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July 27, 2012, 01:35:53 AM

I read all this shit with both delectation (because of the thriller 2.0 spirit) and sadness for the victims.
A contradiction i didn't saw anywhere ( or just missed ) is the 100btc back from the theft to zhou "philanthropist refunding" account. it is strange to me because somewhere else zhou stated that his "ex-assosiate - cb-Frauder - theft" doesn't speak english.
am i missing anything here?

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July 27, 2012, 01:42:06 AM

As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?


Someone sent a small amount of money to the bank account and determined that it's a debit card account linked to a credit card.  

Is there a link you can provide for this?

Give me a few minutes.  It was last night so I'll have to search both threads.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.msg1055506#msg1055506

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July 27, 2012, 01:43:01 AM

Zhou knowingly worked with this imaginary creditcard fraudster.

Now ask yourself this, if Zhou worked with a known fraudster(in his own words, if this person exists) then why the hell do any of you believe anything he is posting here to defend himself ?

Are you all on happy drugs ?

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July 27, 2012, 01:46:21 AM

Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.

+++++1  Zhou is the code name of an agent acting on behalf of the Chinese government.  Phinn could you do some research on that.
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July 27, 2012, 01:56:33 AM

Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.

+++++1  Zhou is the code name of an agent acting on behalf of the Chinese government.  Phinn could you do some research on that.

It's the Illuminati.  It's always the Illuminati. 

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July 27, 2012, 01:59:24 AM

not at all like the Illuminati

More like the Chinese version of the stutnext virus.  Send by a nation state to secretly destroy this powerful new monetary invention bitcoin
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July 27, 2012, 02:05:58 AM

Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.

+++++1  Zhou is the code name of an agent acting on behalf of the Chinese government.  Phinn could you do some research on that.

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July 27, 2012, 02:20:31 AM

not at all like the Illuminati

More like the Chinese version of the stutnext virus.  Send by a nation state to secretly destroy this powerful new monetary invention bitcoin

I wish I could buy shares in tinfoil hats and pitchforks.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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July 27, 2012, 02:22:13 AM

not at all like the Illuminati

More like the Chinese version of the stutnext virus.  Send by a nation state to secretly destroy this powerful new monetary invention bitcoin

I wish I could buy shares in tinfoil hats and pitchforks.
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July 27, 2012, 02:50:17 AM

As pointed out that the owner of ICBC account is "LIU HAIPENG", so how about this clue? Did anyone get something from this guy except that the account is from Mudanjiang ? Did the owner "LIU HAIPENG" and ICBC know the statements in this forum?


Someone sent a small amount of money to the bank account and determined that it's a debit card account linked to a credit card. 

Is there a link you can provide for this?

Give me a few minutes.  It was last night so I'll have to search both threads.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.msg1055506#msg1055506

Damn I missed that somehow.  Thanks
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July 27, 2012, 03:10:43 AM

As angry as I am at Zhou for not making proper database backups, I think he is being framed.

The question I have is why Zhou would state that the suspect who supposedly admitted guilt, Chen Jianhai, is a multi-millionaire. What evidence or reason to believe does Zhou have that Chen is a millionaire if he has never met Chen in person? And what type of "webshop" did Chen operate where Zhou used his stevejobs email address and password? How can he confirm that Chen Jianhai is his actual identity?

What's even more curious is who is Zhou's "friend" with the tens of thousands of LR. The timing of Zhou's sales of LR is extremely unfortunate, seems very possible that Zhou could be unwittingly (I agree with others, zhou is probably not that stupid if he were the thief) selling the stolen BTC for this "friend". Zhou really let himself be set-up in offering to do this "favor"...

