seriously. And I am not a Muslim, I am an atheist. So I think many things Islamic Clerics say are ridiculous. This is no different. But obviously some people believe things Islamic Clerics say and take them seriously. For example... This fatwa led a man a while ago to carry out a bombing attack against then Interior Minister Naif bin Abd Al-Aziz [sic]….”http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/abdallah-al-khilaf/http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihadActually let me revise my statement. I view the Cleric involved as pure evil. Not as ridiculous.
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First you must understand that fatwa is the opinion of scholar it may or may not necessarily be conformed with religious rulings. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa This is not necessarily a formal position since most Muslims argue that anyone trained in Islamic law may give an opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. If a fatwā does not break new ground, then it is simply called a ruling Second. This so called shia cleric say The rule is that necessity makes the forbidden permissible. which is correct but this rule is implied in some rearest cases http://islamqa.info/en/130815 With regard to the conditions of a haraam thing becoming permissible in the case of necessity, Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned two conditions for that and he explained them in abundant detail with examples, as well as mentioning some objections and the response to them. Hence we will limit ourselves to quoting his words. He (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This principle is one of the basic fiqhi principles which are indicated by sharee’ah: Everything that is forbidden becomes permissible in the case of necessity. So what is forbidden becomes permissible in the case of necessity, but there are two conditions. The first condition: We should be compelled to do this specific haraam (Forbidden) thing, meaning that we cannot find anything with which to meet that necessity except this haraam thing. If we can find something else, then it does not become permissible, even though it could meet our necessity. The second condition: (i) The necessity should be met by that haraam (forbidden) thing; if that is not the case, then it remains haraam. [/i] If we are not certain whether it will meet the necessity or not, then it also remains haraam. That is because doing something haraam is definitely wrong and meeting necessity by means of it is something concerning which there is doubt, so we should not transgress by doing that which is definitely haraam for the sake of something concerning which there is doubt. Hence the ruling varies concerning a starving man who cannot find anything but dead meat. In this case we say, Eat the dead meat. If he says that this is committing a haraam action, we say that it has become permissible because of necessity, because you have nothing else to eat apart from this and because if you eat it you will meet that necessity. It was said to a man: If you drink alcohol, you will be cured of sickness. In this case we say: It is not permissible for you to drink alcohol even if you are told that it will heal you from sickness. Why is that? Firstly, because there is no certainty that he will be healed by it; he may drink it and not be healed of sickness. We see many sick people taking beneficial medicines that they do not benefit from. Secondly, the sick person may recover without any treatment, by putting his trust in Allah and praying to Him, and by means of people’s prayer (du’aa’) for him and so on. This is from the point of view of reason. ..
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First you must understand that fatwa is the opinion of scholar it may or may not necessarily be conformed with religious rulings. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa This is not necessarily a formal position since most Muslims argue that anyone trained in Islamic law may give an opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. .....
Well, you sure got some crazy shit being done in the name of Islam. By the way, we are in complete agreement in the ridiculousness of this man's ideas. But what's important to note is the extreme to which he will go to advocate violence. You've argued against his advocacy of rigging Intestine Bombs, but not against his advocacy of violent jihad, or his basic advocacy of terrorism. I think this is wrong and is the fundamental issue.
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
People need something that they can see to believe in. That's why they will believe the Pope.
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter? There might be no way. After all, there isn't any way to tell if you are a government agent in the 9/11 thread, rather than simply a misinformed, unthinking sheeple.
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter? I don't know? He is supposed in be in London, but all references that Google finds are related to this. In any case a fatwa is the opinion of someone who has had some religious training. But it is nothing like an official rule. Each cleric, be he a mullah, or imam or ulama; has strength based on how many followers agree with him. Because of this you get all sorts of crazy fatwas. So I have no idea whether this is a hoax or not, however there are a lot of red flags: 1. Unknown anonymous cleric 2. Likely fake name 3. *First appearing on a propaganda website 4. Shocking and hard to believe statement *Here a just a few MEMRI board members and board advisers. Oliver "Buck" Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General Paul Bremer, former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University. Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs
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So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher".
Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter? I don't know? He is supposed in be in London, but all references that Google finds are related to this. In any case a fatwa is the opinion of someone who has had some religious training. But it is nothing like an official rule. Each cleric, be he a mullah, or imam or ulama; has strength based on how many followers agree with him. Because of this you get all sorts of crazy fatwas. So I have no idea whether this is a hoax or not, however there are a lot of red flags: 1. Unknown anonymous cleric 2. Likely fake name 3. *First appearing on a propaganda website 4. Shocking and hard to believe statement *Here a just a few MEMRI board members and board advisers. Oliver "Buck" Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General Paul Bremer, former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University. Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs." Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA. Here are som others - http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1
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Comedy gold! lol Now i know if I catch a Jinn in the garden i can eat it. I think of a fatwa like an opinion from a preacher. One might say "God hates fags" another might say "Gay people can marry in a church". Who is right is subject of debate.
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Comedy gold! lol Now i know if I catch a Jinn in the garden i can eat it. I think of a fatwa like an opinion from a preacher. One might say "God hates fags" another might say "Gay people can marry in a church". Who is right is subject of debate. May I humbly suggest, though that you enlist the aid of this Atheist when you encounter and catch your Jinn. I will instruct you properly in how to deal with creatures from other dimensions, while the ancient texts will not. For example, your Jinn may know tomorrow, and for a price he may tell us secrets of tomorrow. What price? You never know unless you ask. A Jinn may never have heard of Paint. Just think, a simple can of spray paint may buy you the secret to tomorrow's lottery.
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