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Author Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack  (Read 124404 times)
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July 31, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
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Really? Because I'm a creditor and I don't ever recall authorizing that.
I don't see you on the Bitcoinica Fund Recovery Initiative claim list, nor do I recall you contacting me. I posted several times in different places that people should contact me if they want to be included in the legal action:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93074.msg1050392#msg1050392
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93109.0

Since we have no access to Bitcoinica data, we do not know how to contact individual creditors.

Based on my understanding of the outstanding debt, the sum of the claims on our list represent the majority of the claims.
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July 31, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
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So he's not interested in Bitcoin's success, eh? Well, that explains blowing his cover by selling his coins the very next day.

Bullshit.

And that's your evidence? BULLSHIT.

What's yours? Oh, wait, also bullshit.

Both explanations are terrible. I believe mine to be better.

Really? Are you being on purpose silly?

Here is my evidence.

Zhou's account was used to steal money.
Zhou's knowledge of bitcoinica was used.
Zhou knew the lastpass password.
Zhou's was money laundering through aurumxchange (transferring money for a friend IS money laundering)
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July 31, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
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Really? Because I'm a creditor and I don't ever recall authorizing that.

Since we have no access to Bitcoinica data, we do not know how to contact individual creditors.
Can't you guys get a subpoena going?

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July 31, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
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Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2



someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner
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July 31, 2012, 02:33:10 PM
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Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2



someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner
Key word: OR.
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July 31, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
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Can't you guys get a subpoena going?
I do not exclude the possibility that we might have access to the data at a later stage (obtained, for example, as you suggest), but for the moment, as far as I know, we do not have it.
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July 31, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
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Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2



someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner
Key word: OR.

or 1  (ôr; r when unstressed)
a. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.

Back to school?
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July 31, 2012, 02:37:16 PM
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Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2



someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner
Key word: OR.

or 1  (ôr; r when unstressed)
a. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.

Back to school?
Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.
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July 31, 2012, 02:39:38 PM
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Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

Better than you.

Why are you even replying if you have no clue?
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July 31, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
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Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.

Bingo. EQUAL.

Therefore Chen is Zhou's friend/buddy/business partner/associate.
 
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July 31, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

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July 31, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

I agree. Zhou refuses to file a police report.
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July 31, 2012, 02:50:06 PM
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Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.

Bingo. EQUAL.

Therefore Chen is Zhou's friend/buddy/business partner/associate.
 
No. An OR statement does not imply that it is all at once. That is an AND statement.

In fact, in speech and writing, an OR statement is also often exclusive; i.e., it implies that it is not two or more of the terms at once. This isn't the case here, but your conclusion is still fallacious.
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July 31, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

I agree. Zhou refuses to file a police report.
I don't blame him. The Chinese police suck.

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July 31, 2012, 03:04:34 PM
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No. An OR statement does not imply that it is all at once. That is an AND statement.

In fact, in speech and writing, an OR statement is also often exclusive; i.e., it implies that it is not two or more of the terms at once. This isn't the case here, but your conclusion is still fallacious.

In fact you're clueless. I can use ANY of the following: friend, associate, business partner.
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July 31, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
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No. An OR statement does not imply that it is all at once. That is an AND statement.

In fact, in speech and writing, an OR statement is also often exclusive; i.e., it implies that it is not two or more of the terms at once. This isn't the case here, but your conclusion is still fallacious.

In fact you're clueless. I can use ANY of the following: friend, associate, business partner.
What is your native language?

If I define a wubble to be a bubble or a flubble, I cannot assume that a wubble is a bubble and a flubble. I also cannot assume that a wubble is a bubble, nor can I assume that a wubble is a flubble. This is the magic of OR.

You cannot just simply use ANY of the options you listed; there is uncertainly as to which one it is. It is therefore impossible to prove that "friend" is correct from the given definition.
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July 31, 2012, 03:23:43 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
While I agree, one could also state
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mlawrence = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or even
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mlawrence = phantomcircit.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or the most probable one
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mlawrence = Chen.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
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July 31, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
While I agree, one could also state
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mlawrence = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or even
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mlawrence = phantomcircit.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or the most probable one
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mlawrence = Chen.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.


Except none of their accounts were used. Zhou's account was used.
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July 31, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
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No. An OR statement does not imply that it is all at once. That is an AND statement.

In fact, in speech and writing, an OR statement is also often exclusive; i.e., it implies that it is not two or more of the terms at once. This isn't the case here, but your conclusion is still fallacious.

In fact you're clueless. I can use ANY of the following: friend, associate, business partner.
What is your native language?

If I define a wubble to be a bubble or a flubble, I cannot assume that a wubble is a bubble and a flubble. I also cannot assume that a wubble is a bubble, nor can I assume that a wubble is a flubble. This is the magic of OR.

You cannot just simply use ANY of the options you listed; there is uncertainly as to which one it is. It is therefore impossible to prove that "friend" is correct from the given definition.

What is your native language?

Your logic is keep failing you. If there is uncertainty then I can use any, especially if I believe that it was an imaginary friend.
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July 31, 2012, 03:32:40 PM
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Chen = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
While I agree, one could also state
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mlawrence = Zhou.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or even
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mlawrence = phantomcircit.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
or the most probable one
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mlawrence = Chen.  There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.


Except none of their accounts were used. Zhou's account was used.

I exist on this forum - I have months of posts and a different writing style than Ryan Tong Zhou.

And there is no evidence linking mlawrence to the theft of half a million dollars either.   Wink

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