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July 27, 2012, 12:35:55 AM
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This kind of witch hunt depresses my confidence in the forum. Clearly, people would rather trust some anonymous person who posts "new evidence" without base than rational arguments.

With varying definitions of anonymous and rational, of course:

I am the owner of www.cnbtcnews.com. I introduce bitcoin to chinese people.
The evidence is from one person of my qq group.
zhoutong sell LR, and he buy LR from zhoutong.

How does this person know for sure Zhou Thong was behind U9236056?

He buy LR from zhoutong ,zhoutong show the LR account and the total fund is $23439.57.

How do you know he bought it from "ZT" if it was just over electronic communication?
Many people in China of bitcoin community knows zhoutong's qq account, so that's zhoutong.
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July 27, 2012, 12:38:55 AM
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This kind of witch hunt depresses my confidence in the forum. Clearly, people would rather trust some anonymous person who posts "new evidence" without base than rational arguments.

With varying definitions of anonymous and rational, of course:

I am the owner of www.cnbtcnews.com. I introduce bitcoin to chinese people.
The evidence is from one person of my qq group.
zhoutong sell LR, and he buy LR from zhoutong.

How does this person know for sure Zhou Thong was behind U9236056?

He buy LR from zhoutong ,zhoutong show the LR account and the total fund is $23439.57.

How do you know he bought it from "ZT" if it was just over electronic communication?
Many people in China of bitcoin community knows zhoutong's qq account, so that's zhoutong.
Right, "many" people. Yep, solid evidence here.

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Many people in Japan of bitcoin community knows satoshi's satoshidice account, so that's satoshi.

I apologize for my attitude, and apologize in advance if I am wrong (which there is a substantial chance of, I admit). But right now, there is insufficient evidence to convince me that Zhou Tong is guilty.
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July 27, 2012, 12:40:43 AM
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Regarding zhoutong.com.

By my estimate there are at least 5,000 people in China with name Zhou Tong (it can be 周同, 周通, 周彤, 周童, 周佟, 周统, 周仝, 周潼, 周筒 and many other variations).

I purchased zhoutong.com in March 2012 from a guy called 周佟 (Zhou Tong), for an iPad + iPhone (some Chinese love this stuff).

I was using zhoutong.me before that, and I also control ryanzhou.com and zhoutong.org.

I once had some difficulties in opening a bank account because another guy named Zhou Tong had suspicious political affiliations and he was in some blocked persons list. But the banker quickly resolved this issue after confirming that I'm a different Zhou Tong.

So, it's really not necessary to discuss my name.

I dont think you get what is coming upon you. A few weeks ago someone got beaten and killed here because they wanted the change he was carrying in his wallet. People do crazy shit for like this for under $10 what do you think is going to happen for half a million dollars ?

You need to protect yourself  because I dont think you realise the extreme danger you are now facing. As an outsider without a stake in bitcoinica I can see the shit rolling down the hill towards you. You need bodyguards at a minimum.

If he is lucky only a couple of script kiddies send him evil mails. To put it in proportion it is the value of a house spread amongst 5000 users - more than getting seriously beaten up is not to fear.

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July 27, 2012, 12:46:49 AM
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Right, "many" people. Yep, solid evidence here.

http://q.3hk.cn/u/zhoutong.html

I fail to see why you're arguing against something that only takes seconds to verify.

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July 27, 2012, 12:48:39 AM
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It's plenty of time.  The hacker obviously new the jig was up so the conversation did not need to last long at all.

There was even time enough to talk about the weather and how each other's tomato plants are faring. Therefore, I have to agree that 69 minutes was more than enough time for all the said events to take place. Hell, remember, it only took 4 hours to build Bitcoinica.

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July 27, 2012, 12:50:50 AM
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Right, "many" people. Yep, solid evidence here.

http://q.3hk.cn/u/zhoutong.html

I fail to see why you're arguing against something that only takes seconds to verify.

http://blockchain.info/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX

Do you still dispute that that address belongs to satoshi?

Please, respect my right to be skeptical.
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July 27, 2012, 12:54:53 AM
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Please, respect my right to be skeptical.

Of course. However, you tried to dispute that the QQ account claimed to be selling LR from the address Zhou himself said was created by the "hacker" was indeed Zhou's, and I just used Zhou's own post to prove to you that it is. There's a difference between being skeptical and plain silly.

