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July 29, 2012, 03:44:45 PM
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I'll definitely co-operate with any police investigation by providing such information. However releasing the information in public isn't a good choice.

Even though as a community we can determine Chen Jianhai to be the hacker, he hasn't been proven guilty legally yet. That will only happen when he faces a criminal charge.

Also consider the irrationality of some community members I should refrain from posting anything that can potentially induce violence and personal attacks. It won't be good for Bitcoin's image and legal status (if you concern about it at all). I'll have to take into account my personal security as well.

I have his real information only because we were working on a legitimate business. He was introduced to me by a friend who works in a Shenzhen-based information security company (which does penetration tests for large corporations and government agencies). I have never considered Chen Jianhai as a "friend".


So who's this new friend, does he have a name and a phone number?

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Sorry, Zhou, but from the looks a bit like this ..  Cheesy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBze55fIgAw

edit: I'm afraid that the ending (the end of the video) has the connotation (hidden meaning)  Roll Eyes

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July 29, 2012, 04:11:12 PM
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Really seems more credible that someone tries to charge 40k dollars without being traced, also using an email account prior use, to make matters worse this email is directly linked to your account mtgox and with itself. Am I the only one who considers it absurd? In addition already having 40k bitcoins in his hand risk free.

Zhou has done more to recover our funds that Bitcoinica, I still have not seen a cent of them, have not made ​​any progress in the investigation of first hack and now are guided by a track, far from a track, is a rivulet of shit direct at the foot of zhou

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July 29, 2012, 04:17:21 PM
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Really seems more credible that someone tries to charge 40k dollars without being traced, also using an email account prior use, to make matters worse this email is directly linked to your account mtgox and with itself. Am I the only one who considers it absurd? In addition already having 40k bitcoins in his hand risk free.

Zhou has done more to recover our funds that Bitcoinica, I still have not seen a cent of them, have not made ​​any progress in the investigation of first hack and now are guided by a track, far from a track, is a rivulet of shit direct at the foot of zhou
Exactly. The thief must have been someone who was not interested in Bitcoin. Zhou is likely not that person.
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July 29, 2012, 04:25:05 PM
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Exactly. The thief must have been someone who was not interested in Bitcoin. Zhou is likely not that person.

Fall of bitcoinica won't be the fall of bitcoin. The market didn't even pay attention.



If Zhou is innocent the court will clear him.
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July 29, 2012, 04:27:17 PM
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any progress in the investigation of first hack and

I agree, that's interesting. We should be getting some information from the investigations following the Linode and Rackspace-"hacks" now, shouldn't we?

(Unless, of course, if the service in question isn't what it claims to be. Then it would be much more important to do everything possible to keep the lid on)

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July 29, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
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And I also told him that the accidentally exposed a bank account number. (He claimed that it was a debit card purchased from black market.)
I have his real information only because we were working on a legitimate business. He was introduced to me by a friend who works in a Shenzhen-based information security company (which does penetration tests for large corporations and government agencies). I have never considered Chen Jianhai as a "friend".

Why would Chen Jianhai use your throw-away stevejobs807 gmail account for miscellaneous credit card fraud, when he could just as easily have used one of his own? I understand why he would use it for laundering the bitcoinica mtgox funds. But there's no sense to him using it months prior for miscellaneous fraudulent freight-forwarding. (on this matter, equally perplexing is why would zhoutong use his own stevejobs807 gmail, connected by prior deposits to his real mtgox account? to his favor, if zhou were the thief that would be really dumb on his part, when he could easily use any new throw-away email...)

The backstory is very cloudy. For what "legitimate business" was Chen Jianhai advising, and what was Chen's webshop?

Also, what was the source of LR funds belonging to Zhou's Singapore friend? If it is legitimate and if it belongs to said friend, how can you offer it to offset the USD payment by having AurumXchange release it to Patrick Murck?


Truth 1: My $40K LR transaction is legitimate at AurumXchange, associated with a friend in Singapore.
It's important to note that the pending $40,000 transaction at AurumXchange is my genuine transaction, so it can be used to offset the USD payment.

It can be used, or cannot?

It's up to Bitcoinica to appoint a bank account and also a Bitcoin address so that Chen Jianhai (or possibly I) can return the funds. AurumXchange can either return the $40,000 to me, or send the funds to Bitcoinica's nominated account (in which case another $100,000 will be sent to Bitcoinica from Chen Jianhai or me).

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July 29, 2012, 04:29:43 PM
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I'll definitely co-operate with any police investigation by providing such information. However releasing the information in public isn't a good choice.

Even though as a community we can determine Chen Jianhai to be the hacker, he hasn't been proven guilty legally yet. That will only happen when he faces a criminal charge.

