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July 31, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
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Please, can we allow this thread to stay on the topic of Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack?

Thank you very much.
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July 31, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
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Actually there is. While ZT at least tries to pay back the funds, the overall impression from mlawrence (and a few others) is that he tries to prevent exactly this from happening. Now the only one in the world that does not like a payback to happen is the actually thief himself, so...

... that's why ZT has only returned 15k of the 40k bitcoins he has stolen?
Maybe he did not steal this himself, but somebody else, lets call him Chen, did it, and ZT takes time to get it back?

Chen exists no where except in Zhou's mind.
Right now only Zhou knows for sure, if Chen really exists, so your knowledge would prove that you are Zhou Wink
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July 31, 2012, 03:45:11 PM
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I have a feeling Mr. Tong is going to default on this. Is there any evidence that there is enough funds to cover all the claims?
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July 31, 2012, 03:46:57 PM
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I have a feeling Mr. Tong is going to default on this. Is there any evidence that there is enough funds to cover all the claims?

Zhou is actually his surname.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81581.0

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July 31, 2012, 03:48:01 PM
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This is a classic example of victim blaming.

1. Attack Zhou Tong based on little evidence
2. When Zhou Tong says he's feeling like a victim, blame him more
3. Zhou Tong produces proof, deny the proof
4. Produce falsifiable evidence, deny falsifiability
5. Continue attacking the victim despite calls to stop
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July 31, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
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1. Attack Zhou Tong based on little evidence

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.0

(I know this wont change your mind - but I post it for future readers who find this through a search engine)

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July 31, 2012, 03:52:17 PM
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1. Attack Zhou Tong based on little evidence

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.0

(I know this wont change your mind - but I post it for future readers who find this through a search engine)
Do you think I could possibly have missed that? It being the single point of attack for all my arguments?

In response, I post this equally likely and more credible response: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.0

But I know: it won't change your mind.
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July 31, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
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From the guy who tried to sell lifepath.me on eBay and which Zhou Tong owns. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=140610305563&nma=true&rt=nc&si=mAWggEYKpH4g2H7aZLAFESK6gGA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_3383wt_1185

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July 31, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
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this whole thing here is much more better than any movie ever, except Matrix I and Inception...  Grin

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July 31, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
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This is a classic example of victim blaming.

Zhou has still not been able to explain selling LR using his own QQ account from the LR account Zhou said "the hacker" created.

You conveniently pass this over every time. Your shilling is beyond obvious - I just can't figure out why.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063838#msg1063838

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063850#msg1063850

So, I have done a deal "for a friend" on AurumXchange using my own account.

And I have also done a deal "for a friend" on QQ using a friend's account?

Both happened before I had any clue of the investigation.

I did the deals, but all in much larger amounts with my own account.

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July 31, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
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It looks like Zhou Tong has a pantent. Quite a feat for a 17 year old.

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US 8,213,196 B2   

POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT WITH PROTECTING CIRCUIT HAVING SWITCH ELEMENT FOR PROTECTING PULSE WIDTH MODULATION CIRCUIT
He-Kang Zhou, Shenzhen (China); and Tong Zhou, Shenzhen (China)
Assigned to Innocom Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd., Shenzhen (China); and Chimei Innolux Corporation, Miaoli County (Taiwan)
Filed on Dec. 29, 2008, as Appl. No. 12/317,865.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week27/OG/html/1380-1/US08213196-20120703.html

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July 31, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
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It looks like Zhou Tong has a pantent. Quite a feat for a 17 year old.

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US 8,213,196 B2   

POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT WITH PROTECTING CIRCUIT HAVING SWITCH ELEMENT FOR PROTECTING PULSE WIDTH MODULATION CIRCUIT
He-Kang Zhou, Shenzhen (China); and Tong Zhou, Shenzhen (China)
Assigned to Innocom Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd., Shenzhen (China); and Chimei Innolux Corporation, Miaoli County (Taiwan)
Filed on Dec. 29, 2008, as Appl. No. 12/317,865.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week27/OG/html/1380-1/US08213196-20120703.html
"Zhou Tong" is like "John Smith" around here, from what I gather, so that could be pretty much anyone.

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July 31, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
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This is a classic example of victim blaming.

Zhou has still not been able to explain selling LR using his own QQ account from the LR account Zhou said "the hacker" created.

You conveniently pass this over every time. Your shilling is beyond obvious - I just can't figure out why.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063838#msg1063838

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063850#msg1063850

So, I have done a deal "for a friend" on AurumXchange using my own account.

And I have also done a deal "for a friend" on QQ using a friend's account?

Both happened before I had any clue of the investigation.

I did the deals, but all in much larger amounts with my own account.
Excellent FUD you are spreading here. Here's a list:

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Zhou has still not been able to explain selling LR using his own QQ account from the LR account Zhou said "the hacker" created.

Uncertainty
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Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is neither that someone, for no reason, created a screenshot where your QQ-account would start selling LR that when the transactions were made turned out to come from the LR account you yourself stated that the hacker created.

Doubt
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The transactions you've so far claimed are completely unrelated and "for a friend", match up the LR account to information released much later by aurumxchange.

You have been just as much a shill as I have been. You are shilling because it is your rational opinion. This is mine.
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So what I think what ZT not want to happen is have to leave Australia for any reasons. But Australia don't want criminal individuals in it's country. What is the residence permit of him for Australia? And if he is guilty what's then?

