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August 01, 2012, 04:09:22 AM

Thanks LG - I am guilty of responding too often to people who are obviously trying to get my goat.  That will stop and I will simply ignore them.

I've already attracted serious interest in hiring the PI - we may go ahead and do that as early as this week.  If you are owed any significant sum by Zhou, and you intend to press criminal charges with the Australian police, please contact me.


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August 01, 2012, 04:34:24 AM

Bruno, please reply. It is very important to know what you might to know!

I'm trying to say that all the key players who back Zhou Tong know damn well that he is not real. All of this is just a ploy. We are being played. Sorry for having to leave you all hand a while longer, but I know need to go an meet a client.

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Bruno, if you're back from the meeting with your client please give us a sign of alive here! Please take care!!



Got back from Iowa earlier, and stopped in off-topic first. Something caught my eye, and went into another Google Fu mode. Then came here and noticed there's seven pages following my last post, whereupon I had to go make a fresh pot of coffee. I stopped to reply to this one, and still 6+ pages out. I will add what may be needed once I finish reading. I may even post prior and it may come up as back-to-back posts. If so, please forgive me.

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August 01, 2012, 04:35:23 AM

While I don't necessarily agree with the wording, I think AurumXchange needs to publicly state their business registration information. You have referenced Dominican law but have not provided an address, Dominican or otherwise.

For prospective customers, please state your business address and registration information on this forum and on your website. With this information, you will inspire the confidence of more people who are just hearing of your business the first time. I ask you not to release your contact information for Zhou, but for prospective customers everywhere.

 I don't understand why they haven't done this already, publicly.

 If they are a respectable, on-the-level business entity, why aren't they more forthcoming with publicly making available their business registration info, address, contact info, or otherwise ?
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August 01, 2012, 04:37:43 AM

If ZouhTong is not a real person...WHO did Matthew from Bitcoin Magazine interview in that Video for Bitcoinica ?

http://bitcoinmagazine.net/10-questions-with-zhou-tong/

WTF ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43861.0

http://bittalk.tv/?p=105

Some other Asian guy with a more mature voice than a 16(+)-year-old. A PLANT! Listen to "Zhou Tong" again in that video.

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August 01, 2012, 04:52:00 AM

Thanks LG - I am guilty of responding too often to people who are obviously trying to get my goat.  That will stop and I will simply ignore them.

I've already attracted serious interest in hiring the PI - we may go ahead and do that as early as this week.  If you are owed any significant sum by Zhou, and you intend to press criminal charges with the Australian police, please contact me.



Just remember folks, if you give money to an admitted stalker to follow through on his threats of violence, law enforcement will be wanting to speak with you.

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August 01, 2012, 04:52:38 AM

we all know and love Phin but he has this obnoxious habit of going off on witch hunts involving the worst logic and thought processes i've ever seen.  Tom Williams is the penultimate example.  he couldn't connect 2 dots if you drew it on a piece of paper for him.  Wink
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LOL - if you really want to see a connection: http://dcao.org/?page_id=36

WTF!!!

Amazing isn't it! With all of Bruno's superpowers he can't spot the obvious. LOL


This is odd! I just did a search on this forum of where I cleared stated not once, but at least three times that the voice in that video was not of a 16+-year-old kid. Perhaps they were removed. Does anybody here remember reading any of those posts penned by me?

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@Roberto: Please post your legitimate business registration/contact information in this thread for informational purposes so that Zhou's attorney can have it to address you officially and so that the community can also benefit from the knowledge that you are a rock in the community with a legitimate business interest and not just a personal vendetta.

While I don't necessarily agree with the wording, I think AurumXchange needs to publicly state their business registration information. You have referenced Dominican law but have not provided an address, Dominican or otherwise.

For prospective customers, please state your business address and registration information on this forum and on your website. With this information, you will inspire the confidence of more people who are just hearing of your business the first time. I ask you not to release your contact information for Zhou, but for prospective customers everywhere.

Answered my own question through some research

https://www.aurumxchange.com/content/AML

"Dominica law makes it illegal for AURUM CAPITAL HOLDINGS INC., its employees, agents, or customers to knowingly engage, or attempt to engage in a monetary transaction in criminally derived property"


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http://www.icpcredit.com/Companies/Aurum_Capital_Holdings_Incorporated/398240.company

ID 398782
Company Aurum Capital Holdings Incorporated
Street 8 Copthall
PO Box 2342
Town Roseau
Country Dominica
Report Date 04 October 2011


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https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20298268-mt-gox-aurumxchange-partnership-european-transfers-now-available