Also consider the irrationality of some community members I should refrain from posting anything that can potentially induce violence and personal attacks. It won't be good for Bitcoin's image and legal status (if you concern about it at all). I'll have to take into account my personal security as well.

I have his real information only because we were working on a legitimate business. He was introduced to me by a friend who works in a Shenzhen-based information security company (which does penetration tests for large corporations and government agencies). I have never considered Chen Jianhai as a "friend".


So who's this new friend, does he have a name and a phone number?

edit: typo
Sorry, Zhou, but from the looks a bit like this ..  Cheesy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBze55fIgAw

edit: I'm afraid that the ending (the end of the video) has the connotation (hidden meaning)  Roll Eyes

Why is that I always have to be the one to provide a better video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNAi2jB490 (BTW, yours was very good)
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July 29, 2012, 04:30:23 PM
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Exactly. The thief must have been someone who was not interested in Bitcoin. Zhou is likely not that person.

Fall of bitcoinica won't the fall of bitcoin. The market didn't even pay attention.



If Zhou is innocent the court will clear him.
You don't understand. Why else would the thief sell easy-to-launder BTC? Evidently, they are of little value to him. We know that Zhou Tong considers BTC valuable, and wouldn't be stupid enough to sell the ones he stole. Therefore, Zhou did not steal them.

This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.
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July 29, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
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You don't understand. Why else would the thief sell easy-to-launder BTC? Evidently, they are of little value to him. We know that Zhou Tong considers BTC valuable, and wouldn't be stupid enough to sell the ones he stole. Therefore, Zhou did not steal them.

This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

Um as far I as know Zhou declared that he leaves the bitcoin world... Which makes the above statement irrelevant.


Here his announcement, when he declares "I'll try to keep my gold bitcoin". You see no where he says he will keep bitcoins, more like I will only keep the gold one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81581.0
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July 29, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
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Since you've made your claim public on numerous times about owed 16000 and then 17000 BTC, would you be kind enough to provide proof that you've actually sent said amount to Bitcoinica in a form or blockchain's transaction id or a receiving bitcoin address?   Then someone who is or was involved at Bitcoinca who would have had access to wallet which received these funds could confirm it.
As it stands now your claim looks sketchy at best without any evidence.

1) CoinExchanger is Maria, but was already banned by the staff here once for spamming/scamming so he's just using Maria instead.

2) I've already confirmed that he holds no balance at Bitcoinica.

3) He has never provided any evidence otherwise.


I hope you have -another- sockpuppet Leo, because Maria's on her way out too.



Yes, many years ago, Leo and I decided to become one and he same. We complement each other in a way your small brain can not comprehend.

As some of you may know, we own a private exchange that handles liberty reserve and bitcoin transactions. We also have similar platforms that run with Perfect Money and Pecunix in other languages. In the physical world, we own many different businesses that range from banana boat rentals, to restaurants, to real estate property.

The reason why we are into cryptocurrencies is strictly because anonymity and the bitcoinica claims process wanted us to breach precisely that.

Our deposits into bitcoinica came in many ways and forms all from our client base, so there is no way we can check the blockchain for transactions.

Today, we still run and transfer thousands daily using Mt. Gox, Bitinstant, AurumXchange, CryptoXchange, and Campbx.. The lost of bitcoinica is only a thread of our financial spiderweb. Unfortunately it was one of my favorites until the events happened.

There you have it guys.

@Matthew I have more Skype conversations of you BEGGING for money for your BS projects. Good luck bum!

Maria.

If you can't support your claim with evidence of such transactions ever existed, how are you expecting Bitcoinica to honor or at the very least acknowledge what you claim is real?

You claim you funded Bitcoinica from many different sources, ok, at the very least you must have had Bitcoinica's bitcoin address where funds were sent, let's see it (it's none of my business, but since you've made this whole thing loudly public with trowing threats instead of taking official Bitcoinica's path to make your claim, the public deserves to see if the claim is indeed to be somewhat valid by verifying it with blockchain and then possibly being confirmed by someone involved with Bitcoinica who have had or has access to provided bitcoin address)
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July 29, 2012, 04:36:30 PM
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You don't understand. Why else would the thief sell easy-to-launder BTC? Evidently, they are of little value to him. We know that Zhou Tong considers BTC valuable, and wouldn't be stupid enough to sell the ones he stole. Therefore, Zhou did not steal them.

This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

Um as far I as know Zhou declared that he leaves the bitcoin world... Which makes the above statement irrelevant.


