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July 26, 2012, 05:14:41 PM
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But still good luck building a case in china...
You must have had a HUGE account with bitcoinica building such an international case ranging into corruption havens such as china.
Not even if I possessed all bitcoinica funds I would waste my funds for taking a chance there. In relation to internationally enforced cases we are talking about peanuts here.


...but as I stated earlier not all bitcoiners are pacific hackers - I personally from what I know would fear for my life being involved in this.
For all those still hoping for their fund - write it off finally and enjoy the crime story evolving.
You don't need to go for an investigation into China.

Report it to the police, and sue Bitcoinica.

I mean, we know of one guy who had 24000BTC on there, that's a $350000ish deposit, if that's not worth time in court to you then clearly your time is more valuable than mine  Cheesy

Then, let the Bitcoinica guys pull off all of Zhoutong's fingernails til they get the money back  Wink
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July 26, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
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You're simply not going to get everyone to agree on a course of action here.  Even if Bitcoinica agrees to do deals with shadowy Chinese fraudsters, it in no way guarantees that not just the theft, but also the deal won't be reported to law enforcement.  Zhou can't promise that it's not going to be reported and neither can Bitcoinica.

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July 26, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
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i seriously doubt Zhou could've "discovered" all this info and forced a confession in less than 6h from Aurumexchanges Public announcement.

Me too, but I am going to keep giving Zhou the benefit of the doubt no matter how unlikely it sounds until he's either convicted or innocent.

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July 26, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
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Me too, but I am going to keep giving Zhou the benefit of the doubt no matter how unlikely it sounds until he's either convicted or innocent.
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July 26, 2012, 06:09:31 PM
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i seriously doubt Zhou could've "discovered" all this info and forced a confession in less than 6h from Aurumexchanges Public announcement.

Me too, but I am going to keep giving Zhou the benefit of the doubt no matter how unlikely it sounds until he's either convicted or innocent.

The benefit of doubt is fine as for his guilt.

That does not mean authorities shouldn't investigate this affair to determine his guilt.

Else no crime ever would be investigated. Innocent until proven else does not mean immunity to investigation.

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July 26, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
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That does not mean authorities shouldn't investigate this affair to determine his guilt.

Else no crime ever would be investigated. Innocent until proven else does not mean immunity to investigation.

Didn't say anything else, my friend. I wish an investigation happens as quickly as possible.

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July 26, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
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Did he admit the wrong-doing?

Surprisingly, yes...


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July 26, 2012, 06:22:01 PM
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Voice recording of of the suspect admitting guilt or this is bs.

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July 26, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
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Months of mudslinging and you manage to solve the riddle within just a few short hours and you never thought of confronting this mystery millionaire previous business partner before all this came to light ?

Tickle me suprised, VERY SURPRISED.

Agreed. Sounds like a 'dog ate my homework' story.
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July 26, 2012, 07:58:53 PM
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Just thought I'd toss the link to the original rackspace hack back up here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.0

Even then there were people noticing how convenient it was that Zhou Tong just happened to be online to foil the first Rackspace hack (after losing 18.5kBTC). It's too bad that he wasn't able to stop the nasty hacker from deleting the database and all the backups as well; if he had been able to at least save a backup of the database people would have been able to get their money out of Bitcoinica and it wouldn't be sitting there for his Chinese business partner to steal in the latest "hack".
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July 26, 2012, 08:03:39 PM
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Whoops! root password reset over a mailing-list
Whoops! failed to make backups & unrecoverable.
Whoops! failed to take ownership after public announcement
Whoops! failed to file GP legal paperwork
Whoops! failed to register with a dispute resolution scheme
Whoops! source code leaked
Whoops! forgot to change master password to something other than a public API key
Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on lastpass
Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox
Whoops! 33% of customer funds stolen
Whoops! Christopher Heaslip's MtGox account compromised.
Whoops! Zhou's secret gmail got hijacked
Whoops! Zhou's millionaire & credit-card fraudster business associate did it.

I am a pretty gullible person, and have been trying very hard to rationalize and believe all the stories over the last couple of months. But I think I just reached a limit; My mind reels trying to accept Zhou's latest revelations. It is all just too fantastical and implausible.

Don't get me wrong, I *want* to believe (just like I would still like to believe in Santa) but I ... just ... can ... not ... do ... it...anymore. There is a limit to the amount of BS someone can take and I've just reached that point. (...If I could turn BS into BTC I would have earned back all my funds already by now)
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July 26, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
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Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox

2factor WAS enabled on MtGox originally, but turned off before the hack occurred.

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July 26, 2012, 08:33:50 PM
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Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox

2factor WAS enabled on MtGox originally, but turned off before the hack occurred.
Source? And why would anyone disable 2FA? Huh

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July 26, 2012, 08:34:50 PM
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Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox

2factor WAS enabled on MtGox originally, but turned off before the hack occurred.
Source? And why would anyone disable 2FA? Huh

In order to "lose" a quarter million dollars?
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July 26, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
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Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox

2factor WAS enabled on MtGox originally, but turned off before the hack occurred.
Source? And why would anyone disable 2FA? Huh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55815.msg665875#msg665875

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July 26, 2012, 08:56:43 PM
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Whoops! forgot to enable 2factor on MtGox

2factor WAS enabled on MtGox originally, but turned off before the hack occurred.
Source? And why would anyone disable 2FA? Huh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55815.msg665875#msg665875
and we had to set up another account for automated Mt. Gox code withdrawals till recently.

that was a second account they setup without secondary. their primary account has 2-factor.  But, conveniently the money that recently went missing was loaded ont he old secondary account without 2-factor.  You are misreading to see any where that they would say it was removed.

What was changed not long ago was raising the limits to the current max on the secondary account....

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July 26, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
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i seriously doubt Zhou could've "discovered" all this info and forced a confession in less than 6h from Aurumexchanges Public announcement.

Why not?  Once he confronted the guilty party they obviously became deeply afraid and would be more than willing to try and find a solution.  Had the evidence of the e-mail break in been shared with Zhou Tong earlier the true culprit would have been discovered earlier, you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction here.

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July 26, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
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i seriously doubt Zhou could've "discovered" all this info and forced a confession in less than 6h from Aurumexchanges Public announcement.

Why not?  Once he confronted the guilty party they obviously became deeply afraid and would be more than willing to try and find a solution.  Had the evidence of the e-mail break in been shared with Zhou Tong earlier the true culprit would have been discovered earlier, you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction here.

It was actually 69 minutes from the point Zhou said he would look into it, to when he wrote his very detailed post about what had happened.  Writing that post alone would have taken 20 minutes!  That's a very short window to contact someone you haven't spoken to in at least 6 months, convince them to admit to the theft and give you all the details about how it was done.

Also - if they were "deeply afraid", why did they only offer up 20k bitcoins?  Wouldn't they have returned everything that was stolen, esp if they were rich?

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July 26, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
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It's plenty of time.  The hacker obviously new the jig was up so the conversation did not need to last long at all.

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July 26, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
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It's plenty of time.  The hacker obviously new the jig was up so the conversation did not need to last long at all.

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