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August 01, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
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At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue.

Right, he should just give all his information to you so you can post it publicly for your lynch mob here, you aren't as clever as you think.

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August 01, 2012, 02:29:31 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97099.0

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.

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August 01, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.

Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross?

I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself.

I'm waiting, not delaying.

Send it Patrick Muirk as you sent the first 15k BTC. You could ague that you are waiting for bank account information for the fiat (which may or may not be true) but you can't argue that for the 5k BTC. We already know there is an address you can send that to.
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August 01, 2012, 02:30:58 AM
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I have not received a single email from AurumXchange and all communication from them is the support ticket.

Sounds about right.

It's highly obvious that they only want to let the public know their "heroic" acts and they have no interest in solving this matter with involved individuals.
I get this feeling as well. No sane exchange would actively libel against their customer. Even CryptoXChange has the common sense to not talk shit about people who are even PROVEN to scam and steal bank accounts and attempt to launder through them etc, because the law prohibits discussing active cases. It's clear they are only -beginning- to make this an 'actual' case after they realized their mistake and are probably not even a registered company by the looks of the continued refusal to provide basic contact information. Charlie wouldn't flinch to provide contact information. Neither would Mark Karples. If Aurumxchange is legit, why aren't they giving contact information?

we gave each other $10,000 of mutual line of credit in that deal.
That also makes perfect sense since this entire thread seemed like an -emotional- response to you directly more than anything logical. Even the people here who  believe you're a thief were taken back by their unprofessionalism in even starting this libelous, privacy agreement breaking thread.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97099.0

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.

I smell a permaban.

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August 01, 2012, 02:31:59 AM
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Public clarification #2
There is solid evidence that the $5,000 was Bitcoinica's stolen properties, because the email and LR account matched the hacker's identity. The bank account was purchased from the black market though.

It is interesting that you consider the fact that the email matched the one used to perform the hack "solid evidence". The only solid evidence we have so far (as per your own admission) is that the email used to launder the proceedings of Bitcoinica was created by you, and was under your control, at least at some point in time. We also have an exchange order using that email requesting funds to be wired to a stolen chinese bank account purchased in the black market (as per your own admission). Do you follow? You still think we are not legally obligated to hold your funds?

We have sent you the address where to elevate claims, along with a request from KYC information, which we are well within our rights to request. We have also sent you our company address as well, contrary to your statements on this forum. You are refusing to provide KYC information under the basis that we are a "shady" company, completely ignoring the fact that we have no public track record of wrong doing, that we have been operating since 2007, and that you considered us trustworthy enough to make us funding partners in Bitcoinica AND to use us to exchange $40k USD on behalf of a friend.

In any case, this conversation is an exercise in futility. At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue.

Roberto

Please provide proof of the "sent" information.

I haven't received any email from you and no other emails from AurumXchange was identified as spam.

I didn't expect you to lie at all, and I always thought you are following legal instructions carefully in your country.

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August 01, 2012, 02:34:04 AM
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.

Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross?

I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself.

I'm waiting, not delaying.

Send it Patrick Muirk as you sent the first 15k BTC. You could ague that you are waiting for bank account information for the fiat (which may or may not be true) but you can't argue that for the 5k BTC. We already know there is an address you can send that to.

To my best knowledge, he is holding this case at the moment to obtain instruction from Bitcoinica regarding a minor aspect of his representation.

You can email him personally to request that. He's very responsive and he acts in interest of Bitcoinica clients, and I have no problem of following his instructions. Just do that and I'll follow his instruction within reasonable timeframe.

Thanks for understanding!

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August 01, 2012, 02:37:09 AM
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

I have not received a single email from AurumXchange and all communication from them is the support ticket.

Sounds about right.

It's highly obvious that they only want to let the public know their "heroic" acts and they have no interest in solving this matter with involved individuals.
I get this feeling as well. No sane exchange would actively libel against their customer. Even CryptoXChange has the common sense to not talk shit about people who are even PROVEN to scam and steal bank accounts and attempt to launder through them etc, because the law prohibits discussing active cases. It's clear they are only -beginning- to make this an 'actual' case after they realized their mistake and are probably not even a registered company by the looks of the continued refusal to provide basic contact information. Charlie wouldn't flinch to provide contact information. Neither would Mark Karples. If Aurumxchange is legit, why aren't they giving contact information?

we gave each other $10,000 of mutual line of credit in that deal.
That also makes perfect sense since this entire thread seemed like an -emotional- response to you directly more than anything logical. Even the people here who  believe you're a thief were taken back by their unprofessionalism in even starting this libelous, privacy agreement breaking thread.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97099.0

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.