Here his announcement, when he declares "I'll try to keep my gold bitcoin". You see no where he says he will keep bitcoins, more like I will only keep the gold one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81581.0
He has stated multiple times that he has savings in BTC. This implies he still considers them valuable. So, why would he sell them? He's not stupid enough to blow his cover that way if he was the thief.
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July 29, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
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Am I the only one who considers it absurd?
No. I also think that someone else was involved. It's all a big lie, (including the charges against Zhou). It is unclear what the purpose of the conspirators. Send an investigation on the wrong track? Get rid of those who may know too much? Anything else?

 I think they did not think that will go that far. Now decided to return back the clock? Operation "save bitkoin" succeed, but it became difficult to return the money (greed? Disagreement in the team? Betrayal member? What else?) I think, is guilty of a very respected member, and the whole team wants to hide it .. .just the assumption  Undecided...

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July 29, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
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He has stated multiple times that he has savings in BTC. This implies he still considers them valuable. So, why would he sell them? He's not stupid enough to blow his cover that way if he was the thief.

You mean the gold coin, yea its about $1500 in gold :-) We can't really check if he sold or not the bitcoins, so somewhat a moot point. He made a lot of mistakes already, thief or not he's already implicated up to his ears in this crime.
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July 29, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
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There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

But there is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.msg1055632#msg1055632

Why was Zhou, through his own QQ-account, selling LR from the LR-account Zhou said "the hacker" created?

Occam's razor.
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July 29, 2012, 04:42:21 PM
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Am I the only one who considers it absurd?
No. I also think that someone else was involved. It's all a big lie, (including the charges against Zhou). It is unclear what the purpose of the conspirators. Send an investigation on the wrong track? Get rid of those who may know too much? Anything else?

 I think they did not think that will go that far. Now decided to return back the clock? Operation "save bitkoin" succeed, but it became difficult to return the money (greed? Disagreement in the team? Betrayal member? What else?) I think, is guilty of a very respected member, and the whole team wants to hide it .. .just the assumption  Undecided...
Notice how aurumxchange froze the funds. Where do these funds go? If aurumxchange doesn't turn them in, who makes a profit?
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July 29, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
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You don't understand. Why else would the thief sell easy-to-launder BTC? Evidently, they are of little value to him. We know that Zhou Tong considers BTC valuable, and wouldn't be stupid enough to sell the ones he stole. Therefore, Zhou did not steal them.

This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

Um as far I as know Zhou declared that he leaves the bitcoin world... Which makes the above statement irrelevant.


Here his announcement, when he declares "I'll try to keep my gold bitcoin". You see no where he says he will keep bitcoins, more like I will only keep the gold one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81581.0

nameterrific.com accept bitcoins ...

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July 29, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
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nameterrific.com accept bitcoins ...

Ok, so he contradicts himself constantly... One more fact.
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July 29, 2012, 05:01:17 PM
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This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

When the breach of LastPass and bitcoinica's mtgox account was announced, I found it equally plausible that it was a random thief rather than an insider (ie one of Patrick/steve_bobs, zhoutong/stevejobs, etc.). It's totally possible that someone would have verified that info@bitcoinica.com is a LastPass account (this can be verified since LastPass leaks account registration status through the Forgot Password option), and then tried the MtGox API key after the source code leak.

But anyone could have done that, literally anyone (seriously, I kicked myself for having not tried it myself). But the particular person who did exploit this, also happened to be one of a very few people who also knew the password to zhoutong's stevejobs807@gmail.com. Of all the numerously possible potential thiefs who had equal opportunity to log-in to LastPass, the breach was in fact highly likely, all the info was there. And of all those possibilities, what is likelihood that the one person who first took advantage also knew zhoutong's private throw-away gmail password, so that they could frame him? The probability is highly suspicious.

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July 29, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
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Why use Zhou account? It's simple: (can I place it?  Cheesy ) just where the threshold was increased withdrawal. (verified account, by the way, why the mail "for the experiments of vulnerability" is set to account Gok, who has a great opportunity to withdraw a lot of money?)

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July 29, 2012, 05:28:38 PM
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Why use Zhou account? It's simple: (can I place it?  Cheesy ) just where the threshold was increased withdrawal. (verified account, by the way, why the mail "for the experiments of vulnerability" is set to account Gok, who has a great opportunity to withdraw a lot of money?)

The stevejobs807@gmail.com mtgox account was only "verified" as in "click this link to confirm your e-mail address", not an MtGox identity-verified account. Zhou has a different mtgox account for his real identity, plus the bitcoinica mtgox account, at least. the stevejobs gmail was only used at mtgox a long time ago, this time it was used at AurumXchange.

It was Chris Heaslip's mtgox account which was used to buy more bitcoin with some of the $40k USD mtgox codes, and then withdraw the bitcoin.

It's not a verified account. Only the email is verified.
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