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July 27, 2012, 12:55:53 AM
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The guy contacted me a few days ago asking "How is it going?" after half a year of silence, and I didn't reply him on the spot. (i.e. He's interested in talking to me, but I wasn't.)


Who is the guy? Is the guy Chen Jianhai?  The guy contacted you a few days ago after half a year's silence, and then asked you "How is it going" one or several hours ago?



He's quite available, especially at night.


Who is "He"? The above guy or Chen Jianhai?

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July 27, 2012, 12:57:51 AM
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It's plenty of time.  The hacker obviously new the jig was up so the conversation did not need to last long at all.

please... Roll Eyes
Read : "Please, let us continue our entertaining little witch hunt"

Yeah, sounds about right.  Like folks around here took 69 minutes to wait to grab the pitchforks when aurumxchange posted their misleading info?

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Please speak for yourself.  In my line of work I believe in being totally open about who I am and what I do for my clients.  The best way to prevent people from attacking you is for there to be nothing to attack.

If you would like some consultations on how to manage any public relations fallout from your current situation please contact me via private message to discuss rates.
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July 27, 2012, 12:58:40 AM
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The guy contacted me a few days ago asking "How is it going?" after half a year of silence, and I didn't reply him on the spot. (i.e. He's interested in talking to me, but I wasn't.)


Who is the guy? Is the guy Chen Jianhai?  The guy contacted you a few days ago after half a year's silence, and then asked you "How is it going" one or several hours ago?



He's quite available, especially at night.


Who is "He"? The above guy or Chen Jianhai?
He is talking about Chen Jianhai

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July 27, 2012, 01:00:54 AM
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I apologize for my attitude, and apologize in advance if I am wrong (which there is a substantial chance of, I admit). But right now, there is insufficient evidence to convince me that Zhou Tong is guilty.

Actually, all the evidence points towards Zhou Tong.  There is insufficient evidence that Chen Jianhai is guilty.  All we have is Zhou's desperate lies.

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July 27, 2012, 01:02:03 AM
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OP: BULLSHIT!

You bastard! You stole my post. You're lucky I'm busy with connecting zhoutong.com1 with zhoutong.com2 with zhoutong.com3, otherwise I would be hunting you down to kick your ass while dressed as a drag queen.  Wink

~Bruno~


hehe, sounds kinky. I knew you were otherwise indisposed at the time and did not want to leave the first round of repsonses lacking in a large font statement of profound wisdom. ;p

You really want to know how busy I've been? I've done nothing but research in the past 8 hours (and a little RL shit), and just now got to this post.

Wish me luck.

~Bruno~
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July 27, 2012, 01:05:18 AM
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This whole thing is really sad from the hacks to the replies on the forum.
I can only imagine how someone new to BTC would think looking at the thread topics on the front page alone without delving into the steaming pile of shit that has been generated in them.
Damn what a fool I am for thinking that this community may be a little more advanced in their thinking than the general populace.
Way to go folks, doing wonders for BTC.
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July 27, 2012, 01:07:44 AM
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Jointops420, do not blame the mirror for the ugly face.

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July 27, 2012, 01:10:44 AM
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As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?

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July 27, 2012, 01:11:23 AM
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Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.

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July 27, 2012, 01:14:04 AM
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As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?
Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.
This is absolutely ridiculous. If no clear suspect is present, blaming "Liu Haipeng" or "the Chinese government" is not a method to find a clear suspect. What happened to logically waiting for the evidence from Mt. Gox's police report?
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July 27, 2012, 01:15:42 AM
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As much as you think that you continuing to post as well as pumping your statements and business out there is serving as evidence of your innocence. I do suggest you stop. There is nothing you can post here, publicly at least, that will help your situation in the least bit. As stated before, if I were you I would lawyer up and discuss this privately with the subjects involved. After all, You have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against you.
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July 27, 2012, 01:22:12 AM
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As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?


Someone sent a small amount of money to the bank account and determined that it's a debit card account linked to a credit card.  Of course Zhou has stated that this guy is a credit card fraudster.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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July 27, 2012, 01:33:42 AM
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As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?


Someone sent a small amount of money to the bank account and determined that it's a debit card account linked to a credit card. 

Is there a link you can provide for this?
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