I smell a permaban.
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August 01, 2012, 02:40:57 AM
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

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I am seriously planning to stalk a child.  Game's over for you and Zhou.

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August 01, 2012, 02:42:17 AM
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

He straight up admits he is planning to stalk him.  A ban for that would not exactly be a stretch, but you can't really blame him for getting caught up in the witch hunt that has been ginned up here.  Not everybody has the will to think about this stuff fairly and independently when there are calls for blood in the air.  

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August 01, 2012, 02:45:27 AM
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Responding to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97099.msg1069490#msg1069490

So now you're telling me sarcastically responding to a "Brony" 's baiting is permaban worthy?

Edit: And the trollish poster who leveled the child stalking accusation backs you up Matthew, rofl. Hey, Rarity, if you aren't already a member of Something Awful, you'd fit right in fyi.

Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

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August 01, 2012, 02:48:10 AM
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Responding to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97099.msg1069490#msg1069490

So now you're telling me sarcastically responding to a "Brony" 's baiting is permaban worthy?

Edit: And the trollish poster who leveled the child stalking accusation backs you up Matthew, rofl. Hey, Rarity, if you aren't already a member of Something Awful, you'd fit right in fyi.

Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

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I am seriously planning to stalk a child.  Game's over for you and Zhou.

Ask Theymos if someone's thread specifically calling for action against someone and saying he will stalk them is worth banning. Not my forum, but it smells like a permaban to me. Do you disagree?

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August 01, 2012, 02:49:21 AM
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You guys may call it stalking, but the kid stole half a million dollars.  I'm bringing him to justice, and no court in the world will call that stalking.  If Zhou's payroll perma-bans me, then that's life.

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August 01, 2012, 02:49:34 AM
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How about we all stop attacking each other and keep this thread on topic.

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People already have enough pages to read through to get the whole story on this. Your fighting and off topic arguing is more crap that people who actually want to follow this thread have to go through.
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August 01, 2012, 02:50:20 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

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You guys may call it stalking

You already admitted it, which is way more evidence of guilt than you have against Zhou Tong, who you are threatening to stalk and physically assault.

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August 01, 2012, 02:51:31 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1057298#msg1057298

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

Stealing $500,000 is not okay.  

People have been killed for a lot less - stop living in your imaginary pink unicorn world.

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August 01, 2012, 02:52:44 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1057298#msg1057298

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

Stealing $500,000 is not okay.  

People have been killed for a lot less - stop living in your imaginary pink unicorn world.

And now has referenced murdering Zhou.

"Money is like manure: Spread around, it helps things grow. Piled up in one place, it just stinks."
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August 01, 2012, 02:53:07 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1057298#msg1057298

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

Stealing $500,000 is not okay.  

People have been killed for a lot less - stop living in your imaginary pink unicorn world.

It's going to burn when you're banned for free  Cheesy.

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August 01, 2012, 02:53:35 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1057298#msg1057298

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

Stealing $500,000 is not okay.  

People have been killed for a lot less - stop living in your imaginary pink unicorn world.

And now has referenced murdering Zhou.

 Cheesy

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August 01, 2012, 02:54:26 AM
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He's not just stalking him, he is also referencing acts of violence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95913.msg1057307#msg1057307

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I don't think she's going to use a lawyer.   Wink

And you have some nerve trying to hide behind the law after stealing from us.

Maybe you should start picking out wheelchairs?   Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1057298#msg1057298

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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

This is not okay.

Stealing $500,000 is not okay.  

People have been killed for a lot less - stop living in your imaginary pink unicorn world.

It still doesn't make it okay to threaten violence. This very well could lead to the first Bitcoin related murder but I hope that day never happens. If he is guilty, the law will prove it and punish him. It will take time, but that's something you have to be willing to accept. Get your head on straight.
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August 01, 2012, 02:54:40 AM
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Cheesy

Stick to your pot Rarity - you don't belong in the real world.
Neither do you.

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