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July 31, 2012, 04:22:03 PM
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https://founderdaily.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/dustin-curtis-awkwardly-ending-all-conversations-in-you-should-follow-me-on-twitter-here/

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July 31, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
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It looks like Zhou Tong has a pantent. Quite a feat for a 17 year old.

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US 8,213,196 B2   

POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT WITH PROTECTING CIRCUIT HAVING SWITCH ELEMENT FOR PROTECTING PULSE WIDTH MODULATION CIRCUIT
He-Kang Zhou, Shenzhen (China); and Tong Zhou, Shenzhen (China)
Assigned to Innocom Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd., Shenzhen (China); and Chimei Innolux Corporation, Miaoli County (Taiwan)
Filed on Dec. 29, 2008, as Appl. No. 12/317,865.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week27/OG/html/1380-1/US08213196-20120703.html
"Zhou Tong" is like "John Smith" around here, from what I gather, so that could be pretty much anyone.
+1. Zhou Tong (周同) is a quite common name in Chinese history, not to mention the immense amount of similar sounding variations (like 周侗 etc)

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July 31, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
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WTF! I just realized that I have 9-13 ignores. Is this telling me that all the earnest work that I am putting in to prove what this whole Bitcoinica thing is about is in vane?

I'm going to take a break from this for a few hours. I'm pretty sure that when I come back, I will be naming names. I've left clues out the ass hoping that others would pick up the mantle, but I guess that didn't work out so swell.

Later, all.

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July 31, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
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This is a classic example of victim blaming.

Zhou has still not been able to explain selling LR using his own QQ account from the LR account Zhou said "the hacker" created.

You conveniently pass this over every time. Your shilling is beyond obvious - I just can't figure out why.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063838#msg1063838

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1063850#msg1063850

So, I have done a deal "for a friend" on AurumXchange using my own account.

And I have also done a deal "for a friend" on QQ using a friend's account?

Both happened before I had any clue of the investigation.

I did the deals, but all in much larger amounts with my own account.



At this point I feel the shilling from rarity, dree12, and Mathew N. Queer comes from getting paid. Either that, or the first two are just sock puppets of this criminal organization spearheaded by Zhou.

You are right, no answer has been given as to why Zhou sold LR from an account that was supposedly opened by a hacker. There won't be either, because he can't make any shit up. He already stuck his foot in its entirety up his mouth on that one.

You know what is really interesting too? Zhou confessed that the email address used on the hacks was his "semi sock puppet secret email" that he used to test vulnerabilities on exchangers. He even went to say that he returned the funds he "stole" from an exchanger after finding a vulnerability.

So far so good... now, CHECK THIS OUT:

Yesterday, sock puppet dree12 starts a very detailed and carefully crafted list of Bitcoin hacks:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0

MINUTES after he starts this thread, BTC-E get's hack (Huh). Dree12 happily announces that if the projected numbers are right, the bitcoinica hack is number three on the list now, instead of number two. He posts a sensationalistic header in red big letters stating that the BTC-E hack is going on "Right now!"

Coincidence? Maybe... Zhou Tong hacking BTC-E to deflect attention from himself? MOST LIKELY, specially considering his previous statements about his pastime of "Finding vulnerabilities", and the obvious sock puppetry from dree12.



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July 31, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
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WTF! I just realized that I have 9-13 ignores. Is this telling me that all the earnest work that I am putting in to prove what this whole Bitcoinica thing is about is in vane?

I'm going to take a break from this for a few hours. I'm pretty sure that when I come back, I will be naming names. I've left clues out the ass hoping that others would pick up the mantle, but I guess that didn't work out so swell.

Later, all.

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I was reading all you posted here and in the other thread.
And honestly, that stuff is too random to me.. Its like getting an uncommented sourcecode from someone - I would eventually scrap it and start all over again.. ;-)
Don't worry about the ignores. I have had a strong itch to start ignoring people here of lately. Seems like quite a few people are somewhat tense.. heh

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July 31, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
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Yesterday, sock puppet dree12 starts a very detailed and carefully crafted list of Bitcoin hacks:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0

MINUTES after he starts this thread, BTC-E get's hack (Huh). Dree12 happily announces that if the projected numbers are right, the bitcoinica hack is number three on the list now, instead of number two. He posts a sensationalistic header in red big letters stating that the BTC-E hack is going on "Right now!"

Coincidence? Maybe... Zhou Tong hacking BTC-E to deflect attention from him? MOST LIKELY, specially considering his previous statements about his pastime of "Finding vulnerabilities", and the obvious sock puppetry from dree12.
I just want to clear this up.

1. The thread was posted in May of this year. I did not start it "yesterday".
2. I am not a sock-puppet of Zhou Tong. In fact, I registered earlier than him.
3. The thread is meant to be as neutral as possible. I have listed Zhou as a suspect for the hack with as much recognition as he deserves.
4. The red header is meant as a warning. It is much less sensationalist now.
5. The value hacked from BTC-E is now listed at 4500 BTC, the official estimate.

As I have been accused of sockpuppetry many times now, I will now withdraw from this thread, along with my radical views. I can assure you, this is my only account on these forums.
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