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July 30, 2012, 12:50:07 AM
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July 30, 2012, 12:51:43 AM
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Zhou,  
Since the Intersango team is actively blocking the recovery process,  can we convince you to take care of the claims process as you originally offered?

Hey fox, can you watch these chickens for me? Thanks!

This as I see it is part of the problem.   People just want their money back, and it seems at this point really don't care about "justice" or whatever.    Memorydealers have a lot of money on the line here so I can understand why they don't want to rock the boat and will just swallow whatever story means they get their cash back the soonest.

It's a shame, but I can't really blame them.    I just hope that when phantom Chen pays everyone back (only partly it seems, what a stingey thieving millionaire he is), people will then actually start caring about the main issue here, which is someone stole hundreds of thousands of dollars and shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

Someone get the police involved already, sheesh Roll Eyes


Will you cut it out? Some people have lost money here. We can deal with the "whodidit" thing later. This isn't helping anything.

Perfect timing Dree.

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July 30, 2012, 12:54:21 AM
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Zhou,  
Since the Intersango team is actively blocking the recovery process,  can we convince you to take care of the claims process as you originally offered?

Hey fox, can you watch these chickens for me? Thanks!

This as I see it is part of the problem.   People just want their money back, and it seems at this point really don't care about "justice" or whatever.    Memorydealers have a lot of money on the line here so I can understand why they don't want to rock the boat and will just swallow whatever story means they get their cash back the soonest.

It's a shame, but I can't really blame them.    I just hope that when phantom Chen pays everyone back (only partly it seems, what a stingey thieving millionaire he is), people will then actually start caring about the main issue here, which is someone stole hundreds of thousands of dollars and shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

Someone get the police involved already, sheesh Roll Eyes

Justice is getting the money back, and extra at this point.

When police and courts get involved even getting a proper judgement isn't likely and then collecting is far from automatic anyway, and that's when dealing in currency invented and sponsored by the government.

And from a future heist protection standpoint if the people who keep the money can use it to hide themselves and the people who return it end up in jail you can guess how it's usually going to go down.

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July 30, 2012, 12:59:08 AM
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Justice is getting the money back, and extra at this point.


I respectfully disagree.  Not exactly sending the right message is it.    "Hey hackers, these jokers at the bitcointalk forum are pushovers!  Hack the shit out them (several times), but as long as you concoct some barely feasible story and hand back a portion of what you took, you get to keep the rest with no consequences!"

Yeah, awesome.

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July 30, 2012, 01:00:40 AM
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The main outcome here is for everyone to get their money back. Finger pointing can come afterwards.

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July 30, 2012, 01:03:13 AM
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The main outcome here is for everyone to get their money back. Finger pointing can come afterwards.

We'll see.  Hopefully you're right.

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July 30, 2012, 01:04:15 AM
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Hopefully this latest theft will have reached a high enough level for some painfully expensive education.

If not, I look forward to reading the details of the next massive security breach/theft/loss of wallet file!

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July 30, 2012, 01:05:46 AM
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Hopefully this latest theft will have reached a high enough level for some painfully expensive education.

If not, I look forward to reading the details of the next massive security breach/theft/loss of wallet file!

Agreed.  This is a very complacent community so far.   I'd like to see that change (and it'll need to if we ever want to take this currency anywhere outside of here).

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July 30, 2012, 01:12:55 AM
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I want my bitcoin back and also want compensation for taking more than 60 Days to get it back...

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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July 30, 2012, 01:14:55 AM
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I want my bitcoin back and also want compensation for taking more than 60 Days to get it back...

Yes, well, good luck with that.   Sounds like they're just handing over this new cash to the Bitcoinica guys who haven't exactly had a great track record of handing funds back so far.   No reason to think that's about to change suddenly.   It's just more money for them to accidentally flush down the toilet.

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July 30, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
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Will you cut it out?
No I will not, as is my right.
Some people have lost money here.
Yes and you are not the only one or an arbiter of what action should be taken.
We can deal with the "whodidit" thing later.
Getting full compensation requires the persual and capture of the theif. These theives must be chased down and battered so that others know not to copy them.
This isn't helping anything.
I reject this assertion and refer you to the above.

I want my questions answered by Zhou, despite having to repeat them.

I also want these questions answered:
The funds were sent to the Bitcoin address as requested: http://blockchain.info/address/1FqqBZnemCrcCDbz57Nk7LHLCN42hCHXEV.

Thank you Zhou for your cooperation.

I was asked by some of the creditors and interest holders in Bitcoinica, LP to broker this transaction. Steps are being taken to safely transfer the funds to Bitcoinica, LP so they may be distributed in a fair and expeditious manner to claimants.

Thank you,
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1. Does this 15k not represent stolen goods?
2. If so, what gives you the legal right to receive and possess them with an intent to further pass them on?
3. If this 15k does not represent stolen goods (and why?), is this to be considered a payment from Zhou to Bitcoinica?
4. If so, what are the terms of payment and for what is it in exchange?

Its healthy to see some legal entity involved, but we need to know your exact involvement, purpose, terms and authority on which you are operating. Please could you also provide your registered offices and contact details.