"About AurumXchange
 
Aurum Capital Holdings, Inc. was founded on 2007 by a group of seasoned professionals in the technology and electronic payment industry. Since then, the company has been providing software and security services in the e-currency and electronic payment industry. In 2009, Aurum Capital Holdings decided to start an electronic currency business called The Aurum Exchange Company, quickly becoming one of the biggest and most trusted e-currency exchangers in the world. The AurumXchange company is a certified exchanger for GlobalDigitalPay, Solid Trust Pay, HD-Money, C-Gold, and it is also the official wholesaler for CosmicPay. We also work with Liberty Reserve and the company is currently undergoing the certification process to become a certified exchanger. The company is incorporated in the Commonwealth of Dominica, an offshore tax-free heaven with one of the strongest privacy and banking secrecy in the world"

---> http://188-165-140-240.ovh.net/
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don't get me wrong; i love Bruno.  he's got a good heart and has done more for the community than me.  and his investigations are just intriguing enough to reel you in.  i remember following him and trying to verify all his twists and turns he unveiled during his Who is Tom Williams investigation.  my mind ended up exploding.  oh yes, and he also has this nasty habit of parsing out his findings in a veiled and obtuse way, purposely.  i guess he likes getting everyone's panties twisted up.  Cheesy

There's some truth in the above. I'll start with the last part. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Not trying to cop out there, but it's a fact. As far as I know, I don't have a disorder, but sometimes I can seem to get my points across in readable manner. I also sometimes get excited inside and start penning before all the dots are actually connected.

Thanks for your post, cypherdoc, for it allowed me to express where I'm coming from.

Later, bud. (every time I type that line, it's meant as a friendly "see you later"--never as a snide remark)

~Bruno~
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August 01, 2012, 05:12:39 AM

If ZouhTong is not a real person...WHO did Matthew from Bitcoin Magazine interview in that Video for Bitcoinica ?

http://bitcoinmagazine.net/10-questions-with-zhou-tong/

WTF ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43861.0

http://bittalk.tv/?p=105

Some other Asian guy with a more mature voice than a 16(+)-year-old. A PLANT! Listen to "Zhou Tong" again in that video.

~Bruno~


Zhoutong -

To end this speculation just skype right now with one of the forum respected members.  I just listened to that interview you had.  If this is really you, I do not doubt that your english is that proficient, and I would imagine you are proficient at many other things. 

To me, some of the interview seems "scripted."  Just my opinion.  Not that it matters, it could still be your voice.  And I do believe that could be your voice, the voice of a 17 year old.  But, since there is all the sudden this idea floating around, why not put it to rest? 

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August 01, 2012, 05:37:07 AM

If ZouhTong is not a real person...WHO did Matthew from Bitcoin Magazine interview in that Video for Bitcoinica ?

http://bitcoinmagazine.net/10-questions-with-zhou-tong/

WTF ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43861.0

http://bittalk.tv/?p=105

Some other Asian guy with a more mature voice than a 16(+)-year-old. A PLANT! Listen to "Zhou Tong" again in that video.

~Bruno~


Zhoutong -

To end this speculation just skype right now with one of the forum respected members.  I just listened to that interview you had.  If this is really you, I do not doubt that your english is that proficient, and I would imagine you are proficient at many other things.  

To me, some of the interview seems "scripted."  Just my opinion.  Not that it matters, it could still be your voice.  And I do believe that could be your voice, the voice of a 17 year old.  But, since there is all the sudden this idea floating around, why not put it to rest?  



Isn't it my best interest to be a fake person right now?

I'm trying to do good and help people, but people don't give any merit to that.

To end the speculation now, Zhou Tong is fake and the guy behind it wants to help Bitcoinica customers to get their money back. Bitcoinica is just an illusional product that has never been built.

I believe some people will be very satisfied now.

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August 01, 2012, 05:44:34 AM

If ZouhTong is not a real person...WHO did Matthew from Bitcoin Magazine interview in that Video for Bitcoinica ?

http://bitcoinmagazine.net/10-questions-with-zhou-tong/

WTF ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43861.0

http://bittalk.tv/?p=105

Some other Asian guy with a more mature voice than a 16(+)-year-old. A PLANT! Listen to "Zhou Tong" again in that video.

~Bruno~


Zhoutong -

To end this speculation just skype right now with one of the forum respected members.  I just listened to that interview you had.  If this is really you, I do not doubt that your english is that proficient, and I would imagine you are proficient at many other things.  

To me, some of the interview seems "scripted."  Just my opinion.  Not that it matters, it could still be your voice.  And I do believe that could be your voice, the voice of a 17 year old.  But, since there is all the sudden this idea floating around, why not put it to rest?  



Isn't it my best interest to be a fake person right now?

I'm trying to do good and help people, but people don't give any merit to that.