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July 27, 2012, 03:28:49 AM

I hadn't money involved in Bitcoinica.
Anyway, I think that if someday the AM will come, Chen Jianhai or/and Zhou will probably have something to worry about Smiley

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July 27, 2012, 03:49:45 AM

whats going on with legal action this is ridiculous, clearly bitcoinica never filed a police report because they where running a ponzi scheme, deleted database and said it was a hacker and this whole time it was a inside job. They aren't even processing any claims anymore. Sad to find out that you put US dollars to get paid in intrest and they can't even process that. There is 60% of customer funds left pay us back FACK. Please someone with deep pockets need to make sure that they don't get away with this.   

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
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July 27, 2012, 04:24:11 AM

I read all this shit with both delectation (because of the thriller 2.0 spirit) and sadness for the victims.
A contradiction i didn't saw anywhere ( or just missed ) is the 100btc back from the theft to zhou "philanthropist refunding" account. it is strange to me because somewhere else zhou stated that his "ex-assosiate - cb-Frauder - theft" doesn't speak english.
am i missing anything here?

I noticed this too. He didn't say that he doesn't speak english, just that he's not proficient (probably well enough for basic reading). What's curious about it is that even after the 100BTC went to Zhou's donation address, he was still insisting that the culprit isn't reading the forum/threads. That one aurumxchange ticket would not be enough to be "sure", but then Zhou seems to take a lot of things at face value without much apparent evidence (ie the culprit's real name, the culprit being a millionaire, etc.)

He probably doesn't know that. I have received another email just now and it seems that the hacker isn't aware of this thread at all:

https://www.aurumxchange.com/help/ticket.php?track=Y72-1AN-3Y4H&Refresh=32888

I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.


Another issue I've noticed is the seemingly conflicting statements about the LastPass password and account:

On ycombinator zhoutong claims he didn't set the LastPass password:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4240408
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Well I do agree with you that Bitcoinica was not 100% secure. This hack really has nothing to do with the app or its infrastructure.
- I didn't set the password. - I didn't have the power to change the password. - I shouldn't have access to the account.
The root cause is LastPass account being stolen.

My version of the story is, Tihan selected a password from one of the Mt. Gox API keys and we face-to-face agreed to use that. There was no plan to release the source code ever (and if I did it myself, I would at least remove the credentials). The password has never been changed for 5 months, despite the transfer of ownership.

I didn't expect to be able to log in to LastPass after Bitcoinica Consultancy took over. So I didn't try.


I still don't think zhoutong was responsible, and I hope he can explain the source of the LR funds for his "friend" (said to be $100k in one place and quoted as "unlimited" in another).

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July 27, 2012, 07:32:55 AM

Come on, people.

Hasn't anyone seen "Fight Club" or "The Usual Suspects" ?

Zhou Tong is Chen Jianhai.
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July 27, 2012, 07:44:36 AM

Come on, people.

Hasn't anyone seen "Fight Club" or "The Usual Suspects" ?

Zhou Tong is Chen Jianhai.

Check out my last post on the other thread. I'm going to bed.

Night, all.

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July 27, 2012, 08:29:02 AM

A contradiction i didn't saw anywhere ( or just missed ) is the 100btc back from the theft to zhou "philanthropist refunding" account.
I noticed this too.
Zhou said that Chen sold Bitcoins. If this happened before 2012-07-14 03:23:37 (when the 100BTC were transferred into the donation wallet), there's no contradiction, rather the unknown donator is another potential witness or co-consiprator, and can potentially provide more information. Maybe it belongs to f1ex.com, a mixing service or one of their customers.
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July 27, 2012, 09:20:30 AM

Hack failed!

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July 27, 2012, 11:20:16 AM

The only evidence in my email account was a credit card fraud case of only a few hundred dollars, which isn't very significant compared to the Bitcoinica hack.

Explain how you do credit card fraud using an email address??
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July 27, 2012, 04:04:18 PM

The only evidence in my email account was a credit card fraud case of only a few hundred dollars, which isn't very significant compared to the Bitcoinica hack.

Explain how you do credit card fraud using an email address??

This is something I would invest it. I wish I knew somebody who could hack together a website in a couple hours so that we can get other investors on board. I'm getting the domain name now: CarteBlanchica (dot com).
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