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July 30, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
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Some people have lost money here.
Yes and you are not the only one or an arbiter of what action should be taken.
Never did I claim that I was. If you are here to ask questions, that is completely reasonable. But please, do not be blunt enough to refuse changing your standpoint.

I would like to ask you: does there exist an answer to those questions that will actually change your mind? If there isn't, why do you ask them?
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July 30, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
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Is the owners of bitcoinica and everyone involved made public, im sure if the police are not involved people would like know where they live...

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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July 30, 2012, 02:05:19 AM
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I believe so. He handled this matter very professionally and I'm going to continue recovering the fiat money from the hackers.

Zhou,  
Since the Intersango team is actively blocking the recovery process,  can we convince you to take care of the claims process as you originally offered?

You can calculate everything,  and submit the information to Tihan / Patrick Murck for verification and actual payout.

I can do that, provided anyone from Bitcoinica can send me the data (claims platform isn't available any more) and also the written authorization. With the authorization the fund holding parties can get the frozen funds from Mt. Gox as well.

Also I suggest you to arrange this with Patrick Murck because handling claims may have serious legal implications.

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July 30, 2012, 02:17:14 AM
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Justice is getting the money back, and extra at this point.


I respectfully disagree.  Not exactly sending the right message is it.    "Hey hackers, these jokers at the bitcointalk forum are pushovers!  Hack the shit out them (several times), but as long as you concoct some barely feasible story and hand back a portion of what you took, you get to keep the rest with no consequences!"

Yeah, awesome.

Exactly. Mybitcoin should've been the first and the last. I had no money in Bitcoinica (and I consider everyone who had to be naïve) but I strongly want Bitcoin to succeed. Thus, my motivation is in making sure scammers stop their bullying of my playground.

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July 30, 2012, 02:54:59 AM
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Justice is getting the money back, and extra at this point.


I respectfully disagree.  Not exactly sending the right message is it.    "Hey hackers, these jokers at the bitcointalk forum are pushovers!  Hack the shit out them (several times), but as long as you concoct some barely feasible story and hand back a portion of what you took, you get to keep the rest with no consequences!"

Yeah, awesome.

Exactly. Mybitcoin should've been the first and the last. I had no money in Bitcoinica (and I consider everyone who had to be naïve) but I strongly want Bitcoin to succeed. Thus, my motivation is in making sure scammers stop their bullying of my playground.



This tells a lot about your attitude. I hope it is a hindsight and you didn't assume Bitcoinica to be a scammer's product when it was launched.

I'm sure Bitcoinica itself has helped the community to grow (by providing a way to hedge and facilitate trading through the interest system), otherwise I wouldn't have been involved in the first place.

The community should encourage the creation of similar products with better security in place (especially crypto-based security, like segregated accounts).

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July 30, 2012, 02:57:54 AM
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Sorry, my interest in this whole bitcoinica shitstorm waned a few weeks ago.  Will somebody tl;dr what's been going on lately for me?  Or even more to the point, just answer whether the likelihood of me getting my bitcoins back has gone up or down given the events of the past week.
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July 30, 2012, 02:59:15 AM
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Justice is getting the money back, and extra at this point.


I respectfully disagree.  Not exactly sending the right message is it.    "Hey hackers, these jokers at the bitcointalk forum are pushovers!  Hack the shit out them (several times), but as long as you concoct some barely feasible story and hand back a portion of what you took, you get to keep the rest with no consequences!"

Yeah, awesome.

Exactly. Mybitcoin should've been the first and the last. I had no money in Bitcoinica (and I consider everyone who had to be naïve) but I strongly want Bitcoin to succeed. Thus, my motivation is in making sure scammers stop their bullying of my playground.



This tells a lot about your attitude. I hope it is a hindsight and you didn't assume Bitcoinica to be a scammer's product when it was launched.

I'm sure Bitcoinica itself has helped the community to grow (by providing a way to hedge and facilitate trading through the interest system), otherwise I wouldn't have been involved in the first place.

The community should encourage the creation of similar products with better security in place (especially crypto-based security, like segregated accounts).

Bitcoinica was great. The kid running it with a fragile ego wasn't great.
You sure showed those intersango guys that they weren't as good as you.
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July 30, 2012, 03:04:54 AM
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Sorry, my interest in this whole bitcoinica shitstorm waned a few weeks ago.  Will somebody tl;dr what's been going on lately for me?  Or even more to the point, just answer whether the likelihood of me getting my bitcoins back has gone up or down given the events of the past week.

The likelihood hasn't changed one iota. Just a bunch of fanciful stories from zhou tong.
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July 30, 2012, 03:28:00 AM
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Sorry, my interest in this whole bitcoinica shitstorm waned a few weeks ago.  Will somebody tl;dr what's been going on lately for me?  Or even more to the point, just answer whether the likelihood of me getting my bitcoins back has gone up or down given the events of the past week.

ZhouTong was the hacker who stole all the coins.  All the evidence pointed to him, so he could do nothing but make up an imaginary "friend" who he says framed him, but of course he won't provide ANY evidence of this person.  Cheesy  Now the community wants to play nice with him to get the money back, THEN we are going to see he rots in jail.  Some people on this forum believe him, oddly, but he probably won't convince the police of an invisible person when they come a knocking.  So Zhou posts like he is innocent, and we post like we believe him.  Smiley
 

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