To end the speculation now, Zhou Tong is fake and the guy behind it wants to help Bitcoinica customers to get their money back. Bitcoinica is just an illusional product that has never been built.

I believe some people will be very satisfied now.

Now that I have tracked down the official registration information for AurumXchange are you willing to provide them to proper documentation to get this cleared up? Your aggressive stance with them does not help your case at this point.
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August 01, 2012, 05:54:47 AM

This thread just gets more bizarre.

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If Zhou posts a picture of the hacker, and it's just himself with a huge fake moustache, he might become my favourite internet person ever.

I think he should go on skype with a wig and a fake moustache  Cheesy

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August 01, 2012, 06:03:17 AM

Matthew- Roberto has already dropped out of this thread, and no matter how well phrased your continued support for the criminal Zhou is
Sorry, lost me there when you called someone a criminal without any kind of investigation and all "proof" based on something a group that broke the law just to come here and start this thread says (who can't even provide their legal registration information on request). I won't say Zhou is guilty or not guilty, it's not my job. It's also not yours, that's kind of the point. Support for transparency and evidence is not support for Zhou, it's support for everyone. If you were being railed be the community I would fight for clarity and evidence and not jump to conclusions either.

You are pretty much covered in splatter from this train wreck already-
I think you overestimate the power of a few SA goons who have already been banned and their opinion of me because I interviewed a kid and talked to him regularly on Skype. When I see evidence that he's stolen funds, I will be the first person to say "He stole the funds!". Right now it seems like a witch hunt and you and everyone here should be ashamed of yourselves. No one has of yet been able to explain why he is guilty. His friend wanted him to write some funds? Okay....Does that mean he stole some money? He was efficient in getting a response? So am I? What does that prove? Not to sound like I'm thick or anything, but this community has proven time and time again to be completely wrong on many serious issues (even BFL) and never let go even when they've been proven wrong. When the subject of that obsessive abusive harassment and libel is a 17 year old, I don't jump to support -him-, I jump to get transparency on all counts. AurumXchange posting their thread -still- makes no sense. Why would that exchange break the law to post a thread on a forum? What's in it for them?


what is your upside for shilling for Zhou?
You can hate me for asking for evidence, but you can't call me a shill when I'm demanding people provide it. Call me an annoying devil's advocate or a lynch mob joy kill if you want to.

Personally the very last thing I would want to do with my investors group is associate with any of the criminals and incompetents who are the principals in this drama.
Who is associated with any of the criminals or incompetents in this drama? As far as I can see there is one clear criminal who posted a thread libeling against Zhou, and a highly suspicious and incompetent Zhou. The only one associating any "investor group" to this is you.

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August 01, 2012, 06:07:16 AM

It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney.  These are some serious accusations and he's providing evidence with no real strategy. 

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.

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It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney with the amount of money involved.

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.


Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?

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It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney with the amount of money involved.

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.


Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?
I think you need to reread that other topic. You're mistaking me for someone else.

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It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney with the amount of money involved.

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.


Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?
I think you need to reread that other topic. You're mistaking me for someone else.

No I'm not, and your cookie cutter approach to creating new identities is really insulting everyone's intellect.

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At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue.

Right, he should just give all his information to you so you can post it publicly for your lynch mob here, you aren't as clever as you think.

See! Even Rarity knows that the following is true.

Another Dustin Curtis Whois--the guy who had for sale lifepath.me on eBay and that Zhou Tong owns:

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Registrant:
Kevin Lim
Pine Grove, Block 1K, #01-39
Singapore, 599001
Singapore

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ISTHEREASON.COM
Created on: 08-Aug-04
Expires on: 08-Aug-13
Last Updated on: 09-Aug-11

Administrative Contact:
Lim, Kevin brainopera@gmail.com
Pine Grove, Block 1K, #01-39
Singapore, 599001
Singapore
+65.97371764

Technical Contact:
Lim, Kevin brainopera@gmail.com
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August 01, 2012, 06:42:53 AM

It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney with the amount of money involved.

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.


Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?
Cry  Why must I read this to get updates on Bitcoinica ?
There is this ignore button I learned to use... Quoting these idiots defeat my use of the tool.

Thanks to LoupGaroux for providing an insightful point of view and Bruno for trying to find proofs.

The last 6 page were 95% useless facepalm.
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It surprises me that Zhou wouldn't speak exclusively through an attorney with the amount of money involved.

The evidence that is building up here is going to make the plantiff's job very easy.


Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?
I think you need to reread that other topic. You're mistaking me for someone else.

No I'm not, and your cookie cutter approach to creating new identities is really insulting everyone's intellect.

http://dcao.org/?page_id=36  is zhou tong your business partner ?

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